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Old 04-22-2007, 11:54 AM
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this might not go with the concersation but I could totally L/L getting married in the town square. I need them to get married before the show ends or i will die
I am so with you there... These two need to suck it up already. Arg....sometimes I wish LL were secondary characters cause seriously they'd be married with like 3 kids by now if they were.
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Old 04-22-2007, 11:54 AM
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FYI, attempts to lighten the mood and snarky humour are always appreaciated by me. I could whip up a few limericks if I have to, but they might offend some of you lol.
Go right ahead. I am all for some limericks. lol
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Old 04-22-2007, 11:57 AM
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Morning, any new spoilers, did we get the L&L kissing photos yet?

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actually i was the one talking about the psychological bus. I think that before this season there was a heck of a lot more sympathy for lorelai. But, partings and the chris marriage changed that for a lot of people. Those who were once fervant lorelai defenders could no longer bring themselves to defend the character.

Frankly, I find that I have more sympathy for lorelai in the second half of this season than I had for her in the second of season 6. Now, thats what I call ironic. As for agreeing people on this thread haven't not since season 5. For nearly a year there was that stupidity with the Zen Cruiser.
Oh sorry for the mix up Genki! But sympathy changing and all that? I don't see the relation to the psychological bus ... even if I would have no sympathy for a character that still doesn't mean that character is not tossed under that bus, it might bother me less ... but the tossing would still occur. I have sympathy for both of them. Both of them I feel were never out to hurt each other, but yeah did end up doing that because of despair, being scared, ill-equiped, hurt and all. Never out of spite or something.
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Old 04-22-2007, 12:02 PM
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this might not go with the concersation but I could totally L/L getting married in the town square. I need them to get married before the show ends or i will die
I won't die if I don't see it. I've been imagining the teaser of 8.01 picking up with Luke and Lorelai returning from that summer boat trip, and Luke saying "Welcome home, Mrs Danes".
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Old 04-22-2007, 12:04 PM
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If there is to be a wedding for LL, I would like for it to be on screen. They have both had weddings/elopements behind the scene - and I would like to think that the on screen wedding/elopement was left for us (the viewers) to see. But then again, I have to remind myself that the writers don't care and we are usually the ones that are screwed. Back to my point, if there's an LL wedding/marriage - I'd like to see it as opposed to hearing about it later.
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Old 04-22-2007, 12:05 PM
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Oh sorry for the mix up Genki! But sympathy changing and all that? I don't see the relation to the psychological bus ... even if I would have no sympathy for a character that still doesn't mean that character is not tossed under that bus, it might bother me less ... but the tossing would still occur. I have sympathy for both of them. Both of them I feel were never out to hurt each other, but yeah did end up doing that because of despair, being scared, ill-equiped, hurt and all. Never out of spite or something.
Oh I think you misunderstood me. I don't think its the characters throwing each under the bus. My argument is tha the Writers have been throwing Luke under an emotional bus from day 1. I don't think Lorelai did anything to intentionally hurt luke--she wouldn't. I think she is just fragile and something just snapped in her. That snapping was partially Luke's fault and partially her own. I really wish that in this SL they had her only date Chris than realize the mistake. I still think her marrying anyone so quickly after the luke breakup was a bad idea. I guess I think there are so many other roads that they could have taken. I don't hate the writers but I do think that they should have had their viewing spree before they laid out the years stories.

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Oy no no. We need to see the LL wedding. I think it would be the perfect way to wrap up the show. Have them get married in the second to last episode. The last episode would be that huge unusal family sitting altogether for FND
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I won't die if I don't see it. I've been imagining the teaser of 8.01 picking up with Luke and Lorelai returning from that summer boat trip, and Luke saying "Welcome home, Mrs Danes".
Oh, please no, lol. We don't need Luke quoting anything Christopher may have said. How about just "Welcome home." and Lorelai says something like "And back as Mrs. Danes. I like it."
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Old 04-22-2007, 12:08 PM
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No offense, but Lorelai has rarely been thrown over the psychological bus. At the end of the day, the writers sympathy rolls right back around to her. We are given insight to her emotions, her state of mind. We begin to understand why she does what she does. Maybe because she is one of the lead characters but I don't buy that. I have seen many a show that have given depth and insight into characters that might normally be considered minor and fleshed them out. I think luke has been one thats always been given a sort of mystery. We don't really know all that much about him. We seem him through lorelai's eyes. But, somehow during that road the writers forget that they did show us a little about him. We as an audience learned to love luke if not as much as lorelai pretty darn close. I think lorelai and luke could have worked through their issues if their had been no running to chris. But to me its far greater than that. Yes, luke has to prove some things to lorelai but its not out of the ordinary. Regular couples go through that sort of thing everyday. I hate to generalize but sometimes men are just dumb. They tend to compartmentalize to their own detriment. Yes, luke will have to prove that he is over that and has changed. But, by marrying someone in such a short period of time lorelai makes it look like that she never cared about him although we as an audience know it not to be true. A couple can move beyond one person shutting the other out because thats about coping skills and communication. But, when one does something that makes it look like the whole duration of the relationship was no more than biding time while the right guy was ready than its that person that has to explain how thats not the case. We talk about actions speaking louder than words. Luke's actions made it look like he couldn't handle being married to lorelai, but lorelai's actions said "I NEVER LOVED YOU"

So, now its up to both of them to show the other that neither of these things are true.

