Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #110 ~ Showdown in Stars Hollow - Page 2

elduccia · 12-01-2006, 09:57 AM

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All the criticism of Lorelai on the last thread, I don't get it. Last season it was all, get a backbone Lorelai, now it's all be nice to Chris Lorelai, don't dare have a contrary opinion. When she and Luke were running around with different assumptions they were supposed to communicate better, when Lorelai and Chris are running around with different assumptions, it's Lorelai's selfish and self-centered. I truly do not get the pass Chris gets on everything. IT MUST BE THAT IF YOU HAVE NO PERSONALITY AT ALL PEOPLE WILL JUST READ INTO YOU WHATEVER THEY WANT. Why should Lorelai have a wedding party she doesn't want? Why isn't Chris to blame for not discussing kids etc with her if this is important to him? E&R have always taken Lorelai for granted and not respected her values and accomplishments and now Chris is joining the club. On what planet could he think that Lorelai would like a formal Emily party where she stands up in front of off her parents friends and says Emily approved wedding vows like a performing seal?

Well I agree it shouldn't be done a-la Emily, but as Lorelai (AND Chris) want.

I think that the DC scene sums up a lot of things: and apparently one of them it's that L/C haven't discussed things like they should.
I honestly had expected Chris to back Lorelai up a little more, at least when in public. Then in private they can discuss all they want.

And I'm not bashing Lorelai, never did and never will. She's my favourite character in GG, flaws included. But there's a big difference between standing for your rights and fight to get things the way you want them and completely ignore other ppl feelings.

wej5541 · 12-01-2006, 10:01 AM

Thanks for the thread!

KAB wanting less screentime doesn't mean that Rory shouldn't get a good storyline. The show could have offset the lack of Rory time with time spent on Logan in London showing how he actually grew up there instead of it looking sudden. That could potentially bring Greg Henry back to the show.

EH could be better used if every couple of episodes he had a scene with Rory taking his class at Yale.

caf123 · 12-01-2006, 10:10 AM

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And I'm not bashing Lorelai, never did and never will. She's my favourite character in GG, flaws included. But there's a big difference between standing for your rights and fight to get things the way you want them and completely ignore other ppl feelings.

What Lorelai's completely ignoring is her own feelings.

It would be faster and easier on everyone, on-screen and off-screen, if she gave up and admitted what she really feels.

But DS's contract has three more eps, and Richard won't fall ill until 7.13, so we're stuck in denial-land. It was bound to get uncomfortable.

lemon tart · 12-01-2006, 10:15 AM

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Thanks for the thread!

KAB wanting less screentime doesn't mean that Rory shouldn't get a good storyline. The show could have offset the lack of Rory time with time spent on Logan in London showing how he actually grew up there instead of it looking sudden. That could potentially bring Greg Henry back to the show.

EH could be better used if every couple of episodes he had a scene with Rory taking his class at Yale.

ITA, well said!

We could have really seen if Rory faces a real choice, a fundimentally changed Logan, rather than just seeing a more mature version of him. I miss Gregg Henry.

clmorrow · 12-01-2006, 10:32 AM

Personally, I think that the contract DS signed probably included a provision that he get an "A" storyline - there has to be a reason he didn't sign in past years - I know he had a sitcom for one year, but since then, he's hasn't had a regular gig. Given that they have given him the "A" storyline, my guess is that SP also demanded in contract negotiations a good amount of screen time knowing his character could completely recede into the background with the C/L storyline.

It would be interesting to know the rationale for having such weak stuff for Rory. If I recall, isn't MC signed for at least 13 episodes this season? If so, it sounds like their story is going to be on the back end of this season - which is really too bad given this is likely the last year.

As for KB and EH - their new contracts must have been for far less appearances - I wonder if that was due to budget reasons, storylines or their own personal requests for less time.

No man in Lorelai's life has ever had this much screentime - in each and every episode - even when she was with Luke and engaged to him, there were Luke light episodes while she was depicted as actually having a full life. I want that full life living person back - and soon.

**NikNak** · 12-01-2006, 10:32 AM

I apologize for this post being a bit late, but it still applies all the same.

As you’ve noticed, Holly and I have lifted the no-title ban from the GG main thread starting with thread #105. While we want you all to enjoy suggesting thread titles for the GG main thread, as we know this was missed by some of you, there are stipulations that comes along with lifting this ban that applies to EVERYONE posting on the GG main thread so please read the following carefully.

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Riska · 12-01-2006, 10:56 AM

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As for KB and EH - their new contracts must have been for far less appearances - I wonder if that was due to budget reasons, storylines or their own personal requests for less time.

