Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #110 ~ Showdown in Stars Hollow - Page 3

lemon tart · 12-01-2006, 12:24 PM

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I did too, but all last year people were telling me it was the LLD SL, and not AI, so I've pretty much decided to go with the flow

Exactly. So if we're going with the majority, it must be Luke/April along with Lorelai/Chris. Not any outside factors. And even if it is the multiple reasons theory I've subscribed to all along, none of the above are ratings getters.

I forgot to mention in the lack of Rory SLs stuff the fact that she's taking a class from Richard. Part of EH's contractual obligations this season will be with him maybe not even conscious as Richard's supposed to get quite ill. They've had the opportunity to have Rory have her breakdown in 7, questioning her *path* and then maybe going to Richard and talking to him about it. But they didn't. I don't really want to see them in class together, that's a little weird and I kinda wish she weren't taking a class from him. Besides the oddness it just serves to irritate me because I haven't seen any of it. But them running into each other at the coffee kiosk, or having lunch at the pub or cafeteria. I loved those scenes in S4 & S5, and we've had none this season, even though both are at Yale.

Such a waste.

Riska · 12-01-2006, 12:37 PM

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I forgot to mention in the lack of Rory SLs stuff the fact that she's taking a class from Richard. Part of EH's contractual obligations this season will be with him maybe not even conscious as Richard's supposed to get quite ill. They've had the opportunity to have Rory have her breakdown in 7, questioning her *path* and then maybe going to Richard and talking to him about it. But they didn't. I don't really want to see them in class together, that's a little weird and I kinda wish she weren't taking a class from him. Besides the oddness it just serves to irritate me because I haven't seen any of it. But them running into each other at the coffee kiosk, or having lunch at the pub or cafeteria. I loved those scenes in S4 & S5, and we've had none this season, even though both are at Yale.

I forgot that Rory visits one of Richard's classes at all

Just how I tend to forget that Lorelai has a dog. Why, oh why?

peachypeep · 12-01-2006, 12:38 PM

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Exactly. So if we're going with the majority, it must be Luke/April along with Lorelai/Chris. Not any outside factors. And even if it is the multiple reasons theory I've subscribed to all along, still none of the above are ratings getters.

Course there is a little problem with this theory, being that the only thing that has been promoted is Chris and Lor, the wedding, etc. But what the heck - let's just say it's all SP's fault. I mean really - who cares about a dirty diner owner? He sure doesn't have the "rich boy" patina of a Logan, Richard, Chris, or Mitchum.

Sandlynn · 12-01-2006, 12:39 PM

Yeah, it's funny. They called the whole "becoming a lecturer at Yale thing" EH's storyline, but we never saw anything of it. Is it still a storyline if we don't see it, e.g., if a tree falls in a forest and no one's there, does it make a sound?

And that whole "Emily tutors the young debs" came and went too, but that all ended up being about Lorelai anyway. It was a long way to go for another character's momentary epiphany.

However, Richard's? Not even an epiphany for the coffee cart guy. Too bad to, because it could have been used for Rory. She could've gone to his Yale office and, while there, have her little meltdown that she had with the artsy girls. Mirroring last season's meltdown, Richard could've comforted her, but instead of enabling her, he could've put her back on the straight and narrow, redeeming both of them in the process.

Ma-a-a-n, Aw should git uh job writin' for the tee vee!

wej5541 · 12-01-2006, 12:45 PM

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He sure doesn't have the "rich boy" patina of a Logan, Richard, Chris, or Mitchum.

I wouldn't exactly call Luke poor. He was able to come up with $30,000 to invest in the inn way too quick for someone wihtout money.

lemon tart · 12-01-2006, 12:50 PM

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Course there is a little problem with this theory, being that the only thing that has been promoted is Chris and Lor, the wedding, etc. But what the heck - let's just say it's all SP's fault. I mean really - who cares about a dirty diner owner? He sure doesn't have the "rich boy" patina of a Logan, Richard, Chris, or Mitchum.

Where is the lack of Luke? He's been promoted in the promos, just look at the one for this week with the High Noon in the Hollow theme, and DCs on The CW site. Go read Captain's breakdown of scenes. 9 for SP/Luke this past episode v 5 for Rory. 3 episodes have been heavily Rory, 2 with Logan. All but 2 have had quite a bit of Luke, 5 of them heavily leaning on the Luke/April story. Luke/April is just as much a factor as is Chris/Lorelai, after all at least almost all of Chris's scenes are with Lorelai. Do you want to cut her storyline too? Rory/Emily/Richard are the ones getting the shaft. That's not even really factoring in Logan, a character whose changes could have been explored, but who was given the Jess treatment. Shows back up all spiffed up, shiny and matured.

Riska, how could you remember Rory's taking a class from Richard? It's not like it's been shown on screen.

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However, Richard's? Not even an epiphany for the coffee cart guy. Too bad to, because it could have been used for Rory. She could've gone to his Yale office and, while there, have her little meltdown that she had with the artsy girls. Mirroring last season's meltdown, Richard could've comforted her, but instead of enabling her, he could've put her back on the straight and narrow, redeeming both of them in the process.

