Spoilers - Gilmore Girls~Luke/Lorelai Analysis & Speculation #418~Big Fat Freakin' Kiss - Page 11

Fridaynightdinner · 05-10-2007, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by WandaRose (View Post)

There is so much more to this show than the love lives of these two independent women. This story was originally founded on a mother and daughter bond that could never be duplicated. 7 years ago we were introduced to their whacky ways and the crazy town they were from and in a few days time that will all be over. Stars Hollow and everything it brought us will cease to exist. This will be the last time we see the townspeople banning together to show their love and devotion to their shining star, Rory. It's the last time we'll see Rory and Lorelai sharing wonderful mother-daughter/best friends moments together. It's the last time we'll see Lorelai glowing with pride because of her amazing kid. It's the last time we'll hear their wit and sarcasm. It's the last time we'll see Emily and Richard be Emily and Richard. It's the last time we'll see Kirk and his insane antics. It's the last time we'll see Michel with his thick, crazy accent. It's the last time we'll see Sookie being the crazy chef and best friend that she is. It's the last time we'll get to see the town gossips be town gossips. We get to see Rory go out on the grand adventure we always knew she was capable of going on.

There is so much to say goodbye to. So much we'll never get to experience again. I don't understand dwelling on a few rough bumps in a long line of fabulous stories.

Now i'm crying.

CineFille · 05-10-2007, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by WandaRose (View Post)

There is so much more to this show than the love lives of these two independent women. This story was originally founded on a mother and daughter bond that could never be duplicated. 7 years ago we were introduced to their whacky ways and the crazy town they were from and in a few days time that will all be over. Stars Hollow and everything it brought us will cease to exist. This will be the last time we see the townspeople banning together to show their love and devotion to their shining star, Rory. It's the last time we'll see Rory and Lorelai sharing wonderful mother-daughter/best friends moments together. It's the last time we'll see Lorelai glowing with pride because of her amazing kid. It's the last time we'll hear their wit and sarcasm. It's the last time we'll see Emily and Richard be Emily and Richard. It's the last time we'll see Kirk and his insane antics. It's the last time we'll see Michel with his thick, crazy accent. It's the last time we'll see Sookie being the crazy chef and best friend that she is. It's the last time we'll get to see the town gossips be town gossips. We get to see Rory go out on the grand adventure we always knew she was capable of going on.

There is so much to say goodbye to. So much we'll never get to experience again. I don't understand dwelling on a few rough bumps in a long line of fabulous stories.

Could not agree more

I just don't understand why everyone was swooning over the kiss yesterday and now the show is crap, Lorelai's a selfish b**ch, and the finale is a horrible mess set up strictly to stick it to L/L fans.

GEORGEIII · 05-10-2007, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by WandaRose (View Post)

There is so much more to this show than the love lives of these two independent women. This story was originally founded on a mother and daughter bond that could never be duplicated. 7 years ago we were introduced to their whacky ways and the crazy town they were from and in a few days time that will all be over. Stars Hollow and everything it brought us will cease to exist. This will be the last time we see the townspeople banning together to show their love and devotion to their shining star, Rory. It's the last time we'll see Rory and Lorelai sharing wonderful mother-daughter/best friends moments together. It's the last time we'll see Lorelai glowing with pride because of her amazing kid. It's the last time we'll hear their wit and sarcasm. It's the last time we'll see Emily and Richard be Emily and Richard. It's the last time we'll see Kirk and his insane antics. It's the last time we'll see Michel with his thick, crazy accent. It's the last time we'll see Sookie being the crazy chef and best friend that she is. It's the last time we'll get to see the town gossips be town gossips. We get to see Rory go out on the grand adventure we always knew she was capable of going on.

There is so much to say goodbye to. So much we'll never get to experience again. I don't understand dwelling on a few rough bumps in a long line of fabulous stories.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

I don't give a damn about the craptastic "journey" anymore.