I don't know for EH, bu KB has a contract, which garantuess her at least 15 episodes a Season. She had been in 5 so far, so (at least) 10 more to go, which is still possible.

Captain Hawkeye · 12-01-2006, 11:26 AM

Thanks Blaab

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However, outside of your natural defense mechanism, what proof do you or Hawk have that this will not change? Yeah, I have no proof, but I am not the defeatest pessimist at the moment.

I am not pessimistic nor do I spec RL will be broken up (unless MC doesn't sign for an S8), but I look at data. We know these SL's will be in the 2nd Half

1) LC devolve
2) A Luke/April/Anna custody case with courtroom
3) Richard's health crisis
4) LZ giving birth/being parents

So there's not a ton of room for a RL SL But I hope your spec w/o proof beats my spec w/o proof.

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The break-up we all been waiting for can´t only be Lorelai getting her brain back. Chriss will prob pull something that will show his real face

Of course they will demonize Chris: just like they did Dean, Jess, Digger & Luke. (Although the Digger one was weak). Remember Sookie & Lorelai prattling on about being locked out of cars, blaming Luke for the LL break-up? (Sookie also seems to have as many points of view as Obi-Wan)

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Right, cause it´s good to focus on a character who only appeared in 22 eps throughout the years....clever.....

Focus on Chris? Until 7.09 he had ONE scene all year w/o Lorelai and/or Rory in it. (Luke sucker punches him—not even dialog). Now he has a "man date" as well. In 7.09 ALONE Luke had NINE scenes w/o Lorelai or Rory:

1) TJ talks to Luke about Liz's child birth
2) Anna asks Luke if they can talk
3) Anna tells Luke she's taking April to NM
4) April & Luke talk at the counter
5) Luke suggests alternatives to Anna
6) April & Luke talk out side ("my mother is ruining my life")
7) TJ calls Luke
8) Luke holds Doula as TJ rambles
9) Luke throws down with Anna

Chris is only piggybacking on Lorelai's screen time, Luke/Anna/April are the ones cutting into Rory's

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But then maybe this is the point of the storyline hierarchy. Rory should be just as important to Chris as Lorelai is, but she's not.

And MORE important than Luke/April/Anna, but she's not. Why DSR?

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What could she possibly have to say in a letter to a judge hearing his child custody case to establish his paternal rights?

That he only throws unnamed extras out of his diner, has only beaten up one car, and only needed ONE map to seek out the guy he was going to sucker punch?

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Originally Posted by caf

Someone earlier said the writers "love both characters". ASP signed DS for 13 episdoes but didn't bother with 7.22. Sounds like he would have missed Rory's Yale graduation, too.

Or she felt she could always extend his contract and didn't want to pay to tie him up for 3 months (Jan, Feb, Mar) w/o using him.

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Originally Posted by Lemon Tart

Maybe there should have been more focus on Rory/Chris,

Of course, since Lorelai is still going to get her scenes—either as part of LL, or alone, or with Sookie/Michel—the only place to get the time for these scenes would be from Luke/April/Coach Bennett/Anna/Liz&TJ.

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I'm more interested in who will be in that courtroom...

Ummm. . .lawyers? Maybe Rory could be the recorder—that would get her screen time

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So I am speccing that around ep 11, 12, 13 will not only be the turning point for the Lorelai/Chris relationship, but will also be the turning point where there will be more focus on Rory and her SL.

I hope you're right, but they're not building courthouse sets for Rory's SL, nor is it Rory's health crisis, or Rory having Zach's twins and becoming a new mother. Nor are we "cueing" a Rory epiphany.

Based on what we DO know, they're not leaving a ton of time available for a Rory SL until at least several eps AFTER the "turning point" in 7.13.

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Originally Posted by clmorrow

As for KB and EH - their new contracts must have been for far less appearances - I wonder if that was due to budget reasons, storylines or their own personal requests for less time.

Why do you say that? KB & EH have been in 5 of the first 9 eps (7.03, 7.04, 7.05, 7.06, 7.09) and KB will be in 7.10. With Richard's health crisis coming up both are on pace to make their usual 15 & 13 eps, respectively.

