Spoilers - Gilmore Girls~Luke/Lorelai Analysis & Speculation #418~Big Fat Freakin' Kiss - Page 8

2ggObsessed · 05-10-2007, 04:29 AM

Good morning everyone. Trying to catch up on the threads before heading off to work. Don’ t think I’ll be able to do it though

Thanks for the new thread genki

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Originally Posted by gilmore_maniac (View Post)

no I think Lorelai is just really hurt and confused because she let herself fall in love with Luke again and feels like he isn't on the same page. (again) So she's trying to be ok with it by convincing herself she never let herself feel that again. It's sad but it's her mechanism, and completely understandable imo.

So I guess we have to accept that she did stop loving Luke at some point and started to love Christopher. That makes me smad. All that love that they spent so many yearly slowly building and she stopped loving Luke in a matter of months?

We spec’d over the months that she was still in love with Luke but believed that he didn’t feel the same way. After listening to Lorelai talk about her feeling for Luke in the DC and the past two or so episodes, I am now beginning to believe that she really did stop loving him, put him behind her as she told Sookie and moved on to Christopher. Why do I feel cheated by this knowledge? Now she’s going to discover that she loves Luke in the final episode (didn’t we go here before?) Thanks DSR!

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Hope you are doing better glo. Take it easy and don’t let GG stress you out.

See, I didn’t even get caught up on the last thread and now I have to head out. Later all!

GEORGEIII · 05-10-2007, 04:32 AM

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They never cared about the fans.....esp not the last 2 seasons......

Wow, I´m so happy that everyone can live with this ending, the CW, LG. The only lonely losers are the fans.....Life is a b+tch anyway, right.......

I concur.

Be grateful for the last minute kiss, though. What other fans got was Logan not even being mentioned by name in the finale...

FuzzyCerts · 05-10-2007, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 2ggObsessed (View Post)

I am now beginning to believe that she really did stop loving him, put him behind her as she told Sookie and moved on to Christopher.

See, I don´t believe that. She never stopped loving Luke, she tried to love Dopey, but couldn´t.....so, at least I have this......

Yeah, wow, a last minute kiss (doing the happy dance). After 4 years of waiting and 1,5 crappy seasons, thats all we get.....yeah, wow !!!

Sorry, but I´m just as pissed and feel betrayed as the R/L fans......

LukeDanesIsLove · 05-10-2007, 04:38 AM

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The DC just confirmed what a lousy writer DR is - I knew I was right to be bothered that he wrote the finale. All the stupid babbling - just for the sake of having a babbling scene.

I'm still trying to figure out why on earth Luke should feel confident at this point to make a romantic move - he has no idea what happened with Christopher - how is Luke is supposed to know it wasn't Chris who did the leaving? How is he supposed to know she wasn't "all in" with Chris??? Just because she sang a song to him while drunk - then denied it?

If I were him, I'd be pretty darn careful with this woman too. And, she's acting as though she has done soooo many gestures he should have responded to, when, in fact, she has done exactly one that could be considered romantic and that's the one gesture she denied meant anything.

It's not as though he didn't immediately jump at the chance to take her car shopping - and, hello, how about his searching for a replacement engine/car for her, taking it for a test drive, wanting to make her bike safe? None of that meant anything to her? Only her actions count, the way this scene is written.

This is crappy stupid writing yet again and Lorelai seems like a total clueless idiot in the DC. Sorry, that's my take on this nonsense.

Thanks for writing this. I wanted to write this to but couldn't because of my poor English.
Especially bolded part.

gjoni · 05-10-2007, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by elduccia (View Post)

Had they known this was the last season they would have had LC dating for a while without gettin' married, LC broken up by november and Lorelai going back to the diner in the xmas episode.

Then we would have got the reconciliation until feb sweeps and the last five episodes dedicated to a short but very much appreciated middle.

Actually a LL reconciliation in the feb sweeps would have left the rest of the season free to focus on Rory and Lorelai who - I agree with LG on this - were and always will be the main characters of the show.