Any guys interested in those two should run for the hills. Fast.

nst · 05-10-2007, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by genki (View Post)

Its not about ll its about how lorelai is being written--badly. Its supposed to be from her pov but her actions make no sense. Its just crap writing. LL and lroelai were better in the past. Motivations made sense. The flaws were not overemphasized but just a part of who she was. Its hard to understand this person and i think a lot of our sympathy comes from the past and the past portrayal of her.

we didn't have to practically rip apart diaglogue for the first five years to understand that lorelai had feelings for Luke now we have to rip it apart because its not plainly sold to us - its frustrating to believe something that is clearly not there - again watch an ep in s3 any ep with luke and lorelai and you will know what i mean - if her journey was to learn not to be implusive fine great journey but lorelai seems just sad and cold to me

caf123 · 05-10-2007, 06:24 AM

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IA afn. Remember The Trilogy? It was magical and it worked because the momentum was building forward from LCSHF, to LWFTWT to finally the last scene in R&R. The audience was excited and thrilled to see what happened next for L/L, the sexual tension was revved up, the adoring, shy eyes were touching and it was beautiful.

This time around we get just get more of the miscommunication, denial, cold behaviour that we've had all season. Besides the karaoke singing, I haven't seen any evidence that Lorelai is "head over heels" in love with Luke. I don't know if it's the writing or the acting, but I don't get that Lorelai is still in love with Luke. I wish they even played up some of the "physical longing" between these two, but I don't even feel any "need" or "ache" between them, like I did in the first four seasons. The only thing Luke has seen was someone who was tanked up on tequila and then denying it meant anything, the same old Lorelai who calls him when she needs a new car, whatever. But how can Lorelai NOT see Luke? He put the blue hat back on. He went through all that bother to get her jeep back. She wants emotion from him? Did she SEE the look on his face while she sang to him?

She said she wants emotion and evidence of love. "After all this time, you don't know that?" - she asked Luke. Well after all this time, she doesn't know Luke?

But hey, I guess all this confusion and denial is all worth it for the BIG PAYOFF IN THE LAST FIVE MINUTES OF THE SERIES. The writers forget that we've already had hit the big romantic highs with this couple - The Waltz, R&R, WitS, the S....GT Kiss and the Proposal. The final payoff is supposed to be bigger than all those combined. Not just a moment we should all feel grateful we are getting after all we've been through. Feeling like we survived by the skin of our teeth is not a Happy Ending.

I concur. Totally.

marepbm · 05-10-2007, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by WandaRose (View Post)

There is so much more to this show than the love lives of these two independent women. This story was originally founded on a mother and daughter bond that could never be duplicated. 7 years ago we were introduced to their whacky ways and the crazy town they were from and in a few days time that will all be over. Stars Hollow and everything it brought us will cease to exist. This will be the last time we see the townspeople banning together to show their love and devotion to their shining star, Rory. It's the last time we'll see Rory and Lorelai sharing wonderful mother-daughter/best friends moments together. It's the last time we'll see Lorelai glowing with pride because of her amazing kid. It's the last time we'll hear their wit and sarcasm. It's the last time we'll see Emily and Richard be Emily and Richard. It's the last time we'll see Kirk and his insane antics. It's the last time we'll see Michel with his thick, crazy accent. It's the last time we'll see Sookie being the crazy chef and best friend that she is. It's the last time we'll get to see the town gossips be town gossips. We get to see Rory go out on the grand adventure we always knew she was capable of going on.

There is so much to say goodbye to. So much we'll never get to experience again. I don't understand dwelling on a few rough bumps in a long line of fabulous stories.

Once again, great post. I was so glad to see the development in Richard's and Lorelai's relationship in the last episode.When he calls her sweetheart I can't help but smile. Lorelai and Emily still need some work, but that is a relationship that will alwys need work. And I know that Lorelai is a flawed character (as is Luke) but that is why I love this show. I wish that L/L had communicated better in the last episode. I just kept waiting for one of them to do something positive. But when I get frustrated I look at the promos for next week.
And I feel sorry for the sophies out there, but I think that Rory was right, and they should have continued dating. I feel She is too young and everyone should experience independence (Emily commented that she had never lived alone when she and Richard seperated). In my mind L/R will get back together after being apart for a few years and find their middle.

lkelve · 05-10-2007, 06:25 AM

Mornin'

Personally, I think Lorelei is acting very much in character in the DC.
She always just reacts, instead of talking or thinking things through.
She doesn't go into the diner and actually TALK to Luke. Instead, she goes to see how it feels, to TEST his reaction. Lorelei is a character who really didn't grow or learn from DSR's so-called "journey."
I would have liked to see some growth in the LL relationship. They should communicate in the last (or second to last) episode, instead of dragging the reunion out for ratings.
As ASP has said in the past, the audience is as smart as you write for them. DSR needs to understand that. The true GG/LL fans would have liked to end the series with a good conversation instead of just a kiss. Honestly, both would be nice.

lkelve · 05-10-2007, 06:27 AM

oh, and PS. the rollercoaster talk in the DC sounds like blah, blah, blah, blah.

