Spoilers - Gilmore Girls ~ Luke/Lorelai Analysis & Speculation #404 - Page 9

lancer1993 · 04-30-2007, 04:32 PM

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I wish they could make her whole again. sigh.

Maybe a bit of Luke will help.

What is scary is thinking about what DSR might have planned for the 13 eps of S8.

If we get it we also have to wonder will it be over this year, so before winter hiatus. Or will the CW drag it out till Feb or May and if they do will DSR have to write the SL to fit, so long breaks and have winter about epo 5-6-7?

OT - Yes I now I was gonna lurk but there is nothing much happening today here. Did I say how much I like this job

lancer1993 · 04-30-2007, 04:48 PM

CW11 Seattle: Home Page

Has the promo on it's site, nothing new but I can't listen.

FYI if you go into IE after the clip has finished it should be in the temp files folder. Or on FireFox use the downloadhelper.

BTW - it also have the VM promo for those who may want to see it.

cassievalentine · 04-30-2007, 04:52 PM

Season 6 is painful, I watched it three times in a row when I rented the DVD's and it didn't get any easier, even though I knew they were going to find their way back to each other. I must admit, however, that I find it interesting to watch the LL relationship fall apart, just because it was such a roll reversal for them.

Tara Ashley · 04-30-2007, 05:11 PM

I think there are some very classic episodes in season 6...Twenty-One is my favorite! And then Friday Night's Alright for Fighting, The Prodigal Daughter Returns and a few others...but the season as a whole is definitely painful to watch.

ETA: Watch Deal or No Deal...my family and I are in the audience

GGAva · 04-30-2007, 05:15 PM

Thanks for the link Craig

Anyone who wants to download. CLICK

lancer1993 · 04-30-2007, 05:29 PM

I wanted to upload it but I can't remember my pass word and YouTube won't work on this PC!

But as I said it's saved in IE as a WMV so once you know where to look you can just copy it to another folder outside the IE temp on.

Interesting they are using the "5 new eps" for VM but now something similar for GG. Maybe a good sign

Shu · 04-30-2007, 06:33 PM

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I am just pretending that there was never supposed to be a journey, because whatever they were trying to do flew mostly over my head. I have been loving the last few episodes, so in my mind, we were in hiatus until somewhere around I am kayak. At least as far as Lorelai's story goes. It works for me. Hee.

i love your thinking

episodes 703-714 don't exist. Chris is not the man lorelai wants to want. He was just a one-night mistake (shortest marriage in history 24hrs

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lancer1993 · 04-30-2007, 06:52 PM

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i love your thinking

episodes 703-714 don't exist. Chris is not the man lorelai wants to want. He was just a one-night mistake (shortest marriage in history 24hrs

)

Doesn't count if it was never legal

and that's lunch!

stephrox · 04-30-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tara Ashley (View Post)

I think there are some very classic episodes in season 6...Twenty-One is my favorite! And then Friday Night's Alright for Fighting, The Prodigal Daughter Returns and a few others...but the season as a whole is definitely painful to watch.

ETA: Watch Deal or No Deal...my family and I are in the audience

IA!
BTW i watched Deal or No Deal tonight! I felt so bad for the girl lol How is the show though? Fun, crazy?

lancer1993 · 04-30-2007, 07:54 PM

We have a local version of Deal or No Deal here.

I got nothing to say, wow it's quite, are we all resting for tomorrow nights ep?

El286 · 04-30-2007, 07:54 PM

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I have to agree with this.

Really, really nice explanation, Mag. That's totally what they've shown, what she did and what the result was. What's still missing is the why. It's like all this happened to her, and we can see it but Lorelai still doesn't see it, or realize. We still don't know why, we don't understand how she could go so far wrong - and she still doesn't think it was wrong:
And this is where my head hurts. For a woman who was always so independent and loyal - what happened? And even if she gets her heart back, when will she get her brain back?

I wish they could make her whole again. sigh.

I just wanted to say that I agree with you on the "why." DR did a very bad job at showing why Lorelai needed to explore things with Christopher or why they weren't meant to be. I know people say that DR's big problem was that he ignored the fans. I don't exactly think that's true. I think his problem was that he tried to please the fans too much. There was an interview recently with him I think where he said (or one of the other writers said) "before we got Chris and Lorelai married, we knew we were going to get them divorced."

In other words, he was on board with most fans: "Luke and Lorelai are meant to be, Chris is not the man for her, and I have no intention of changing my mind on any of these points." So, why did he have Chris and Lorelai date and marry?

