Spoilers - Gilmore Girls ~ Luke/Lorelai Analysis & Speculation #404 - Page 10

victorialeigh · 04-30-2007, 08:51 PM

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I think he believed he was staying true to ASP's vision of the show. I don't believe Partings was a vindictive move on her part. I think at one point she saw Chris as Lorelai's potential destiny, and even after deciding Lorelai should be with Luke, felt that she had spent enough time setting up the Christopher-Lorelai "possibility" that it needed some kind of thorough exploration and resolution. (She did say that if she'd known David Sutcliffe would be available in Season 5, she wouldn't have put L/L together yet.) And she was determined to go back and tell that C/L story once DS was available. That's why she wanted the two season guarantee (because as we've all seen, telling the story in a rushed way wouldn't work). Putting Lorelai in Christopher's bed in Partings was just a dramatic way (which she probably wouldn't have used if she'd had her two seasons) of ensuring that whoever was going to take her place next year would have to tell the Christopher-Lorelai story she wanted.

Partings was nothing but a vindictive move by ASP in retaliation for not getting a contract and nothing more. Christopher as an option stopped the minute Lorelai fell in love with Luke. The only time this sl had a valid time to air was in Season 2. The second that Lorelai fell in love with Luke his potential was gone. He was a teenage fling, nothing more than a piece of fluff no substance He was just the last guy she dated in highschool, the last guy she dated before she became pregnant at 15. After experiencing real adult love anything she had with Christopher would pale in comparison. The story was a farce from the beginning. The reason it wasted so many episodes to tell was because there wasn't a single part of it that was believable. DR dropped the ball on this one, he was stupid if he in fact did believe it had to be told, because all it did was waste time and lose over a million viewers. If he had in deed been a fan of the show as he stated he would have seen that the possibility of Christopher was only there because Lorelai didn't know what real love was and once she did he would never have been an option.

Saranoh · 04-30-2007, 08:52 PM

It was very painful, but whatever. I refuse to continue living in the past.

cassievalentine · 04-30-2007, 08:59 PM

I really don't think Partings was a vindictive move. ASP was/is one of those show creators who has the ENTIRE series mapped out in her mind. I'm more than certain that she had a plan as to how things were going to work out, but because the negotiations failed, she took her ball and went home without telling anyone her plan. I mean, if she had the last 4 lines or whatever of the series planned, she had to have known, at least in broad strokes, how everything in between was going to play out.

I really don't think that ASP would be vindictive enough to give a big FY!! to the fans like that. She had a plan and when the network shat on her, she didn't fill any one else in. I wouldn't be surprised if she was planning on using future show plans as a bargaining tool.

I also thing that What's His Name has done a pretty ok job this season, though I will reserve complete judgment until I've seen the entire season. Yeah, the whole C/L married story line sucked, but, I think it flowed well. I have a feeling that when the season is watched in its entirety, things won't look as bad. I'll admit, the dialog wasn't really up to where it usually is, but the character development was nice. Again, I'll reserve a detailed analysis of this until I've watched the whole season again in its entirety.

Feel free to start yelling/screaming/kicking me out of the club now.

Shu · 04-30-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cassievalentine (View Post)

I really don't think Partings was a vindictive move. ASP was/is one of those show creators who has the ENTIRE series mapped out in her mind. I'm more than certain that she had a plan as to how things were going to work out, but because the negotiations failed, she took her ball and went home without telling anyone her plan. I mean, if she had the last 4 lines or whatever of the series planned, she had to have known, at least in broad strokes, how everything in between was going to play out.

I really don't think that ASP would be vindictive enough to give a big FY!! to the fans like that. She had a plan and when the network shat on her, she didn't fill any one else in. I wouldn't be surprised if she was planning on using future show plans as a bargaining tool.

I also thing that What's His Name has done a pretty ok job this season, though I will reserve complete judgment until I've seen the entire season. Yeah, the whole C/L married story line sucked, but, I think it flowed well. I have a feeling that when the season is watched in its entirety, things won't look as bad. I'll admit, the dialog wasn't really up to where it usually is, but the character development was nice. Again, I'll reserve a detailed analysis of this until I've watched the whole season again in its entirety.

Feel free to start yelling/screaming/kicking me out of the club now.

there is no club....despite what some may think. I sort of agree with you but I also agree with VL. I think it was a vindictive thing on her part. But, I also do not condemn DR for what he tried to do. It was just a bad story to tell...why? Because Chris is Rory's dad and the specter of him being a deadbeat would always follow any potential they may or may not have as a couple. There is also the fact that 2 seconds ago she was engaged to another man. So, I choose to believe that dr wanted lorelai too look like she lost her minds.

commodore · 04-30-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cassievalentine (View Post)

I really don't think Partings was a vindictive move. ASP was/is one of those show creators who has the ENTIRE series mapped out in her mind. I'm more than certain that she had a plan as to how things were going to work out, but because the negotiations failed, she took her ball and went home without telling anyone her plan. I mean, if she had the last 4 lines or whatever of the series planned, she had to have known, at least in broad strokes, how everything in between was going to play out.