DSR - As Michele says, "you are the teacher in a Charlie Brown cartoon."

Nubes · 05-10-2007, 06:29 AM

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the rollercoaster talk in the DC sounds like blah, blah, blah, blah.

Of course it is.The world knows what we´re interested in

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caf123 · 05-10-2007, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by WandaRose

It's going to be over before long so why not at least attempt to enjoy it's final minutes....

Why don't they give us a few final moments to enjoy?

I'm not hacking anything to pieces. Haven't even watched the DC. The ep description told me that the most we'll get is, as Ciaobella said so well, the feeling of surviving by the skin of our teeth.

I still don't know the point of those so-called journeys. It's clear no one learnt anything - it was simply being dragged out to the last possible moment.

You' are welcome to enjoy that. People who don't are entitled to complain about it.

So many loyal fans - the most loyal - invested in a story and a relationship that's ending very far back from where it should have been. It's a relationship a showrunner told us to invest in, to root for, was meant to be, would even suck it up and get married - and instead, we end up with a last-minute reunion kiss. Third time round.

After a dismal year watching one half of that relationship marry another man, endless ILYs and bed scenes and never repudiate it in the end. And having those memories dredged up by last week's concern that that relationship is still friendly and supportive?

I watched this season in hope. It hasn't been fun. I have a sum total of two or three scenes on clips, only a few minutes out of a whole year. Nothing to look back on, rewatch and savor. Why did I watch? Because I was a sucker. To paraphrase Robert Banco, I'd feel better if I hadn't seen this whole year.

So I "at least attempted to enjoy it". And that was a mistake.

People are entitled to complain. So many hopes were encouraged by the showrunners, and in the end, we're left with nothing.

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Originally Posted by lkelve (View Post)

Personally, I think Lorelei is acting very much in character in the DC.
She always just reacts, instead of talking or thinking things through.
She doesn't go into the diner and actually TALK to Luke. Instead, she goes to see how it feels, to TEST his reaction. Lorelei is a character who really didn't grow or learn from DSR's so-called "journey."
I would have liked to see some growth in the LL relationship. They should communicate in the last (or second to last) episode, instead of dragging the reunion out for ratings.
As ASP has said in the past, the audience is as smart as you write for them. DSR needs to understand that. The true GG/LL fans would have liked to end the series with a good conversation instead of just a kiss. Honestly, both would be nice.

Totally agree.

WandaRose, what are "bumps" to you are avalanches that buried the many wonderful memories we hoped to go away with. We only stayed because we'd get them back. The show was a quilt of marvelous characters and scenes - but, you tear up too many squares, you're left with shreds that don't connect together any more. And that, too, is a shame.

nst · 05-10-2007, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ciaobella (View Post)

IA afn. Remember The Trilogy? It was magical and it worked because the momentum was building forward from LCSHF, to LWFTWT to finally the last scene in R&R. The audience was excited and thrilled to see what happened next for L/L, the sexual tension was revved up, the adoring, shy eyes were touching and it was beautiful.

This time around we get just get more of the miscommunication, denial, cold behaviour that we've had all season. Besides the karaoke singing, I haven't seen any evidence that Lorelai is "head over heels" in love with Luke. I don't know if it's the writing or the acting, but I don't get that Lorelai is still in love with Luke. I wish they even played up some of the "physical longing" between these two, but I don't even feel any "need" or "ache" between them, like I did in the first four seasons. The only thing Luke has seen was someone who was tanked up on tequila and then denying it meant anything, the same old Lorelai who calls him when she needs a new car, whatever. But how can Lorelai NOT see Luke? He put the blue hat back on. He went through all that bother to get her jeep back. She wants emotion from him? Did she SEE the look on his face while she sang to him?

She said she wants emotion and evidence of love. "After all this time, you don't know that?" - she asked Luke. Well after all this time, she doesn't know Luke?

