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Old 03-14-2007, 09:46 AM
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Thanks for the thread Craig ( better late than never I guess)
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It may be that DSR is going for that "old reliable"; Introduction (7.18), Development (19,20,21), and Resolution (7.22)
IA GEORGE. And depending on whether they already know the show's fate, the resolution will work as either a Cliffhanger or a Happily Ever After.

Whether or not it works for me is another story.
I think you've both nailed it.

If it's a cliffhanger (with season 8 confirmed) it'll work for me.
Happily ever after, series finale - not so much.


ETA - from the Futon Critic (LINK): SAM I AM (ABC) - "Gilmore Girls" co-star Melissa McCarthy has been cast in the comedy pilot, about a woman with amnesia (Christina Applegate) who has to rediscover her life. She'll play a former friend of Applegate's character who reappears in her life. While not specified, McCarthy's involvement is likely in second position to her duties on "Girls."
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Old 03-14-2007, 10:45 AM
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While this is not exactly pertenent to the spoilers. Here is something that hopefully will get to Genki...in case she has missed it....Apple - Trailers - Waitress . Keri kicks all sorts of ass in that trailer. Also, the GIRLS, seemingly have cost Melissa and Scott some money. I hope they are paid for their inconvience.
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Well, interesting . . . my infamy precedes me. OTOH, I did say that I don't generally post to MBs because, well, I like to swear a lot, so I try to respect the rules of MBs to that extent by staying away from them when I Hulk out, which is most of the time.

AAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway . . .

* I'd be totally fine with a "soft landing" for LL at the end of this or any other season as, well, I've always seen them more as a Goldie 'n' Kurt type of couple. Marriage would just get in the way of their relationship. And has. Marriage would be the end of the show, but them nevertheless reconciling and having twins, not so much.

* Interesting that MA was so ambiguous in the vodcast. He could be foisting a red herring again. With Gg at such a critical point in their contract renegotiations, it's very likely that LG's lack of comment to him doesn't have anything to do with the BFF rumor at *all.* I mean, he was joking/talking in this week's AA about sending her a fruit basket for her birthday on Friday, and I don't think he'd be so conciliatory if LG were the MIA BFF. Plus, he gets too much Gg scoopage in general. So I think LG's rep's "I'll get back to you" had much more to do with the renegations than it had to do with anything else -- because the most logical question to ask her in such an interview would be "Have you guys signed the freakin' contracts for s8 yet?" And if the talks are still going (even if just for AB), she can't answer that question OTR yet.

* I know it's likely that Wrongda's report about DSR looking for other work is likely the same old CYA that MM and MC and SP did and that he's gonna be back next year, but OTOH, Rebecca Rand Kirshner has so far written more episodes than he has and IMO has a better handle on the characters (and David Babcock a better handle on dialogue) than he does, so maybe he could be handing off the reins of the show to RRK, who, after all, has been with the show for three years now (Or he could be handing it off to any combo of RRK, LG and/or staff director LSC.) And certain pilot deals have started falling apart due to a drought of showrunners. I think he's done about as good a job as could be expected given the corner that ASP had painted the show into when she left. Maybe he's only got one year's worth of the show in him. No reason why someone couldn't be promoted from within to run the show again. Heck, they did it at *least* twice with Angel after Greenwalt left.

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I find it interesting how chaotic "pilot season" is. It must be hard for showrunners (and networks) to do casting and planning for new shows not knowing exactly who's going to be available when so many people are attached to shows that may or may not be coming back.
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While this is not exactly pertenent to the spoilers. Here is something that hopefully will get to Genki...in case she has missed it....Apple - Trailers - Waitress . Keri kicks all sorts of ass in that trailer. Also, the GIRLS, seemingly have cost Melissa and Scott some money. I hope they are paid for their inconvience.
aww jason, thanks

Keri is just such an amazing actress.
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:34 AM
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Rob I absolutely agree about RRK possibly taking over if DR leaves. He has not impressed me and like you said, he hasn't written much himself. That doesn't mean he doesn't supervise, he is the show runner after all, but he just doesn't impress me. I much prefer RRK.

Is it April yet? It does look like we get a season L/L ending which could work at both a season and series ending. But that doesn't mean they wont get back together before now does it? It could end with Luke proposing and Lorelai accepting. End of show= happy together. End of season= happy and moving on. In my book that would totally work.
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Rob I absolutely agree about RRK possibly taking over if DR leaves. He has not impressed me and like you said, he hasn't written much himself. That doesn't mean he doesn't supervise, he is the show runner after all, but he just doesn't impress me. I much prefer RRK.