Just a comparison from KPK:

Rory scenes: Moves in, talks with Paris about party, talks on phone with Lorelai, delivers box to L & O's apt/talks about Uggs, asks Marty for a drink/talks, scene on couch. Total: 5 scenes

Scenes with no Gilmore Girl involved: the 9 I list above, plus the "man date" scene Total=10

From GB

Rory scenes: Phone call with Lorelai about Parents' Weekend, Paris gloating/phone call with Lorelai after registration, LC in newsroom, lunch with LC & YDN staff, scene in YDN newsroom redoing paper/LC bring doughnuts. Total=5

Luke scenes: Diner scene with Kirk & Lulu/April forgets lunch, Meets Coach Bennett at pool, swimming lesson, threatens Kirk scene, April tells him not to call her 'Coach Bennet' scene, dinner with Coach, sees Kirk & Lulu, after dinner scene with April Total=8

lemon tart · 12-01-2006, 11:28 AM

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Personally, I think that the contract DS signed probably included a provision that he get an "A" storyline - there has to be a reason he didn't sign in past years - I know he had a sitcom for one year, but since then, he's hasn't had a regular gig. Given that they have given him the "A" storyline, my guess is that SP also demanded in contract negotiations a good amount of screen time knowing his character could completely recede into the background with the C/L storyline.

It would be interesting to know the rationale for having such weak stuff for Rory. If I recall, isn't MC signed for at least 13 episodes this season? If so, it sounds like their story is going to be on the back end of this season - which is really too bad given this is likely the last year.

As for KB and EH - their new contracts must have been for far less appearances - I wonder if that was due to budget reasons, storylines or their own personal requests for less time.

No man in Lorelai's life has ever had this much screentime - in each and every episode - even when she was with Luke and engaged to him, there were Luke light episodes while she was depicted as actually having a full life. I want that full life living person back - and soon.

David Sutcliffe's contract or *A* storyline should have nothing to do with how much screen time or storyline or lack of storyline Rory has, though. Every single scene of his, save two, Chris getting sucker punched by Luke and the Chris/Jackson one this past week, has been with someone named Gilmore. He's not taking away from any of the Gilmores, the title characters, screen time, he's part of it. Maybe Scott Patterson demanded more storyline, but even if he did that shouldn't take away from either of the 2 central characters. If that were the case then he has a raging out of control ego and should get his own show. Luke's not a title character. Plus, his rise to more singular prominance than ever before has done zero for the ratings as the L/A storyline hasn't been any more of a winner than L/C.

lancer1993 · 12-01-2006, 11:43 AM

Thanks blaab for the thread, nice title.

So nothing new overnight, yes I checked the first posts, just not the 100 odd posts before it on the last thread LOL

IMO Lorelai should do what she wants, she always had and it only times she has not that have lead to problems.

That being said IMO she will cave on the vows (but I hope we don't see them) and it will be whatever Emily says that changes her. But it was a dumb move by Chris to be on Emily side in the DC clip.

and thanks NikNak for the notice.

ETA - Courtroom IMO the main reason Lorelai may not be in the courtroom is the letter, what is it's point if she can be there in person?

peachypeep · 12-01-2006, 12:09 PM

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David Sutcliffe's contract or *A* storyline should have nothing to do with how much screen time or storyline or lack of storyline Rory has, though. Every single scene of his, save two, Chris getting sucker punched by Luke and the Chris/Jackson one this past week, has been with someone named Gilmore. He's not taking away from any of the Gilmores, the title characters, screen time, he's part of it. Maybe Scott Patterson demanded more storyline, but even if he did that shouldn't take away from either of the 2 central characters. If that were the case then he has a raging out of control ego and should get his own show. Luke's not a title character. Plus, his rise to more singular prominance than ever before has done zero for the ratings as the L/A storyline hasn't been any more of a winner than L/C.

I thought the ratings decline was only due to DWTS and the CW being a new network.

Captain Hawkeye · 12-01-2006, 12:16 PM

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I thought the ratings decline was only due to DWTS and the CW being a new network.

I did too, but all last year people were telling me it was the LLD SL, and not AI, so I've pretty much decided to go with the flow

peachypeep · 12-01-2006, 12:18 PM

Ahh, so if it's SP's fault it's a story driven ratings decline/joke

blaab · 12-01-2006, 12:19 PM

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I did too, but all last year people were telling me it was the LLD SL, and not AI, so I've pretty much decided to go with the flow

I like your flexibilty Captain

lancer1993 · 12-01-2006, 12:24 PM

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I did too, but all last year people were telling me it was the LLD SL, and not AI, so I've pretty much decided to go with the flow

It's a lot of reason, and stuff we never hear like market research. There is no one cause for the current ratings but the biggest factor IMO and based on the fact the ratings jumped last week is DWTS. Does it say much for the SL if more than half a million people tune in only for the stop watching a bunch of stars dancing around?

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I like your flexibilty Captain

Dirty!