But hey, I guess all this confusion and denial is all worth it for the BIG PAYOFF IN THE LAST FIVE MINUTES OF THE SERIES. The writers forget that we've already had hit the big romantic highs with this couple - The Waltz, R&R, WitS, the S....GT Kiss and the Proposal. The final payoff is supposed to be bigger than all those combined. Not just a moment we should all feel grateful we are getting after all we've been through. Feeling like we survived by the skin of our teeth is not a Happy Ending.

omg you nailed it and it was perfect and painful - these writers just have no clue and i finally think lg had enough and yes the ache is gone for their scenes and her yelling at luke again in the street just proved that

Tom08 · 05-10-2007, 06:49 AM

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Nice thought

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Saranoh · 05-10-2007, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ciaobella (View Post)

IA afn. Remember The Trilogy? It was magical and it worked because the momentum was building forward from LCSHF, to LWFTWT to finally the last scene in R&R. The audience was excited and thrilled to see what happened next for L/L, the sexual tension was revved up, the adoring, shy eyes were touching and it was beautiful.

This time around we get just get more of the miscommunication, denial, cold behaviour that we've had all season. Besides the karaoke singing, I haven't seen any evidence that Lorelai is "head over heels" in love with Luke. I don't know if it's the writing or the acting, but I don't get that Lorelai is still in love with Luke. I wish they even played up some of the "physical longing" between these two, but I don't even feel any "need" or "ache" between them, like I did in the first four seasons. The only thing Luke has seen was someone who was tanked up on tequila and then denying it meant anything, the same old Lorelai who calls him when she needs a new car, whatever. But how can Lorelai NOT see Luke? He put the blue hat back on. He went through all that bother to get her jeep back. She wants emotion from him? Did she SEE the look on his face while she sang to him?

She said she wants emotion and evidence of love. "After all this time, you don't know that?" - she asked Luke. Well after all this time, she doesn't know Luke?

But hey, I guess all this confusion and denial is all worth it for the BIG PAYOFF IN THE LAST FIVE MINUTES OF THE SERIES. The writers forget that we've already had hit the big romantic highs with this couple - The Waltz, R&R, WitS, the S....GT Kiss and the Proposal. The final payoff is supposed to be bigger than all those combined. Not just a moment we should all feel grateful we are getting after all we've been through. Feeling like we survived by the skin of our teeth is not a Happy Ending.

The karaoke scene told me all I needed to know about Lorelai's feelings for Luke.

**Lindsay** · 05-10-2007, 06:55 AM

Thanks for the thread, genki.

Great post, CineFille. I agree.

**Katiegg108** · 05-10-2007, 06:57 AM

Am I like the only one that liked the DC? I watched it before checking in here and I really liked it, only to start reading everyone's negative takes on it.

It's so clear in it that Lorelai's not truly over him when she says that she is. She has to feel frustrated, though, so it makes perfect sense to me why she's complaining. Luke probably feels the same way as her. They apologized and fought. She asked him for help with the car, he gave it to her. She sang the song. They both seem to think that they did enough to show the other how they feel, and are waiting for the other to reciprocated, but they're getting nothing. Luke showed in ep. 21 that he's waiting for HER to do something about the song, when he talked to Liz. Lorelai feels like the song was her doing something and is now waiting for HIM to do something.

WE know they want to be with each other, but they're both hurt and feel like the other doesn't feel the same way. I cannot see either of them ever openly admitting to anyone that they want to be together and putting themselves out there like that until one of them, without a doubt, knows the feelings are reciprocated. They're too scared to let themselves get set up for major disappointment, again, after last week, after the last year. So, as Lorelai showed, they even tell themselves that they don't want it. That's why it'll take the party, and Luke, even indirectly, showing how much he loves her, for Lorelai to think that maybe she can actually take the leap of faith here, again.

I agree it's crappy writing to have them going in circles here again. I'm not going to go into some anti-Lorelai rant about it, though, since it's perfectly fitting with what we've seen in the last few episodes, IMO.

I'm just hoping Rory can get her call about the new job in the first 15 minutes, so we can have lots of party time for the Emily/Lorelai, Townie, and LL stuff, and not have all of the party and the final scene crammed into the last 10 minutes.