Spoilers - Gilmore Girls~Luke/Lorelai Analysis & Speculation #418~Big Fat Freakin' Kiss - Page 7

lancer1993 · 05-10-2007, 03:55 AM

IMO the 2nd last scene wil be Luke and Lorelai meeting in the street, short talk then kiss. Then the last scene(s) will be the girls going to the diner, Lorelai talking about Luke and then the girls talking about stuff while Luke serves them.

FuzzyCerts · 05-10-2007, 03:56 AM

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Because there is no end

Oops, right. Forgot.....so did they. Why couldn´t they shoot another "ending" ??

afrayedknot · 05-10-2007, 04:00 AM

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I bet we wouldn't have heard any of these stupidities they have Lorelai say in the last episodes. They just wanted to prolong the reconciliation.

I'm confused as to why they went the way they did post-karaoke. Do L/L really, honestly need yet another incidence of miscommunication and hurt feelings? They had a nice little arc building with the apologies, the car fighting in 7.19, the karaoke in 7.20. Why did they have to take it back by having Lorelai not even sure if she even meant anything she said, followed by Luke being hurt for the 20th time this season, followed by a passive agressive L/L discussion? Wouldn't it have been better to just have an interupted conversation or two with L/L where they're both kind of hopeful, but each is reluctant to make the first move and are nervous around each other. They could still have waited until 7.22 for the resolution, but did they really have to make it like this so it feels like Lorelai didn't really mean her karaoke song and that she's only giving Luke a shot again because of a big grand gesture?

Cappuccino · 05-10-2007, 04:09 AM

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Oops, right. Forgot.....so did they. Why couldn´t they shoot another "ending" ??

Because the CW announced it just in time they couldn't do anything about it anymore and what could they have done anyway ? They slowed them down so much. There was nothing left for them.

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Lorelai sure fought hard to keep her marriage to Chris going, why can't she ever really fight for Luke?

Because he is not the man she wants to want

gjoni · 05-10-2007, 04:09 AM

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Heh, you make a very good point. Although I'm somewhat disappointed about the last minute-one (two if we're really lucky) kiss- little (or no?) talking resolution, I'm now glad that they're ending the show. One shudders to think what 'drama' L/L would have faced in season 8. It's just a pity that, as far as L/L are concerned they seemed to have learned exactly nothing about communication. Lorelai isn't speaking up and expects Luke to read her mind and Luke is slow to make a move and is required to make a 'big gesture' in order to stop Lorelai from walking away. For a season where certain relationships were discussed in depth, ad nauseum (ie. L/C), it's a pity L/L couldn't have had the same treatment. But, no, obviously keep L/L exactly as they ever were, complete with sitcomy 'misunderstanding' hijinks followed by a last minute reconciliation is just so much more satisfying that an actual discussion of you know, feelings.

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I'm confused as to why they went the way they did post-karaoke. Do L/L really, honestly need yet another incidence of miscommunication and hurt feelings? They had a nice little arc building with the apologies, the car fighting in 7.19, the karaoke in 7.20. Why did they have to take is back by having Lorelai not even sure if she even meant anything she said followed by Luke being hurt for the 20th time this season, followed by a passive agressive L/L discussion? Bringing back the hurt feelings at this stage and Lorelai saying she's over Luke just makes Lorelai like she doesn't care that much about Luke. Wouldn't it have been better to just have an interupted conversation or two with L/L where they're both kind of hopeful, but each is reluctant to make the first move and nervous around each other. They could still have waiting until 7.22 for the resolution, but did they really have to make it like this so it feels like Lorelai didn't really mean her karaoke song and that she's only giving Luke a shot again because of a big grand gesture ?

My sentiments exactly, both posts. Well said!
The karaoke should've been it, not backtracking, no more contrivances or unsureity. It was simply nough, after seven years, no more doubts, no more hiding or denying feelings. I was so disappointed by where 7.21 took them, and most of 7.22, I suppose does as well.

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Why couldn´t they shoot another "ending" ??

