Spoilers - Gilmore Girls~Luke/Lorelai Analysis & Speculation #418~Big Fat Freakin' Kiss - Page 16

marepbm · 05-10-2007, 11:34 AM

I was trying to figure out the timeline between IWALY and when Lorelai goes into the diner. The song is Satuday night, and when Liz is talking to Luke she says that people were talking about it a couple of days ago. So basically Lorelai didn't go into the diner for several days and Luke just let several days go by without any response. I guess I can see why Loreai thought Luke was upset or embarassed by it and so she feels that on his part there are no feelings there. She doesn't want to get her hopes up about that relationship when he doesn't reciprocate.

CineFille · 05-10-2007, 11:40 AM

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I was trying to figure out the timeline between IWALY and when Lorelai goes into the diner. The song is Satuday night, and when Liz is talking to Luke she says that people were talking about it a couple of days ago. So basically Lorelai didn't go into the diner for several days and Luke just let several days go by without any response. I guess I can see why Loreai thought Luke was upset or embarassed by it and so she feels that on his part there are no feelings there. She doesn't want to get her hopes up about that relationship when he doesn't reciprocate.

I think it explains why both of them are hesitant to act and confused about the other's feelings.

lancer1993 · 05-10-2007, 11:40 AM

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I was trying to figure out the timeline between IWALY and when Lorelai goes into the diner. The song is Satuday night, and when Liz is talking to Luke she says that people were talking about it a couple of days ago. So basically Lorelai didn't go into the diner for several days and Luke just let several days go by without any response. I guess I can see why Loreai thought Luke was upset or embarassed by it and so she feels that on his part there are no feelings there. She doesn't want to get her hopes up about that relationship when he doesn't reciprocate.

Well maybe she should act her age and TALK to the guy, she knows how he is, Rory even know, for god sake the whole town probably knows. She needs to talk to him but it looks like she doesn't and it's up to Luke to do another nice thing to show he cares, hey maybe one of the polls hoding up the tent hits her in the head and she finally wakes up!

lkelve · 05-10-2007, 11:43 AM

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You know what I think would have been the most tragic thing of all? If we were never introduced to these characters. I wouldn't trade anything in this series if it meant we never started this journey 7 years ago. For every long lost daughter storyline, there are 10x as many amazing Luke and Lorelai moments. For every bad break up, there are 10x as many awesomely weird pop culture references I probably never would have heard of before this show. For every stupid plot line, there are 10x as many great ones, silly ones, amazing dramatic ones.

Well said. As much as I am opinionated about certain aspects of the show, it has always put a smile on my face at some point in any given episode. Some more than others. I will miss the cast of characters that always made me laugh, the dialogue that made me think, the relationships that made me feel, and the storylines that made me happy. The acting was excellent and it is pretty amazing that this show never lost any members of its supporting cast (except maybe Mia. LOL) Kelly Bishop, Liza Weil, Lauren Graham, Ed Hermann, Milo Ventimiglia, and Scott Patterson will always be my personal favorite TV performances of all time.
This show will have a special place in my heart and I will treasure the DVDs.

marepbm · 05-10-2007, 11:47 AM

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Well maybe she should act her age and TALK to the guy, she knows how he is, Rory even know, for god sake the whole town probably knows. She needs to talk to him but it looks like she doesn't and it's up to Luke to do another nice thing to show he cares, hey maybe one of the polls hoding up the tent hits her in the head and she finally wakes up!

Well if they actually TALKED (both of them) there would be no drama or storyline.

CineFille · 05-10-2007, 11:47 AM

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Well maybe she should act her age and TALK to the guy, she knows how he is, Rory even know, for god sake the whole town probably knows. She needs to talk to him but it looks like she doesn't and it's up to Luke to do another nice thing to show he cares, hey maybe one of the polls hoding up the tent hits her in the head and she finally wakes up!

But Luke could have come to her, too. It seems clear that at least part of him thought she meant something by the song, so why couldn't he take the step to go talk to her?

Gah!! You people are turning me into a Lorelai defender!! How the heck did that happen?

Spikette · 05-10-2007, 11:49 AM

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But Luke could have come to her, too. It seems clear that at least part of him thought she meant something by the song, so why couldn't he take the step to go talk to her?

Gah!! You people are turning me into a Lorelai defender!! How the heck did that happen?

Amen! Why is Lorelai always the one who has to change and is the bad guy?

Welcome to the club, CineFille. We always enjoy new members in the Lorelai defender club. We have worn you into submission. LOL

lilmelodie · 05-10-2007, 11:52 AM

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But Luke could have come to her, too. It seems clear that at least part of him thought she meant something by the song, so why couldn't he take the step to go talk to her?

