Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #110 ~ Showdown in Stars Hollow - Page 9

victorialeigh · 12-01-2006, 09:47 PM

They are giving Rory a sl, she is just not getting the added relationship sl. The main reason for that is that Christopher is too close in comparison to Logan. They cannot have Lorelai and Rory with the same kind of guy in their perspective sl's, Logan and Christopher went to and got kicked out of the same schools, they were both rich, carefree, party guys. So because of Christopher, Rory only gets half a sl. Rory had lots of sl when Luke was there and Christopher wasn't. Remove Christopher and I bet suddenly Logan will reappear in the sl for Rory.
The ratings started to drop last year when it was made evidently clear that L/L would be broken up again, April and the the knowledge that DS was resigned to an A sl, people got fed up. It doesn't take a Mensa candidate to figure out what the LLD and the return of DS really meant.

jillianries · 12-01-2006, 09:50 PM

Captain, There were two scenes at FND. The first with Wolfgirl on the couch and the second at the table where Rory took great delight as her mother was slowly twisting in the wind.

carolav · 12-01-2006, 09:50 PM

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I'll be more cautious next time. I promise.

that comment wasn't about you

... I don't remember you saying something disrespectful to that person posting here. (I can't remember the name)

lancer1993 · 12-01-2006, 09:56 PM

Thanks for clearing that up Sara

I hope Luke gets some rights after all the crap he and us have been put through, good thing Lorelai will be there to comfort him in the end

Captain Hawkeye · 12-01-2006, 09:59 PM

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Captain, There were two scenes at FND. The first with Wolfgirl on the couch and the second at the table where Rory took great delight as her mother was slowly twisting in the wind.

It all took place on one set--no action took place at a table. LC were on one couch, Emily & Rory on the other--with the answering machine on the end table next to the couch.

If it had taken place at the dining room table the answering machine would not have been available

rosefurcoat · 12-01-2006, 10:00 PM

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I forgot about FND (helps to have Craig's transcripts) but FND was ONE scene total. No one left their chairs/couches. So Rory had 1 extra scene, giving her 6

FND was two scenes. In the living room. Then at the table after the credits/commercial.

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2) Anna asks Luke if they can talk (diner)
3) Anna tells Luke she's taking April to NM (the apt)

I count this as one continuous scene. Your mileage varies obviously.
Same with these:

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4) April & Luke talk at the counter (diner)
6) April & Luke talk out side ("my mother is ruining my life") (out doors)

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5) Luke suggests alternatives to Anna
7) TJ calls Luke

Nice how you put them out of order BTW.

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And that doesn't count Luke looking out the door at LC as a seperate 10th scene.

This was part of the TJ in the diner scene.

If you separate all of those parts of the scenes, then you should do it with Rory as well. For example the scene with Paris and then on the phone with Lorelai would count as two the way you're counting things.

lancer1993 · 12-01-2006, 10:01 PM

capt' I'm working on the TS as we speak, and as always I should have it up Sunday night at the latest, I'll post here when it's up.

But do we really need to list them by scene on time on screen when what matters more is their SL. SP shot it out of the park in the minute or so of the last scene, so it doesn't have to be long to be good.

...Yes, I know dirty!

lemon tart · 12-01-2006, 10:04 PM

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They are giving Rory a sl, she is just not getting the added relationship sl. The main reason for that is that Christopher is too close in comparison to Logan. They cannot have Lorelai and Rory with the same kind of guy in their perspective sl's, Logan and Christopher went to and got kicked out of the same schools, they were both rich, carefree, party guys. So because of Christopher, Rory only gets half a sl. Rory had lots of sl when Luke was there and Christopher wasn't. Remove Christopher and I bet suddenly Logan will reappear in the sl for Rory.
The ratings started to drop last year when it was made evidently clear that L/L would be broken up again, April and the the knowledge that DS was resigned to an A sl, people got fed up. It doesn't take a Mensa candidate to figure out what the LLD and the return of DS really meant.

Where? Where are her scenes with Richard? The only episode she's been prominantly featured in are the two when Logan's been in town. The one with the Parisian fling the main other storyline was Luke, hers was the tertiary one. The one with her parents at Yale, she's barely in. There's LOTS of Luke in that episode.

It's not just Logan. In fact it's really not about Logan at all. The contemplating doing something other than journalism storyline, took about 5 seconds. We haven't seen her once with Richard while she's taking a class with him. She's talked about grad school briefly, but that's gone nowhere either. They've touched on several things, all of which have gone absolutely nowhere. Luke/April is a massive ongoing arc for the season. Rory, doesn't have an arc thus far of any sort. Chris is not the problem. His scenes are with Lorelai primairily. Should they reduce her screen time as well and add Anna scenes too? The proportioning of storylines is Lorelai's world, L/L/C/A/A as 3/4 of the show and everyone else is squeezed into the rest of it, Rory included. We also haven't seen Rory learning about Lane now having twins. That would also be nice to see.