GAH, what I wouldn't have given for that to be how that happened. Or even if they wanted the breakdown to happen like it did for her to have then gone to Richard to talk about it. His office, a lunch at the pub or cafeteria. So much about the Richard teaches @ Yale has been a waste.

gilmorebrazil · 12-01-2006, 12:54 PM

Maybe, the next episode, when Rory takes Logan to the Yale cafeteria, they run into Marty and into Richard. Then we have a whole five seconds scene with Rory and Richard saying "good morning, Rory" "good morning, grandpa" at Yale.

peachypeep · 12-01-2006, 12:56 PM

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Course there is a little problem with this theory, being that the only thing that has been promoted is Chris and Lor, the wedding, etc. But what the heck - let's just say it's all SP's fault. I mean really - who cares about a dirty diner owner? He sure doesn't have the "rich boy" patina of a Logan, Richard, Chris, or Mitchum.

Where is the lack of Luke? Go read Captain's breakdown of scenes. 9 for SP/Luke this past episode v 5 for Rory. 3 episodes have been heavily Rory, 2 with Logan. All but 2 have had quite a bit of Luke, 5 of them heavily leaning on the Luke/April story. Luke/April is just as much a factor as is Chris/Lorelai, after all at least almost all of Chris's scenes are with Lorelai. Do you want to cut her storyline too? Rory/Emily/Richard are the ones getting the shaft. That's not even really factoring in Logan, a character whose changes could have been explored, but who was given the Jess treatment. Showed up all spiffed up, shiny and matured.

I didn't say anything about Luke's screen time.

peachypeep · 12-01-2006, 12:58 PM

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I wouldn't exactly call Luke poor. He was able to come up with $30,000 to invest in the inn way too quick for someone wihtout money.

That's an enormous amount of money for Luke, mere pocket change for the likes Logan, Chris, etc.

lemon tart · 12-01-2006, 01:05 PM

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I didn't say anything about Luke's screen time.

I added to that part of the post. He's being promoted as well. He's been featured in 3 of the DCs, one w/o any Gilmores in it. Unlike Rory whose had none featuring her part of the storyline/show, not that it's there to begin with. He's being promoted in the promos at the end of the episodes, look at the High Noon in the Hollow theme to this week's, which has been being featured for a few weeks now. That's just the latest example.

Rory on the other hand, not really featured in the promos either. Only time its happened is her breakdown in 7 that went no where.

charmed1NM · 12-01-2006, 01:06 PM

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That's an enormous amount of money for Luke, mere pocket change for the likes Logan, Chris, etc.

what about "I just spent one hundred thousand dollars and it's all your fault"? He does own the building next door and charges Taylor, he owns the diner, his car, no rent, he does have revenue, not to the extent of Chris, but he is not poor by any means

catkirk7 · 12-01-2006, 01:08 PM

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That's an enormous amount of money for Luke, mere pocket change for the likes Logan, Chris, etc.

Who cares? Money is not why I like Logan. It's not why I like Richard. Wanting Mitchum to come back has nothing to do with his money or even liking the character. It has to do with a great actor who has an interesting dynamic with both MC and AB and the storylines that could be explored by that. I don't know why money keeps coming into the conversation other than in a discussion about Chris's misguided use of it.

lancer1993 · 12-01-2006, 01:09 PM

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That's an enormous amount of money for Luke, mere pocket change for the likes Logan, Chris, etc.

It could have been his life savings, I just wish they would address that and other issues dropped over the years, for the fans that remember, it would be some nice continuity from DSR and show he has been watching.

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what about "I just spent one hundred thousand dollars and it's all your fault"? He does own the building next door and charges Taylor, he owns the diner, his car, no rent, he does have revenue, not to the extent of Chris, but he is not poor by any means

IMO it was a loan which he is probably still paying off, but it must be making him money or why would he keep it, Kirk bought it up kinda in BB&M.

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KIRK: Granted, you’ve got some real estate holdings, but your cash flow’s been flat for three years, and unless you’re willing to sell off assets, you may be able to swing no more than a five percent down payment, which makes you a real estate risk.

lemon tart · 12-01-2006, 01:10 PM

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That's an enormous amount of money for Luke, mere pocket change for the likes Logan, Chris, etc.

I don't get the point with Logan. When has he volunteered to bail anyone out or made massive monetary gestures trying to ingratiate himself?

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Who cares? Money is not why I like Logan. It's not why I like Richard. Wanting Mitchum to come back has nothing to do with his money or even liking the character. It has to do with a great actor who has an interesting dynamic with both MC and AB and the storylines that could be explored by that. I don't know why money keeps coming into the conversation other than in a discussion about Chris's misguided use of it.

So true, Christine. Espcially the Mitchum/Logan/Rory part. I miss Mitchum!

peachypeep · 12-01-2006, 01:14 PM

Luke is not of the same financial "class" as Chris, Logan, etc. Otherwise Emily would have liked him!

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I don't know why money keeps coming into the conversation other than in a discussion about Chris's misguided use of it.

Because this show is, in large part, about social class differences, which are primarily determined by money. And who has it. And how much of it they have.