Spoilers - Gilmore Girls ~ Luke/Lorelai Analysis & Speculation #377 - Page 17

ABitStormy · 04-07-2007, 05:08 PM

I agree with CineFille and Saranoh (and others I'm sure) on this one. I've come to accept (months ago) that all we're likely getting is a last minute reunion. And I'm okay with that now. The way I see it, is that if after all of this has happened, after April and Christopher and elopements in Paris to other people, if they give it one more try, that's security enough for me. After everything they've gone through, trying this again is a huge thing. It would be so much easier to just give up. But to be able to work past this stuff and forgive and move on tells me they've got a strong enough connection and dedication and new sense of commitment to the relationship to keep it from falling apart again. JMO, of course.

So yes, there was other stuff we would've liked to see. But like CineFille said, I'm not going to be bitter about it and let it taint the end of the show and the stuff we do get. I'm really excited about the last five episodes. And I think we're lucky, actually. We had a lot of good moments in the early years. We had two seasons (at least one that's enjoyed by mostly everyone) of them actually together, and we're likely having them together at the end of the series, too. Which is something a lot of shippers end up not getting (for example, as it appears, the RL shippers). So I'm happy with what we're getting. I think I'll feel fine about them when the season/series ends.

I would have liked them to get married and live happily ever after during the course of the show, of course, but in television these days that's just not realistic.

caf123 · 04-07-2007, 05:08 PM

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This is a television show. Luke and Lorelai were most likely going to face roadblocks and most likely not going be together permanently before the end of the series. Even if Lorelai had never gotten involved with Christopher there would have been other plot devices to keep L/L apart until the end. That's SOP in series television.

We watched this show because it wasn't standard fare. At least, I did.

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And FWIW, "Youre the man I want to want" is what told me that C/L are finally, truly, dead and buried.

All that's buried is the marriage. I agree she probably won't marry him again. She's likely to turn to him again, though. He'll "be in their lives" now, as she told Rory.

Luke and Lorelai will never weather a single roadblock together. What makes you think they can? That leap of faith that was so successful before?

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There are not too many main tv couples that have not had the entire universe thrown at them before they got their happy ending. I realize that we thought ASP was above this, but she wasn't.

Just one small problem. This isn't a happy ending.

It's a two-minute dialogue. OK, maybe 10 minutes. Whatever. It takes place in 722 - and, well, they need to leave some time for the esteemed Christianne Amanpour. Not to mention Rory, E/R, and anyone else we might also want to say good-bye to.

Saranoh · 04-07-2007, 05:12 PM

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She's likely to turn to him again, though. He'll "be in their lives" now, as she told Rory.

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You really believe that Lorelai would go to Chris romantically again? I don't. I'm convinced that that's dead and buried. "In their lives" just means that they'll see each other at events for Rory once in awhile. Just like the Luke/Anna relationship(only amicable). It doesn't mean that they'll be hanging out alone together. I doubt Lorelai would get romantically involved with him again since she now KNOWS that she can't be married to him.

CineFille · 04-07-2007, 05:13 PM

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We watched this show because it wasn't standard fare. At least, I did.

All that's buried is the marriage. I agree she probably won't marry him again. She's likely to turn to him again, though. He'll "be in their lives" now, as she told Rory.

Luke and Lorelai will never weather a single roadblock together. What makes you think they can? That leap of faith that was so successful before?

Just one small problem. This isn't a happy ending.

It's a two-minute dialogue. OK, maybe 10 minutes. Whatever. It takes place in 722 - and, well, they need to leave some time for the esteemed Christianne Amanpour. Not to mention Rory, E/R, and anyone else we might also want to say good-bye to.

If this is the way you (or anyone else) feels, you might as well stop watching the show right now. You certainly won't be able to enjoy anything that happens in the last five episodes.

If you do, though, I think you'll be missing a lot.

lancer1993 · 04-07-2007, 05:19 PM

I'm over the anger phase, that went with the start of this season, knowing what DSR had planned and seeing the crap unfold. I'm going with the flow now and just hoping for the best. I do like we know (unless they change it) that L&L will be together and "romantic" so I guess that is getting me through this season.