Not really. We actually got a spoiler circa midseason last year that ASP had changed course from her original plan and "all bets are off." Plus, the network forced her hand in late season 4, Lane only hooked up with Zach because Adam Brody left, and Logan apparently wasn't going to be a long-term love interest for Rory until they cast Matt Czuchry and everybody loved him. And apparently the whole "Rory joins the DAR" storyline was born when ASP couldn't sign Melanie Griffith and have her play that storyline. ASP may have been a planner, but that plan had the potential to change, and often did change, due to behind-the-scenes factors. I'm not saying that Partings was definitely an intentional "**** you" after ASP didn't get her contract, but the "ASP has a plan" theory doesn't really hold up in light of the show's history.

aussiekate · 04-30-2007, 09:12 PM

If DR did drop the ball I think he has picked it up and regained his hand-eye coordination because the past few episodes have been so much fun to watch. I am finally looking forward to Tuesdays instead of dreading them. Thankyou DR....at last!!

Saranoh · 04-30-2007, 09:14 PM

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So, I choose to believe that dr wanted lorelai too look like she lost her minds.

Well, at least his plan worked.

So, Lorelai sings tomorrow? Should be fun.

cassievalentine · 04-30-2007, 09:15 PM

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Not really. We actually got a spoiler circa midseason last year that ASP had changed course from her original plan and "all bets are off." Plus, the network forced her hand in late season 4, Lane only hooked up with Zach because Adam Brody left, and Logan apparently wasn't going to be a long-term love interest for Rory until they cast Matt Czuchry and everybody loved him. And apparently the whole "Rory joins the DAR" storyline was born when ASP couldn't sign Melanie Griffith and have her play that storyline. ASP may have been a planner, but that plan had the potential to change, and often did change, due to behind-the-scenes factors. I'm not saying that Partings was definitely an intentional "**** you" after ASP didn't get her contract, but the "ASP has a plan" theory doesn't really hold up in light of the show's history.

Well, at least it looks like she HAD a plan at some point. Oh well, no matter what anyone says, I refuse to believe that she would sabotage her own show just to launch a big SCREW ALL Y'ALL!! at the fans/network. It's very counter productive to her career to get the reputation that if things don't go her way, she'll screw you over.

voncey · 04-30-2007, 09:17 PM

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So, I choose to believe that dr wanted lorelai too look like she lost her minds.

And he would know. (That was totally mean, I know!)

Anyway, I do think Partings was a big F/U to the studio and to the fans. Amy didn't get her way so blew up the show. I agree that Christopher stopped being an option when Lorelai fell in love with Luke and certainly after WBB. The Lorelai I used to know and love would never forgive Christopher to the point of actually dating and marrying him. Not after the way he behaved that night. And as far as we know, he never actually apologized for it and for believing that the night in Partings was "amazing" (who says that??), so I'm going to continue hating him for being the big useless deadbeat that he is.

Saranoh · 04-30-2007, 09:20 PM

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And he would know. (That was totally mean, I know!)

Anyway, I do think Partings was a big F/U to the studio and to the fans. Amy didn't get her way so blew up the show. I agree that Christopher stopped being an option when Lorelai fell in love with Luke and certainly after WBB. The Lorelai I used to know and love would never forgive Christopher to the point of actually dating and marrying him. Not after the way he behaved that night. And as far as we know, he never actually apologized for it and for believing that the night in Partings was "amazing" (who says that??), so I'm going to continue hating him for being the big useless deadbeat that he is.

I still say we should go with the excuse that in season 6, there was something in the water. Lorelai just consumed a lot more of it than Luke did, and that's why it's taken her so much longer to recover.

aussiekate · 04-30-2007, 09:22 PM

I think Melissa McCarthy saying that she was shocked when she read the finale script for Season 6 and that she would have never imagined Lorelai would do a thing like that says an awful lot about ASP and her motives. YMMV.

Saranoh · 04-30-2007, 09:24 PM

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I think Melissa McCarthy saying that she was shocked when she read the finale script for Season 6 and that she would have never imagined Lorelai would do a thing like that says an awful lot about ASP and her motives. YMMV.

When did she say that?

aussiekate · 04-30-2007, 09:25 PM

If I remember correctly (and by that I mean don't take it as gospel LOL) it was at the CW launch.

lancer1993 · 04-30-2007, 09:31 PM

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great post I also agree that Lorelai did not have to marry Chris to explore her feelings.. I think the marriage proposal in Paris should have jolted Lorelai BACK into reality .. that is when things should have started to turn around for them. He should have made the diner guy comment then. His throwing money around to help the town should have annoyed her.
WE should have seen Lorelai torn between needing to talk to Luke. When talking to Sookie we should have heard her comparing Luke and Chris.
All of this would have shown the growth and journey we were told would happen.

The concept was good the execution was HORRIBLE and PAINFUL to watch for long time fans. Once again if this had happen back in season 3 or season 4 or (IMHO) right after WBB then it would have ALL made pefect sense.

I agree an dif she had not gone on that stupid trip to that stupid town with the stupid church and the stupid flowers. Coming back home engeged might have been the reality check she needed!

victorialeigh · 04-30-2007, 09:39 PM

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I really don't think Partings was a vindictive move. ASP was/is one of those show creators who has the ENTIRE series mapped out in her mind.

ASP originally thought of it as a 7 yr. plan (thus the 7 yr contracts) culminating in Rory's graduation. She had planned for a Christopher sl in season 3 but when DS was not available she changed the plan and because the characters evolved the Christopher sl just did not make sense anymore especially after Luke.