They were so arrogant and have no care in the world for the fans.
On the other hand, if truth be told, they would've had to shoot another whole season seven to make things good.

vaso · 05-10-2007, 04:09 AM

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I'm confused as to why they went the way they did post-karaoke. Do L/L really, honestly need yet another incidence of miscommunication and hurt feelings? They had a nice little arc building with the apologies, the car fighting in 7.19, the karaoke in 7.20. Why did they have to take it back by having Lorelai not even sure if she even meant anything she said, followed by Luke being hurt for the 20th time this season, followed by a passive agressive L/L discussion? Wouldn't it have been better to just have an interupted conversation or two with L/L where they're both kind of hopeful, but each is reluctant to make the first move and are nervous around each other. They could still have waited until 7.22 for the resolution, but did they really have to make it like this so it feels like Lorelai didn't really mean her karaoke song and that she's only giving Luke a shot again because of a big grand gesture? Lorelai sure fought hard to keep her marriage to Chris going, why can't she ever really fight for Luke?

Didn't you know that we needed more "drama"

I would have loved to see them talk but hesitant about the first move but that's just us, poor fans who don't know what they want

gjoni · 05-10-2007, 04:12 AM

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Because the CW announced it just in time they couldn't do anything about it anymore and what could they have done anyway ? They slowed them down so much. There was nothing left for them.

With how the things were written throughout the season, they should've done a time skip to show how progress and closure had been achieved, especially with LL.

FuzzyCerts · 05-10-2007, 04:13 AM

They never cared about the fans.....esp not the last 2 seasons......

Wow, I´m so happy that everyone can live with this ending, the CW, LG. The only lonely losers are the fans.....Life is a b+tch anyway, right.......

elduccia · 05-10-2007, 04:17 AM

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I would really like to see how s7 would have played out if they knew it was the end. I bet we wouldn't have heard any of these stupidities they have Lorelai say in the last episodes. They just wanted to prolong the reconciliation.

Had they known this was the last season they would have had LC dating for a while without gettin' married, LC broken up by november and Lorelai going back to the diner in the xmas episode.

Then we would have got the reconciliation until feb sweeps and the last five episodes dedicated to a short but very much appreciated middle.

Actually a LL reconciliation in the feb sweeps would have left the rest of the season free to focus on Rory and Lorelai who - I agree with LG on this - were and always will be the main characters of the show.

Well to hell with specualtions. The show is over. Just gimme the frakkin' kiss I've been waiting for a long time.
I gotta tell ya: this finale is not what I hoped for in terms of LL, but at least I'll still be able to watch the DVD's. They haven't ruined it for me.
It's just a little less then I was hoping for

CineFille · 05-10-2007, 04:23 AM

Man, that Lorelai. Can't admit she still loves someone who shut her out for six months and turned a freeze on her after she put all her feelings out there in an embarassing drunken serenade. Won't deign to admit she has feelings for a man she thinks only wnats to be her friend.

Yup. What a crazy, selfish. b**tch.

elduccia · 05-10-2007, 04:25 AM

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I'm confused as to why they went the way they did post-karaoke. Do L/L really, honestly need yet another incidence of miscommunication and hurt feelings? They had a nice little arc building with the apologies, the car fighting in 7.19, the karaoke in 7.20. Why did they have to take it back by having Lorelai not even sure if she even meant anything she said, followed by Luke being hurt for the 20th time this season, followed by a passive agressive L/L discussion? Wouldn't it have been better to just have an interupted conversation or two with L/L where they're both kind of hopeful, but each is reluctant to make the first move and are nervous around each other. They could still have waited until 7.22 for the resolution, but did they really have to make it like this so it feels like Lorelai didn't really mean her karaoke song and that she's only giving Luke a shot again because of a big grand gesture?

Well they also got me confused with Lorelai's speach during the fight with Luke.
She's all "you gotta jump/take a leap of faith because you cannot be 100% sure is right if you don't try" and then to Rory she's all "you're gonna meet someone and know it's right".

I think they had to pack to much stuff into the finale because they didn't manage the season that well but they were confident they'd had a half season to explain things and let us take a peek of the future.

Okee, time to have lunch.

Later!

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Man, that Lorelai. Can't admit she still loves someone who shut her out for six months and turned a freeze on her after she put all her feelings out there in an embarassing drunken serenade. Won't deign to admit she has feelings for a man she thinks only wnats to be her friend.

Yup. What a crazy, selfish. b**tch.

Thanks CineFille. ITA.
Everyone is takin' his rage for the show cancellation on Lorelai.
While I, myself, would have had the same reaction she's had.

In a way I agree with afrayedknot: they could have written LL reconciliation in a differen way to show that they have done some progress, individually, while they were apart.
On the other side this episode was EXACTLY like all the other LL interaction: they are so afraid to get hurt they end up not showing their feelings.

lancer1993 · 05-10-2007, 04:26 AM

IMO they just wanted to drag out the L&L stuff to the very end and it looks like they will. They had plenty of time for L&L to "kiss and make up" so to speak. After the car shopping Luke could have stayed and watched a movie. After the song they could have talked but no we'll make Luke d one last great thing before Lorelai will take him back.