You would've made a showrunner to my liking.

And I understand why Luke is unsure and why Lorelai is, why they both still are, I just think that at this point so late in the season, and especially series, they were both supposed to be written already past all these insecurities and doubts. Just suck it up already and confront each other directly about your love, instead of talking in code about Rory's love dilemmas with Kirk hovering above your heads!
Kirk interrupts again.

Actually, I think a great scene would've been if they kissed right there and then with only Kirk watching them through his glass cage from above, lol.

Cappuccino · 05-10-2007, 04:40 AM

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The DC just confirmed what a lousy writer DR is - I knew I was right to be bothered that he wrote the finale. All the stupid babbling - just for the sake of having a babbling scene.

I'm still trying to figure out why on earth Luke should feel confident at this point to make a romantic move - he has no idea what happened with Christopher - how is Luke is supposed to know it wasn't Chris who did the leaving? How is he supposed to know she wasn't "all in" with Chris??? Just because she sang a song to him while drunk - then denied it?

If I were him, I'd be pretty darn careful with this woman too. And, she's acting as though she has done soooo many gestures he should have responded to, when, in fact, she has done exactly one that could be considered romantic and that's the one gesture she denied meant anything.

It's not as though he didn't immediately jump at the chance to take her car shopping - and, hello, how about his searching for a replacement engine/car for her, taking it for a test drive, wanting to make her bike safe? None of that meant anything to her? Only her actions count, the way this scene is written.

This is crappy stupid writing yet again and Lorelai seems like a total clueless idiot in the DC. Sorry, that's my take on this nonsense.

And don't forget the supermarket scene WAY back in 7.02 where he told her he would go back to the guy who pours her coffee. He offered her his friendship right back then and did she take it. Of course not. She had to go on her journey with Daddy of the Year, bad mouth Luke and shut him out completely.

GEORGEIII · 05-10-2007, 04:41 AM

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Sorry, but I´m just as pissed and feel betrayed as the R/L fans......

Well, I feel betrayed too, at least we got that in common.

FuzzyCerts · 05-10-2007, 04:46 AM

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Well, I feel betrayed too, at least we got that in common.

Isn´t it just great that ALL the fans are happy ?? Bravo CW !!! Bravo DR !!

If I were Luke, I would never trust that woman again.....never ever.....

LukeDanesIsLove · 05-10-2007, 04:47 AM

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IA afn. Remember The Trilogy? It was magical and it worked because the momentum was building forward from LCSHF, to LWFTWT to finally the last scene in R&R. The audience was excited and thrilled to see what happened next for L/L, the sexual tension was revved up, the adoring, shy eyes were touching and it was beautiful.

This time around we get just get more of the miscommunication, denial, cold behaviour that we've had all season. Besides the karaoke singing, I haven't seen any evidence that Lorelai is "head over heels" in love with Luke. I don't know if it's the writing or the acting, but I don't get that Lorelai is still in love with Luke. I wish they even played up some of the "physical longing" between these two, but I don't even feel any "need" or "ache" between them, like I did in the first four seasons. The only thing Luke has seen was someone who was tanked up on tequila and then denying it meant anything, the same old Lorelai who calls him when she needs a new car, whatever. But how can Lorelai NOT see Luke? He put the blue hat back on. He went through all that bother to get her jeep back. She wants emotion from him? Did she SEE the look on his face while she sang to him?

She said she wants emotion and evidence of love. "After all this time, you don't know that?" - she asked Luke. Well after all this time, she doesn't know Luke?

But hey, I guess all this confusion and denial is all worth it for the BIG PAYOFF IN THE LAST FIVE MINUTES OF THE SERIES. The writers forget that we've already had hit the big romantic highs with this couple - The Waltz, R&R, WitS, the S....GT Kiss and the Proposal. The final payoff is supposed to be bigger than all those combined. Not just a moment we should all feel grateful we are getting after all we've been through. Feeling like we survived by the skin of our teeth is not a Happy Ending.