IMO the biggest mistakes this season was the length of time L&L spent apart, Lorelai still not in the diner and the crapy SL Rory and Logan have gone through. Oh and the lack of town stuff in the first half of the season.

I feel DSR is rushing to make-up now. This feels like a 2 year SL cut short.

Javalava86 · 04-07-2007, 05:21 PM

Looking ahead to the remaining episodes, and what we know so far spoiler-wise, i honestly can't see them fitting in a wedding. As much as it sucks and aggrevates me to no end, i just can't see it happening. If there will be a season 8, i could definitely see it. A LL wedding needs to be planned episodes ahead, leading up to it. They just don't have the time to do it, we don't even know what episode they officially get back together!

The writers royally screwed us over big time this season. And if there is a season 8, I really hope they make a turn around and hire some new people!

Saranoh · 04-07-2007, 05:21 PM

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This isn't a happy ending.

It is for me.

Ciaobella · 04-07-2007, 05:24 PM

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This is a television show. Luke and Lorelai were most likely going to face roadblocks and most likely not going be together permanently before the end of the series. Even if Lorelai had never gotten involved with Christopher there would have been other plot devices to keep L/L apart until the end. That's SOP in series television.

Since when does a television show spend so much time showing the audience how a couple are NOT ready to get married, spend seven years of nothing but obtacles and then say, oops, ran out time, sorry, we can't get them married cos well Heh, there really isn't enough time cos we spent it proving how this OTHER guy really isn't the one for her, so will you take this consolation prize instead? Cos you know, to show a wedding would be unrealistic. UNREALISTIC. Are they for real? NOW they worry about being unrealistic? I don't think that SOP for a seven year series. And I'm betting when the critics get down with the finale, they won't think so either.

Maybe I'm just bitter because I think DSR so callously gambled this whole season on the chance he'd get another one to wrap L/L appropriately. I don't need to see them as a married couple. I don't need to see little flannel babies. That stuff IS the stuff of fanfic.

I just want the realization of that scene that was shown to us in Season 2, episode 2: Luke and Lorelai standing under the chuppah. I never saw a show that depended on anvils and symbolism and foreshadowing to tell it's story. But there it is folks. That's the wedding scene we are going to get.

Ironically, as caf pointed out to me, ASP told us back in S6 that we would see all the twists and turns and zigzags of getting them to the altar. Who knew it would be Lorelai and Chris' altar she was talking about.

stephrox · 04-07-2007, 05:24 PM

Caf i think u make a great points and i totally understand how you feel. The most we'll get is a few kisses and convos between them. I guess we'll just have to accept that it may be all we are getting.

caf123 · 04-07-2007, 05:25 PM

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The writers didn't forget anything--in fact, they have been quite conscious of show (and L/L) history all season. They just didn't tell the story we wanted them to tell, and people are not going to be happy with them no matter what happens from here on out.

Huh? What were they conscious of? That "Luke was the only man she ever really loved". That Christopher was "never not stupid" or that Rory knew his promises meant "there's a 50-50 chance it will happen".

Oh, I see - they remembered that Lorelai refused to get married without Rory there. [/snark].

Or they remembered Luke was "the one" and she didn't want to marry Larry?? Is that what all her ILYs to Christopher told us.

It's not only about missing the story so many fans wanted to see, that was actually interesting. It's taking a show about a single mother and a daughter - and neglecting all the child-parent and family interactions. For heaven's sake, they had DS for over half a year and they didn't even bother about his relationship with Rory.

As Stephrox said so well, DR opted for a story that destroyed Lorelai, taught her nothing, repudiated her lifelong dedication to the daughter she raised, turned this once-loyal woman into a skank - and now, while the Sophies wait for Logan's proposal to destroy that relationship, we wait to see her stand next to Christopher as they together cheer their daughter's commencement.

Yes, Christopher should be there. For Rory. Most divorced parents attend their children's life events as separate individuals. Christopher didn't even raise or participate in any part of Rory's life.

It's not only about completing the story that interested fans and would have left us with good memories of knowing these characters. It's about forcing down our throats a story that repudiates the good that came before.