I think he believed he was staying true to ASP's vision of the show. I don't believe Partings was a vindictive move on her part. I think at one point she saw Chris as Lorelai's potential destiny, and even after deciding Lorelai should be with Luke, felt that she had spent enough time setting up the Christopher-Lorelai "possibility" that it needed some kind of thorough exploration and resolution. (She did say that if she'd known David Sutcliffe would be available in Season 5, she wouldn't have put L/L together yet.) And she was determined to go back and tell that C/L story once DS was available. That's why she wanted the two season guarantee (because as we've all seen, telling the story in a rushed way wouldn't work). Putting Lorelai in Christopher's bed in Partings was just a dramatic way (which she probably wouldn't have used if she'd had her two seasons) of ensuring that whoever was going to take her place next year would have to tell the Christopher-Lorelai story she wanted.

That's why DR felt he had no choice but to explore a Christopher-Lorelai relationship. He was just doing what he thought was the best way of staying true to Amy's story--putting Chris and Lorelai together as adults and having her realize that Luke was the one after all. The problem is, he seems to have had some idea (probably from living in Hollywood too long

) that the best way of finding out whether you want to be married to a person is to marry them. Dating didn't cut it in his mind, for some reason I haven't figured out.

But more than that, I got the sense that he never thought through why Chris and Lorelai might not be destined to end up together. I actually don't have a problem with a storyline where Lorelai and Chris explored things and then she went back to Luke, but it 1) should never have included marriage because marriage is not "exploration", it's permanent; 2) had to show Lorelai (hard as that might be for fans to bear) genuinely falling back in love with Chris and really having unresolved feelings for him, to show why she really needed to explore things with him 3) had to have very good explanations for why they weren't meant to be.

But DR didn't think outside the box. He was just "Lorelai can't truly love anyone but Luke, but we'll have her go down this detour because, you know, ASP wants this story told and DS has his 13 episode contract." His problem wasn't that he was being too creative or deviating too much from ASP's original story, but that all the while he was writing Lorelai with Chris, he was attempting to stay "true" to the fans by indicating that way, way, deep down inside, Lorelai prefers Luke and Chris eventually has to see it. The story wasn't poorly told because Luke and Lorelai are perfect together so why is she with this loser Chris, it's because DR never bothered thinking of Chris as a real option or even an option that Lorelai might want. I don't know how to explain it any better, but if he was truly dead set on having Chris and Lorelai explore things and not end up together, he had to follow the guidelines I listed above for it to make sense. Doing otherwise was just torturing fans by having Lorelai make decisions that weren't true to his conception of what she believed inside.

ETA: In my opinion DR didn't need to enormously "redeem" Chris as a father or persuade fans that he was a great guy in order to write a "C/L explore things and don't end up together" story. He didn't have to get fans rooting for Chris unless he wanted to write Chris as an option equal or better to Luke. He could have written Chris as being this bad option that Lorelai falls back on when she's under stress, and she needs to date (not marry) him to realize just what a bad option he is. DR just had to come up with a credible reason why Lorelai really needed to date (not marry) Chris.

Saranoh · 04-30-2007, 08:05 PM

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had to show Lorelai (hard as that might be for fans to bear) genuinely falling back in love with Chris and really having unresolved feelings for him, to show why she really needed to explore things with him.

I kind of disagree with this. I agree that Lorelai fell in love with Chris, but I think the feelings were rekindled. I don't think she was in love with him while she was with Luke. I never got the impression that Lorelai HAD to explore things with him. But just that that was the path she chose after she and Luke fell apart. I do agree she had some unresolved feelings for Chris, but I don't think they were about true love. I think they were about her sudden need for a safety net and her inability to let go of her past. JMO

mary55 · 04-30-2007, 08:11 PM

Gee, only 8 posts in 3 hours. C'mon people we're slipping.

Very nice analysis, EL.

I don't think DR had to stay true to ASP's vision. Once she left, her vision was gone. DR had power to do anything he wanted with the sl. I have no objection to the path he took, as far as exploring the L/C relationship, but 13 episodes was way too much time wasted. At best we'll get 13 episodes next season which is not enough time to give us the closure we want.

Saranoh · 04-30-2007, 08:31 PM

Chris killed the thread.

ArleneAM · 04-30-2007, 08:42 PM

great post I also agree that Lorelai did not have to marry Chris to explore her feelings.. I think the marriage proposal in Paris should have jolted Lorelai BACK into reality .. that is when things should have started to turn around for them. He should have made the diner guy comment then. His throwing money around to help the town should have annoyed her.
WE should have seen Lorelai torn between needing to talk to Luke. When talking to Sookie we should have heard her comparing Luke and Chris.
All of this would have shown the growth and journey we were told would happen.

The concept was good the execution was HORRIBLE and PAINFUL to watch for long time fans. Once again if this had happen back in season 3 or season 4 or (IMHO) right after WBB then it would have ALL made pefect sense.