Gah!! You people are turning me into a Lorelai defender!! How the heck did that happen?

I was wondering the same thing about myself, lol.

Saranoh · 05-10-2007, 11:54 AM

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okay schizo party of 1 speaking. Over my anger now...its just directed at the writers and especially the director. You're blocking sucks

Who WAS the director anyway? And why does he/she still have a job?

That might've been the worst directing I've ever seen. Not kidding.

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Spikette
We always enjoy new members in the Lorelai defender club. We have worn you into submission. LOL

There's also something to be said for the exhileration known as "playing devil's advocate."

clmorrow · 05-10-2007, 12:04 PM

I still understand why Luke would be uber hesitant - besides marrying Chris, she has never said anything more to Luke than it wrong to go to Chris that night - I keep harping on this point but Luke has no idea what happened between her and Chris and really, if I were him, I would be hesitant and cautious after her marrying the guy. I guess I don't understand why people don't seem to think that would be much of an issue for Luke - to me it is one of the biggest issues.

I think he convinced himself it didn't mean anything and when she didn't come into the diner, he really believed it was just a drunken thing. I'm sure that was the whole point of the scene with Liz to have her point out that it wasn't all in his head, half the town noticed it, Liz thought it meant something as so many other people did - and, bam, he starts to believe it did have meaning - bought the necklace, was beaming when he saw her in the diner and WHAM - another redundant, stupid misunderstanding.

The misunderstandings were okay for the first number of year, but after all these years, etc. it really does seem ridiculous to me and makes me think they really shosuldn't be together because this is so screwed up.

I'm only hanging on to L/L because I want to see Luke happy at the end of the series. With Lorelai, I could go either way - don't much are any longer.

lancer1993 · 05-10-2007, 12:04 PM

I just think it's more up to Lorelai. She left Luke. She married another guy. She had yet to really talk about why. Luke has explained about April, asked for help on several occasions to let her back into his life with her.

We have two stubborn character set in their ways and both still hurting from evens of the past year or more.

I'll have to check out the direction by Lee Shallet Chemel this week.

I feel sorry for my new friend at work (also named Lauren) she like many Australians is stuck in the middle of S5, pre WBB and has no idea what is to come, she did call Lorelai "Special" though I don't think she knows how much LOL

currienc · 05-10-2007, 12:12 PM

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Why is Lorelai always the one who has to change and is the bad guy?

I don't think Lorelai is necessarily the bad guy here. But, let's face it. Amy took Lorelai down the rabbit hole in Season 6 and, in my opinion, damaged her character significantly. She went from a funny, upbeat, strong (albeit flawed and immature) woman that everyone was pulling for to a weak, borderline co-dependent, pathetic individual who couldn't seem to make a good decision if her life depended on it - starting, in my opinion, with her handling of the Rory crisis back in Season 5. Even though Amy pretty much sabotaged Luke's character too, she didn't take him down quite so far. And, I think the writers have allowed us to see Luke's inner feelings better than they did Lorelai's (at least from my perspective), which matters as far as telling a story goes.

So, yes, I do want Lorelai to change - back into the Lorelai I understood and respected 2 years ago. Sounds selfish, but there it is. I don't hate Lorelai by any means and never will. But I do miss her. And I sincerely hope that before the end of the finale, we get to at least see a glimpse of her one more time.

Saranoh · 05-10-2007, 12:16 PM

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I guess I don't understand why people don't seem to think that would be much of an issue for Luke - to me it is one of the biggest issues.

I don't think anyone is saying that. But it goes both ways. I can completely understand why Luke is hesitant, but I can understand why Lorelai is hesitant as well.

Spikette · 05-10-2007, 12:23 PM

I often wonder whether Luke and Lorelai are meant to be. Honestly, is a relationship supposed to be so hard? He doesn't let people in and she wants to be in a partnership. These two will probably never have a completely "smooth sailing" kind of relationship because they are so different. Yes, they love each other, but is that enough sometimes? He will always pull away and "get in his head" and she will always be on the needy side. Since we really haven't seen either character change that much, I think they are going to be in for a rocky road. To quote Luke, this whole thing is "lots and lots of work!"

lilmelodie · 05-10-2007, 12:23 PM

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I don't think anyone is saying that. But it goes both ways. I can completely understand why Luke is hesitant, but I can understand why Lorelai is hesitant as well.

I agree. Why do we have to pick sides? Why can't we just agree that they both have made stupid mistakes?