CineFille · 04-07-2007, 05:25 PM

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The writers royally screwed us over big time this season. And if there is a season 8, I really hope they make a turn around and hire some new people!

The writers didn't "screw over" anyone. The only real mistake DR made was overestimating his chances of getting an eight season and planning a two-year story. He didn't get an additional season (or at least it seems he's not going to get it), but that does not mean that he's incompetent or that he set out to screw over a particular fanbase.

Saranoh · 04-07-2007, 05:30 PM

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Most divorced parents attend their children's life events as separate individuals.

The difference here is that L/C are on amicable terms. They don't hate each other and never will. It's not like they're going as "dates." And I don't see Chris as a worthless loser, so I'll never think that marrying him "destroyed Lorelai" or "turned her into a skank."

Ciaobella · 04-07-2007, 05:31 PM

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The writers didn't "screw over" anyone. The only real mistake DR made was overestimating his chances of getting an eight season and planning a two-year story. He didn't get an additional season (or at least it seems he's not going to get it), but that does not mean that he's incompetent or that he set out to screw over a particular fanbase.

No Cinefille, he just didn't care. I don't think L/L fans are *just* a particular fanbase either. We are the biggest fanbase, seven years in the making. We were good enough for TPTB to consider when they used L/L to grab huge ratings during Sweeps period and Cliffhangers, season after season.

And now that it's over they just don't care. They got their syndication rights and DVD profits. Luke was right, See Yah Suckers.

eta: I know many many divorced parents who are amicable and still attend their children's functions separetely. I really think DSR and AP have no idea how the real world works. It happens every day. Just because you procreated at sixteen years old doesn't mean you have to be joined at the hip the rest of your life.

CineFille · 04-07-2007, 05:34 PM

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Huh? What were they conscious of? That "Luke was the only man she ever really loved". That Christopher was "never not stupid" or that Rory knew his promises meant "there's a 50-50 chance it will happen".

Oh, I see - they remembered that Lorelai refused to get married without Rory there. [/snark].

Or they remembered Luke was "the one" and she didn't want to marry Larry?? Is that what all her ILYs to Christopher told us.

It's not only about missing the story so many fans wanted to see, that was actually interesting. It's taking a show about a single mother and a daughter - and neglecting all the child-parent and family interactions. For heaven's sake, they had DS for over half a year and they didn't even bother about his relationship with Rory.

As Stephrox said so well, DR opted for a story that destroyed Lorelai, taught her nothing, repudiated her lifelong dedication to the daughter she raised, turned this once-loyal woman into a skank - and now, while the Sophies wait for Logan's proposal to destroy that relationship, we wait to see her stand next to Christopher as they together cheer their daughter's commencement.

Yes, Christopher should be there. For Rory. Most divorced parents attend their children's life events as separate individuals. Christopher didn't even raise or participate in any part of Rory's life.

It's not only about completing the story that interested fans and would have left us with good memories of knowing these characters. It's about forcing down our throats a story that repudiates the good that came before.

Again, if this is the way you guys are determined to look at what's happened, you are going to make it impossible to enjoy anything good that does happen as the show ends. I'm opting to look forward to the good L/L moments we already know are coming and the happy ending they'll get in 7.22

And all this circling of trees is making me dizzy, so I'm out.

Javalava86 · 04-07-2007, 05:35 PM

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The writers didn't "screw over" anyone. The only real mistake DR made was overestimating his chances of getting an eight season and planning a two-year story. He didn't get an additional season (or at least it seems he's not going to get it), but that does not mean that he's incompetent or that he set out to screw over a particular fanbase.

Well, being a strong LL fan, I personally feel he did. Like stephrox said above which i totally agree with, Lorelai's character was destroyed this season as well as 6 years of LL history in the making. I never said DSR was incompetant i just feel like this season was a disappointment for LL (despite obvious reasons). As a "show runner," he should have anticipated the fact that they might not get an 8th season and planned so accordingly. The show isn't young, so the possibility of the show ending is greater.

ETA: Ciaobella ITA