I simply cannot equate luke's shutting lorelai out to what she did. If she wanted to move on fine. There's moving on and there's doing what she did.
I agree, especially with the last line, this is why while I love Lorelai I was on TEAM LUKE for so long. Someone had to be on his side!
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Old 04-22-2007, 12:15 PM
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If there is to be a wedding for LL, I would like for it to be on screen. They have both had weddings/elopements behind the scene - and I would like to think that the on screen wedding/elopement was left for us (the viewers) to see. But then again, I have to remind myself that the writers don't care and we are usually the ones that are screwed. Back to my point, if there's an LL wedding/marriage - I'd like to see it as opposed to hearing about it later.
I'm putting my money down now, any L&L wedding in S8 will be in the final (or very close to the final) A winter theme in about ep 13!
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Old 04-22-2007, 12:19 PM
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The more I think about it the more I think Lorel ai should have fallen into bed with someone other than Chris at the end pf partings. Jason or Max heck even ALEX ( the guy who like to fish very short romance..) would have made more sense. Especially Max since she almost married him ...
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Old 04-22-2007, 12:24 PM
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The more I think about it the more I think Lorel ai should have fallen into bed with someone other than Chris at the end pf partings. Jason or Max heck even ALEX ( the guy who like to fish very short romance..) would have made more sense. Especially Max since she almost married him ...
The way it was set-up was stupid anyway. We're really supposed to believe that Chris was oh so conveniently at FND the same night that Lorelai had given up hope on marrying Luke? And we're supposed to believe that Emily all of a sudden cares about Chris's love life? PUH-LEEZE I wonder if ASP was competing for the contrivance award?
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Old 04-22-2007, 12:24 PM
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Genki, I do agree there could have been many other roads taken than marrying Chris ... I think there was definitely some appeal to the writers for a couple of reasons and I do get that. Lorelai finally doing what her parents always wanted. Luke and Lorelai both having been married and both having that kid I believe a divorce is pretty damn final and shows there will be no going back, so that wonderful possibility is forever done with. It imo also shows the nature of Lorelai (the running and not dealing) and the huge impact the Luke relationship (well the ending) had on her, completely trying to ignore the existence of anything related to him including her feelings and therefor doing what she so badly wanted to do with Luke, jumping!

But yeah, true, some of these options could have been done without an actual marriage. But somehow I feel this made the message stronger. Because even when married and I felt really not wanting to fail at this, she still couldn't convince Chris and in the end herself that she didn't want Luke. And gotten into this for the wrong reasons, namely hiding from Luke and feelings of hurt.

About the throwing under the bus, I thought you meant that Luke was tossed under that bus more than Lorelai ... and somehow connected that with the writers explaining Lorelais POV more. I feel both have had their share and regardless of one of the two getting more screentime to understand their motivations, under that bus she still ended up on occasion

And I agree about Lorelai and the snapping part. I think she has never been as strong as some perceived while watching this show. I believe she has always been strong in her role as a mom and yeah had a good work ethic and all, but when it came to her own emotions I agree with the word fragile you used. And I guess that is something why I also feel Luke and Lorelai are a perfect match. Both don't seem to think so highly of themselves and I feel that definitely helped create the mess in the latter part of Season 6. What I mostly hope to see is them both being more sure of themself, more at ease and all ... and if so and once they are back together, they might for the first time truely realise what one means to the other. Because I have never felt they really have felt that. I think it is hard to feel really loved and believe you are really loved when you don't really love yourself. I know, a cliché ... who was it on GG that said something about that, but well, doesn't make it less true to me ...
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Old 04-22-2007, 12:25 PM
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Lorelai should've only fallen into her own bed at the end of "Partings"!

Devastated, crazed, heartbroken, but HER bed only.
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Old 04-22-2007, 12:29 PM
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The more I think about it the more I think Lorel ai should have fallen into bed with someone other than Chris at the end pf partings. Jason or Max heck even ALEX ( the guy who like to fish very short romance..) would have made more sense. Especially Max since she almost married him ...
Honestly, I liked Max. I could have bought that because its been made obvious that she doesn't love max. With Chris there was far too much baggage and for this viewer his lack of role in rory's life will forever taint my view of him.
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