ITA.
Thank you, Ciaobella.
You have been one of the posters whose wrightings I have enjoyed most.
And most of time I had something to want to wright, you wrote that and did really good, so I didn't have to suffer from my own poor English.
So Thanks again.

aussiekate · 05-10-2007, 04:48 AM

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Man, that Lorelai. Can't admit she still loves someone who shut her out for six months and turned a freeze on her after she put all her feelings out there in an embarassing drunken serenade. Won't deign to admit she has feelings for a man she thinks only wnats to be her friend.

Yup. What a crazy, selfish. b**tch.

Yeah, poor Luke, blameless victim that he is.

clmorrow · 05-10-2007, 04:51 AM

It was clear that Luke was going to make a move. He bought the necklace - Liz seemed to convince him she should at least consider doing something in response to the song. He was so happy to see her in the diner before she opened her big mouth and announced to everyone that the song meant nothing then had the nerve to get all pouty when he was abrupt with her.

Other lousy writing in that scene besides her not realizing the guy was standing right in front of her was that neither Babette or Miss Patty said anything to her about it. They saw and heard it but they too kept quiet just so these writers can continue their stupid cat and mouse game.

They seem so intent on sticking to some formula storytelling to build up drama (in their minds anyway) that they end up seeming completely uncreative and just like every other crappy melodrama staff writer on the planet.

Makes me sad to see this once great show go out the door in such a way.

aussiekate · 05-10-2007, 04:53 AM

You only have to endure one more episode though clmorrow.

Surely the writers can't disappoint you much more juding by your posts this season.

The writers really got that diner scene so wrong and the director should be hung for it to. Look how ONE scene can sour everyone's final GG episode.

I honestly still cannot believe they didn't have Luke hear the denial and stay behind the curtain for 30 seconds. It could have made such a difference.

At the moment I am ok with the ending. I have never viewed Luke as the untouchable, shiney hero who was blameless in the breakup. Sure Lorelai made crap decisions but I do believe that Luke needs to make a gesture. His gesture is sweet AND it revolves around Rory - who he knows matters the most to Lorelai. Something he has always respected. As he tells her in the finale he just wants her to be happy and he knows planning that party would make her happy. Is that soooo wrong?? Is it so wrong to want to make someone else happy, is it so wrong to want someone to take care of you like Lorelai has been seeking? I refuse to over think it now....it's too late for that.

But GOD I wish that diner scene had been different so some more of you could have a better feeling leading into the last episode ever.

lancer1993 · 05-10-2007, 04:54 AM

I've started the TS for ep 21 but I'm stuck on some of the simple stuff, maybe I'm just tired, I've been up for almost 16 hours and know if I go to be too soon I'll just wake up early again.
Question in the teaser with Sookie and Lorelai for example,

SOOKIE "Oww, that’s easy. It’s one part yolk and two parts mayonnaise. Oh my God you don't care at all, do you?"

What is the best (or correct way) to write the bold part?

lilmelodie · 05-10-2007, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CineFille (View Post)

Man, that Lorelai. Can't admit she still loves someone who shut her out for six months and turned a freeze on her after she put all her feelings out there in an embarassing drunken serenade. Won't deign to admit she has feelings for a man she thinks only wnats to be her friend.

Yup. What a crazy, selfish. b**tch.

I agree. I thought it was pretty obvious though that she didn't really mean it.

LukeDanesIsLove · 05-10-2007, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by clmorrow (View Post)

It was clear that Luke was going to make a move. He bought the necklace - Liz seemed to convince him she should at least consider doing something in response to the song. He was so happy to see her in the diner before she opened her big mouth and announced to everyone that the song meant nothing then had the nerve to get all pouty when he was abrupt with her.

I believe if she hadn't said that stupid things, he would have given that necklace to her when he gave her Rory's earrings.

While Lorelai needs some signs and reassurence and complaints about lack of those, Luke plans the Bon Voyage party for Rory, and FOR Lorelai even when he KNOWS(because he himself heard when she herself said) the drunken serenade meant nothing.
Then Luke will say: I just like to see you happy.