What's cutting into Rory having much screen time is Luke and his getting a storyline equal to Lorelai's which is just out of kilter for the history of this particular show. He's not a Gilmore. He's not even female.

And most people are not spoiled like all of us are. They didn't likely know about DS's contract. The shift away from the girls is what accompnied the ratings drop. L/A are part of that, for sure.

Captain Hawkeye · 12-01-2006, 10:15 PM

If they are shot on different sets, they are different scenes. That's by definition.

And Luke looking out required a shot of LC OUTSIDE the diner. I believe that that too qualifies as a different scene.

If you count Luke & Anna being on two different sets and Luke & April being on two different sets (supposedly on different days I believe, but am waiting on the TS) as 1 scene each, should Rory only get 1 party scene credit?

ETA: The first scene after credits was Lorlai knitting and asking Chris for breakfast in the CS.

Lancer, yes SP nailed it. But the point is that for at least the 2nd time in 9 eps (6.06, 6.09) he's been given BY ANY DEFINITION a BIGGER (dirty) and BETTER SL than a co-lead. And in 7.02 & 7.04 he may very well have, too

ETA 2: Rory talking w/Paris about the party and talking on the phone occur on the same set adjacent to each other

My list of Rory scenes
1) Moves in w/Paris, Doyle & Logan. scene ends with Doyle bringing in pencil
2) Rory talking w/Paris about the party/Rory talking w/Lorelai on phone
3) Rory delivers box to L & O's room, see Marty, talks about Uggs with L & O
4) Rory talks to Marty at the bar at the party
5) Rory talks to Marty on the couch at the party
6) The teaser: FND

When Craig gets the TS up we can argue more--I think that the Luke/April scenes are not contiguous for example, but can't be sure until TS is up

victorialeigh · 12-01-2006, 10:21 PM

Unfortunately for Rory it seems that Marty is going to be instrumental in the one part of her sl, I imagine she will lose her new friends directly or indirectly because of the deception. I don't know why she has moved back with Paris and Doyle, except maybe to give Paris more air time. I would have liked it better if she were to get her own place. I'd like to see her get a job of some kind but that would include introducing more characters, which would be troublesome for this group of writers. I know it's not about Logan but her sl will increase when he comes back into the picture just as they diminish Chistopher's sl.

rosefurcoat · 12-01-2006, 10:22 PM

Captain, I wasn't talking about how they were shot, but how they appeared in the episode. The party scenes were shown in between other scenes(knit-a-thon, etc.) and one happened possibly hours later than the other(Rory and Marty being drunk in the last one for example). You're obviously counting things in a different way than I am. And forgetting whole scenes like the dinner table one.

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If you count Luke & Anna being on two different sets and Luke & April being on two different sets (supposedly on different days I believe, but am waiting on the TS)

I don't understand, how would the TS tell you on what day these scenes were shot?

Captain Hawkeye · 12-01-2006, 10:31 PM

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I don't understand, how would the TS tell you on what day these scenes were shot?

I don't care when they were shot--but IIRC correctly Luke has 2 convos w/April, with other scenes inbetween, on different sets and occuring on different days within the ep

lancer1993 · 12-01-2006, 10:31 PM

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I don't understand, how would the TS tell you on what day these scenes were shot?

Well I'm not adding it in

rosefurcoat · 12-01-2006, 10:34 PM

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I don't care when they were shot--but IIRC correctly Luke has 2 convos w/April, with other scenes inbetween, on different sets and occuring on different days within the ep

No, April is in the diner upset and starts a (loud) rant, so Luke takes her outside. It's all one conversation.

LOL, Lancer. That would be a lot of work, since it's a single camera show.

lemon tart · 12-01-2006, 10:41 PM

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Unfortunately for Rory it seems that Marty is going to be instrumental in the one part of her sl, I imagine she will lose her new friends directly or indirectly because of the deception. I don't know why she has moved back with Paris and Doyle, except maybe to give Paris more air time. I would have liked it better if she were to get her own place. I'd like to see her get a job of some kind but that would include introducing more characters, which would be troublesome for this group of writers. I know it's not about Logan but her sl will increase when he comes back into the picture just as they diminish Chistopher's sl.

Are they going to diminish Lorelai? Is she going to be in all the Luke/April scenes? They have to take away more than Chris to be able to add Rory. Since ALL his scenes are with Lorelai, save 2. His storyline does not cut into Rory since all his scenes are with a title character. Almost none of Luke's are, however.