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Old 12-01-2006, 01:18 PM
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Thanks for the thread, blaab.

You know who should really complain about screen time? PA!
I actually think there IS an extra room in the CS - it's a padded room where they've locked away phobia ridden PA.
Seriously, he didn't even make it to his big sleep over at Chris' house, and he hasn't been seen since.
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Old 12-01-2006, 01:19 PM
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Luke is not of the same financial "class" as Chris, Logan, etc. Otherwise Emily would have liked him!

ETA: Because this show is, in large part, about social class differences, which are primarily determined by money. And who has it. And how much of it they have.
So something BIG or nice must happen in ep 7.13 then?

Maybe the spec about Luke saving Richards life might happen, this would kinda "help" Emily 'cause it might be a matter of life or death?

ETA - gjoni maybe Lauren got PA was whacked LOL

I mean the knit-a-thon would have been perfect for PA to walk through town with the happy couple, you know just to rub it in more when Luke saw them and thinking back to what he did to save him and what he said at the time.
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Old 12-01-2006, 01:22 PM
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You know who should really complain about screen time? PA!
I actually think there IS an extra room in the CS - it's a padded room where they've locked away phobia ridden PA.
Seriously, he didn't even make it to his big sleep over at Chris' house, and he hasn't been seen since.
Maybe they just don't want to deal with the hassle of using an animal. Kids and animals are always hard to work with b/c they're hard to control. Last year PA was a clear Rory-replacement and they used him for the story. This year he's pretty much just comedy. They'll bring him in once in a while but without a real purpose why deal with it?

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Because this show is, in large part, about social class differences, which are primarily determined by money. And who has it. And how much of it they have.
Sure but it's never been the detirmining factor in a character's likeabliltiy like you seem to be implying. I mean this for the general audience not any one character b/c clearly that's not true for both Emily and Lorelai (in opposite ways)
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Old 12-01-2006, 01:23 PM
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Luke is not of the same financial "class" as Chris, Logan, etc. Otherwise Emily would have liked him!
But you were talking about the way the show's being promoted. In which case Luke the working class guy is running rings around Logan heir to a multi-billion dollar empire. Logan has been in a single end of the episode promos and in none of the DCs. Unlike Luke.
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Maybe they just don't want to deal with the hassle of using an animal. Kids and animals are always hard to work with b/c they're hard to control. Last year PA was a clear Rory-replacement and they used him for the story. This year he's pretty much just comedy. They'll bring him in once in a while but without a real purpose why deal with it?



Sure but it's never been the detirmining factor in a character's likeabliltiy like you seem to be implying. I mean this for the general audience not any one character b/c clearly that's not true for both Emily and Lorelai (in opposite ways)
This year Chris is the replacement, so it's gone Rory for S1-4, then Luke, PA and now Chris!
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Old 12-01-2006, 01:27 PM
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Thanks Blaab



I am not pessimistic nor do I spec RL will be broken up (unless MC doesn't sign for an S8), but I look at data. We know these SL's will be in the 2nd Half

1) LC devolve
2) A Luke/April/Anna custody case with courtroom
3) Richard's health crisis
4) LZ giving birth/being parents

So there's not a ton of room for a RL SL But I hope your spec w/o proof beats my spec w/o proof.



Of course they will demonize Chris: just like they did Dean, Jess, Digger & Luke. (Although the Digger one was weak). Remember Sookie & Lorelai prattling on about being locked out of cars, blaming Luke for the LL break-up? (Sookie also seems to have as many points of view as Obi-Wan)




Focus on Chris? Until 7.09 he had ONE scene all year w/o Lorelai and/or Rory in it. (Luke sucker punches him—not even dialog). Now he has a "man date" as well. In 7.09 ALONE Luke had NINE scenes w/o Lorelai or Rory:

1) TJ talks to Luke about Liz's child birth
2) Anna asks Luke if they can talk
3) Anna tells Luke she's taking April to NM
4) April & Luke talk at the counter
5) Luke suggests alternatives to Anna
6) April & Luke talk out side ("my mother is ruining my life")
7) TJ calls Luke
8) Luke holds Doula as TJ rambles
9) Luke throws down with Anna

Chris is only piggybacking on Lorelai's screen time, Luke/Anna/April are the ones cutting into Rory's



And MORE important than Luke/April/Anna, but she's not. Why DSR?



That he only throws unnamed extras out of his diner, has only beaten up one car, and only needed ONE map to seek out the guy he was going to sucker punch?



Or she felt she could always extend his contract and didn't want to pay to tie him up for 3 months (Jan, Feb, Mar) w/o using him.



Of course, since Lorelai is still going to get her scenes—either as part of LL, or alone, or with Sookie/Michel—the only place to get the time for these scenes would be from Luke/April/Coach Bennett/Anna/Liz&TJ.

Ummm. . .lawyers? Maybe Rory could be the recorder—that would get her screen time



I hope you're right, but they're not building courthouse sets for Rory's SL, nor is it Rory's health crisis, or Rory having Zach's twins and becoming a new mother. Nor are we "cueing" a Rory epiphany.

Based on what we DO know, they're not leaving a ton of time available for a Rory SL until at least several eps AFTER the "turning point" in 7.13.



Why do you say that? KB & EH have been in 5 of the first 9 eps (7.03, 7.04, 7.05, 7.06, 7.09) and KB will be in 7.10. With Richard's health crisis coming up both are on pace to make their usual 15 & 13 eps, respectively.