Is it April yet? It does look like we get a season L/L ending which could work at both a season and series ending. But that doesn't mean they wont get back together before now does it? It could end with Luke proposing and Lorelai accepting. End of show= happy together. End of season= happy and moving on. In my book that would totally work.
I don't think enough people are giving DR credit. I like him. I think that had he not been there to leaf through the script, RRK might have come up with another Kropogs. She's good, but I think that DR is talented enough to see talent and let the person run to it. Being a good showrunner is not just about being the best "Writer"

Its about being a leader. I think DR has that. I think fans for this show are too freaking fickle. A lot of people are easy to let ASP off the hook but are super hard on a man whose had a mess fall on his lap and has done a good job. I know I am alone and I usually shut up about DR. But, Frankly I would rather watch another DR show than ASP one cause I think he tries to write story arcs rather than just quippy dialogue. Luke is different. Yes, he is. He's better. He's also letting lorelai finally open up her pretty little eyes and abandon her fantasies of chris. Making your main character do stupid things (although it may fit her personality) is a risk. He has taken risks that have been left to him by a certain lady who loved to piss off her fans. He doesn't disdain people who watch the show. He's telling a story that he was sort of forced to tell. But, he could have let luke be the same curmegeon who was afraid of committment. Instead he's embracing life and hurt and learning to let go of it.
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Thanks for the debate spoiler, ciao! That's interesting... but I agree that that also sounds like classic LL banter, but hey, I'm definitely okay with that!! That's a huge part of the show that's been MIA this entire season, actually pretty much since this time last year. So, having good ol' LL back will make the show that much more enjoyable
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I actually defend DR most of the time. I had a whole rant about giving him a chance and how he has done fairly good with what he was handed. Yes he was handed a mess, but I just feel that if this is the last season we have spend so much time on so little. Yes Luke might have changed, I love Luke but I loved him before as well. I welcome this change in him but I also believe that it is the same Luke we have seen all along. But being a parent has opened a new side to him. It was just a side that was never there before because he wasn't a dad until last season. Did that make sense? Would I pick DR over ASP? not sure because ASP did give me over 6 years of great tv. I wont hate it if DR stays nor do I want ASP back. (not that that is an option anyway.) In TLM DR did great and I hope that him writing 718 will show me that he is capable of GG writing.

And despite my strong dislike for Chris I can see the point of them exploring the L/C story so to finish it off and for Lorelai to be completely free of him. I just never bought the marriage and her forgiving him for 20+ years of not being there for his daughter. And that story was all DR's doing. Maybe being a show runner isn't about being a good writer.. I just don't completely agree. I think the number of different writers this season it to blame for the inconsistency in good dialog and good narrative sl's. JMHO of course.
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I actually defend DR most of the time. I had a whole rant about giving him a chance and how he has done fairly good with what he was handed. Yes he was handed a mess, but I just feel that if this is the last season we have spend so much time on so little. Yes Luke might have changed, I love Luke but I loved him before as well. I welcome this change in him but I also believe that it is the same Luke we have seen all along. But being a parent has opened a new side to him. It was just a side that was never there before because he wasn't a dad until last season. Did that make sense? Would I pick DR over ASP? not sure because ASP did give me over 6 years of great tv. I wont hate it if DR stays nor do I want ASP back. (not that that is an option anyway.) In TLM DR did great and I hope that him writing 718 will show me that he is capable of GG writing.