I say thank god this season only has 22 eps 'cause really I don't know if I could have taken much more of this!

clmorrow · 05-10-2007, 04:27 AM

The DC just confirmed what a lousy writer DR is - I knew I was right to be bothered that he wrote the finale. All the stupid babbling - just for the sake of having a babbling scene.

I'm still trying to figure out why on earth Luke should feel confident at this point to make a romantic move - he has no idea what happened with Christopher - how is Luke is supposed to know it wasn't Chris who did the leaving? How is he supposed to know she wasn't "all in" with Chris??? Just because she sang a song to him while drunk - then denied it?

If I were him, I'd be pretty darn careful with this woman too. And, she's acting as though she has done soooo many gestures he should have responded to, when, in fact, she has done exactly one that could be considered romantic and that's the one gesture she denied meant anything.

It's not as though he didn't immediately jump at the chance to take her car shopping - and, hello, how about his searching for a replacement engine/car for her, taking it for a test drive, wanting to make her bike safe? None of that meant anything to her? Only her actions count, the way this scene is written.

This is crappy stupid writing yet again and Lorelai seems like a total clueless idiot in the DC. Sorry, that's my take on this nonsense.

marepbm · 05-10-2007, 04:28 AM

[quote=CineFille;15541745]Man, that Lorelai. Can't admit she still loves someone who shut her out for six months and turned a freeze on her after she put all her feelings out there in an embarassing drunken serenade. Won't deign to admit she has feelings for a man she thinks only wnats to be her friend.

I agree. I think since Luke didn't respond to the song, she assumed that he didn't have feelings for her. She kept saying to Sookie and to Rory, that she was trying to figure out how she still felt. She denied that it meant anything in the diner because she was afraid that Luke was embarrassed by it. They do still have communication problems.

Ciaobella · 05-10-2007, 04:29 AM

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I'm confused as to why they went the way they did post-karaoke. Do L/L really, honestly need yet another incidence of miscommunication and hurt feelings? They had a nice little arc building with the apologies, the car fighting in 7.19, the karaoke in 7.20. Why did they have to take it back by having Lorelai not even sure if she even meant anything she said, followed by Luke being hurt for the 20th time this season, followed by a passive agressive L/L discussion? Wouldn't it have been better to just have an interupted conversation or two with L/L where they're both kind of hopeful, but each is reluctant to make the first move and are nervous around each other. They could still have waited until 7.22 for the resolution, but did they really have to make it like this so it feels like Lorelai didn't really mean her karaoke song and that she's only giving Luke a shot again because of a big grand gesture?

IA afn. Remember The Trilogy? It was magical and it worked because the momentum was building forward from LCSHF, to LWFTWT to finally the last scene in R&R. The audience was excited and thrilled to see what happened next for L/L, the sexual tension was revved up, the adoring, shy eyes were touching and it was beautiful.

This time around we get just get more of the miscommunication, denial, cold behaviour that we've had all season. Besides the karaoke singing, I haven't seen any evidence that Lorelai is "head over heels" in love with Luke. I don't know if it's the writing or the acting, but I don't get that Lorelai is still in love with Luke. I wish they even played up some of the "physical longing" between these two, but I don't even feel any "need" or "ache" between them, like I did in the first four seasons. The only thing Luke has seen was someone who was tanked up on tequila and then denying it meant anything, the same old Lorelai who calls him when she needs a new car, whatever. But how can Lorelai NOT see Luke? He put the blue hat back on. He went through all that bother to get her jeep back. She wants emotion from him? Did she SEE the look on his face while she sang to him?

She said she wants emotion and evidence of love. "After all this time, you don't know that?" - she asked Luke. Well after all this time, she doesn't know Luke?

But hey, I guess all this confusion and denial is all worth it for the BIG PAYOFF IN THE LAST FIVE MINUTES OF THE SERIES. The writers forget that we've already had hit the big romantic highs with this couple - The Waltz, R&R, WitS, the S....GT Kiss and the Proposal. The final payoff is supposed to be bigger than all those combined. Not just a moment we should all feel grateful we are getting after all we've been through. Feeling like we survived by the skin of our teeth is not a Happy Ending.