Just a comparison from KPK:

Rory scenes: Moves in, talks with Paris about party, talks on phone with Lorelai, delivers box to L & O's apt/talks about Uggs, asks Marty for a drink/talks, scene on couch. Total: 5 scenes

Scenes with no Gilmore Girl involved: the 9 I list above, plus the "man date" scene Total=10

From GB

Rory scenes: Phone call with Lorelai about Parents' Weekend, Paris gloating/phone call with Lorelai after registration, LC in newsroom, lunch with LC & YDN staff, scene in YDN newsroom redoing paper/LC bring doughnuts. Total=5


Luke scenes: Diner scene with Kirk & Lulu/April forgets lunch, Meets Coach Bennett at pool, swimming lesson, threatens Kirk scene, April tells him not to call her 'Coach Bennet' scene, dinner with Coach, sees Kirk & Lulu, after dinner scene with April Total=8
Do you have all that info on a spreadsheet with exact minutes spent in each scene, along with word count? I bet Craig could put that on his website.
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Old 12-01-2006, 01:42 PM
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Maybe the spec about Luke saving Richards life might happen, this would kinda "help" Emily 'cause it might be a matter of life or death?
Oh yeah, Richard lies there dying and desperatly needs an organ transplant and - halleluja - Luke is the perfect donor and gives him a kidney, a quarter lung and some marrow. And, wowh, the next miracle: His blood type matches Paul Ankas as well, who - poor dog - has consumptiveness and that's why he hasn't been seen latley.

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Luke is not of the same financial "class" as Chris, Logan, etc. Otherwise Emily would have liked him!
The fact that Emily doesn't like Luke is not all about money, but about stuff like refusing to use a razor and a faible for flanell, a lack of manners, class and style as well. He's not a member of her world, no "old blood" and even if he had billions, this wouldn't change. And as he mostly acted like a dork in her presence, it was hard for her to see anything likeable.
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Old 12-01-2006, 01:47 PM
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But you were talking about the way the show's being promoted. In which case Luke the working class guy is running rings around Logan heir to a multi-billion dollar empire. Logan has been in a single end of the episode promos and in none of the DCs. Unlike Luke.
Well, actually I was talking about the two things seperately.

I was joking around at the asinine idea that Luke's little story with April had dragged down the ratings.

The show has promoted Lorelai's journey/love affair/relationship/marriage with Chris. We all know that; it's harder for some to admit than others, but it's still true.
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Old 12-01-2006, 01:53 PM
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Emily has shown a complete lack of class and manners around Luke. He's been a complete gentleman in her presence and shown more maturity and respect towards her than she has ever shown him.
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Old 12-01-2006, 01:56 PM
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Oh yeah, Richard lies there dying and desperatly needs an organ transplant and - halleluja - Luke is the perfect donor and gives him a kidney, a quarter lung and some marrow. And, wowh, the next miracle: His blod type matches Paul Ankas as well, who - poor dog - has consumptiveness and that's why he haven't been seen latley.
LOL - but putting PA aside (human to K9 blood doesn't work) I would not be surprised if Luke does do something like that, Chris is pissed 'cause his "blue blood" is no good, Lorelai is pissed at his attitude (as is Emily) and Luke is the knight in flannel

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Don't know about that. Almost passed 6Gb bandwidth last month! (98%)

There are too many CIP!

I really need that need account with a 50Gb limit, that might work for a while
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Old 12-01-2006, 02:00 PM
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Rory has a storyline?
My bad I blinked and missed it.
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Old 12-01-2006, 02:31 PM
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Rory has a storyline?
My bad I blinked and missed it.
Didn't you here it has something to do with that Logan guy, maybe the 2nd half will be more to do with Chris LOL
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Old 12-01-2006, 02:33 PM
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Well, actually I was talking about the two things seperately.

I was joking around at the asinine idea that Luke's little story with April had dragged down the ratings.

The show has promoted Lorelai's journey/love affair/relationship/marriage with Chris. We all know that; it's harder for some to admit than others, but it's still true.
But the ratings drop began last season, with the introduction of April, and an upswing in Luke's storyline with her. Chris wasn't around at that time, or not much. The larger ratings drop this season has been accompnied by a similar ratings drop across the board for all CW shows, except ANTM. That's some serious juju David Sutcliffe has if he affected not only the drop last season but also this season and an entire fledgling network.

You're not seeing that they ARE promoting and featuring Luke right along with Chris. What they aren't promoting or featuring is Rory, a title character, nor her romantic lead, Logan.
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I added to that part of the post. He's being promoted as well. He's been featured in 3 of the DCs, one w/o any Gilmores in it. Unlike Rory whose had none featuring her part of the storyline/show, not that it's there to begin with.
Rory's "storyline" has been so ignored that we can't even tell when Logan's going to be on the show. We just have no idea from week to week what's going on with her while we practically have the whole storyboard for L/L/C. As I've said before, it's like they're winging it.

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What a total misstep it's been not having him back. Unlike Chris, he is someone worthy of strong negative feelings because you know the character would not only not give a damn, but would relish it.

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She didn't like Digger Stiles. She didn't like Floyd much either. There are plenty of people of Emily's financial class she's disliked…. Trix. Pennilynn Lott. That woman from the DAR she was always trying to upstage. I'm sure now, Emily's not too fond of Shira Huntzberger, and she's well aware of Mitchum's faults. The difference is, she's outwardly polite to them, in that very surface way. They just don't give a crap what Emily thinks and she knows it in return. It's a game they all play.
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My bad I blinked and missed it.
don't you know, this is "Chris and Looor" show this season.
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