And despite my strong dislike for Chris I can see the point of them exploring the L/C story so to finish it off and for Lorelai to be completely free of him. I just never bought the marriage and her forgiving him for 20+ years of not being there for his daughter. And that story was all DR's doing. Maybe being a show runner isn't about being a good writer.. I just don't completely agree. I think the number of different writers this season it to blame for the inconsistency in good dialog and good narrative sl's. JMHO of course.
I just ranted cause I always see so many people being so hard on DR. I think he's doing a pretty good job. I think he made some early mistake but thats what people do when they are new at a job. How many of us have totally messed up in the first few weeks in a new job. I think being a showrunner encompasses more than just writing. You have to guide a team of writers, a crew, and actors. You have to be a mentor. Thats a lot to deal with. I think lorelai's attitude towards chris was there from the beginning. She always forgave him. I think ASP laid the groundwork for that. I suppose I do think he made some minor mistakes but we he has done right outweighs. ITs easy to say someone sucks cause you don't like what they are writing. But, its another to go off on the writing when ASP wasn't all that awesome at it. She created some great characters but I think she benefited a lot from her husband and his writing talents. ASP was amazing with dialogue but she was a poor plotter. I think DP was her balance. They were a writing team. IF you look at his work on Family guy its obvious that he brought more to gg than he was ever credited with doing.
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I too am in the camp of those who want to be fair to DR...ASP pissed me off so badly! She broke her beloved show ON PURPOSE and left it. It screams tantrum to me....She basically said to the WB...if you won't give me what I want I will break it and then see what you can do with it. So DR was in a horrible position. DR also doesn't seem to have the same hangup regarding emotional intimacy that ASP did. I don't we will have to wait months to hear I love you, like we have done in the past.

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I don't think enough people are giving DR credit. I like him. I think that had he not been there to leaf through the script, RRK might have come up with another Kropogs. She's good, but I think that DR is talented enough to see talent and let the person run to it. Being a good showrunner is not just about being the best "Writer"

Its about being a leader. I think DR has that. I think fans for this show are too freaking fickle. A lot of people are easy to let ASP off the hook but are super hard on a man whose had a mess fall on his lap and has done a good job. I know I am alone and I usually shut up about DR. But, Frankly I would rather watch another DR show than ASP one cause I think he tries to write story arcs rather than just quippy dialogue. Luke is different. Yes, he is. He's better. He's also letting lorelai finally open up her pretty little eyes and abandon her fantasies of chris. Making your main character do stupid things (although it may fit her personality) is a risk. He has taken risks that have been left to him by a certain lady who loved to piss off her fans. He doesn't disdain people who watch the show. He's telling a story that he was sort of forced to tell. But, he could have let luke be the same curmegeon who was afraid of committment. Instead he's embracing life and hurt and learning to let go of it.
I agree. It's been a frustrating season and there are a few episodes that I don't care to ever watch again, but for the most part I have enjoyed this season and I think that he has done a good job actually writing a story. They are saying less, but at the same time they are saying more. Also, I was starting to tire of Amy's way of never resolving things. She was great at making things worse, but her resolutions were always non-existent.
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I just ranted cause I always see so many people being so hard on DR. I think he's doing a pretty good job. I think he made some early mistake but thats what people do when they are new at a job. How many of us have totally messed up in the first few weeks in a new job. I think being a showrunner encompasses more than just writing. You have to guide a team of writers, a crew, and actors. You have to be a mentor. Thats a lot to deal with. I think lorelai's attitude towards chris was there from the beginning. She always forgave him. I think ASP laid the groundwork for that. I suppose I do think he made some minor mistakes but we he has done right outweighs. ITs easy to say someone sucks cause you don't like what they are writing. But, its another to go off on the writing when ASP wasn't all that awesome at it. She created some great characters but I think she benefited a lot from her husband and his writing talents. ASP was amazing with dialogue but she was a poor plotter. I think DP was her balance. They were a writing team. IF you look at his work on Family guy its obvious that he brought more to gg than he was ever credited with doing.
Oh I agree that ASP laid a lot of the ground work. In my ranting, many weeks ago, I did mention that even though ASP gave us a lot of good stuff she also gave us bad/boring episodes throughout the seasons. Which is why I said that comparing s1/s3 etc to s7 is not fair on DR. Just because you might not agree with what he has done its unfair to compare in that way. But me not being impressed with DR is not only the stories that has been told this season. I just don't feel he knew what to do and kinda just tried but didn't quite succeed. There has been good eps this season, for sure, but unfortunately the number of really great eps are limited and the number of random stories that never really took off and was over before they began are just too many in my opinion. Again, I think DR is doing what he can. It is not an easy show to run thats for sure. Not matter what he does there are people out there ready to shoot him down. And I don't think thats is fair. I wont mind him staying on. I just won't be overly upset if he leaves either.

ETA: I guess I have a very critical mind. I have no beef with DR as such. Perhaps I am not giving him enough credit... Also, I am sorely lacking in skills of expressing myself in the right way. I blame it on English not being my mother tongue. heh
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