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Old 03-14-2007, 05:54 PM
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That dress is just plain UGLY and WRONG. I hope she gets a beautiful new one next year!
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Old 03-14-2007, 05:59 PM
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IMHO Luke is being written as a cipher so as not to tip the surprise aka "Lore let's just be friends, you'll always be in love with Chris and I won't wait, be for now, or second choice."

Lore was set up with her choice: Luke her "Friend" who was always there for her but lacked status, charm, wealth, etc. and Chris who had a lifetime of disappointments but was rich, charming, smooth etc.

Of course Lore chose the wrong guy, of course it messed up her life, of course she's far more like her mother than she thinks. And of course Chris will be there at the worst time (DS has two more appearances this season right) because she herself made him into this massive threat.

How can L/L work as a romantic couple with Chris coming back? Considering Lore has seven onscreen years of choosing Chris over Luke? IMHO Lore is a heck of a lot more interesting wanting (Luke) and never being able to have him (because she chose Chris).

Otherwise all the time and effort DR put into Chris and Lore is wasted. What if the fallout of the Lore and Chris marriage was that Luke no longer loved Lore? That she was just his friend? That Luke merely thought of Lore the way Lore thought of him S1? If Lore carried around something Luke gave her for years? That IMHO would be interesting. And if I were LG I'd jump at the chance to portray a woman wanting the one guy she can't have.

ETA: what does Chris have? Money, status, smoothness, etc. Things that are important to Lore because she picked them up from Emily genetically and environmentally. Lore might deny it but in her own way she's a monumental snob. Emily's DAR trophy wife existence would be Lore's nightmare, but in altered form, jetting around to Davos and hobnobbing with Maddy Albright and and Brad and Angie and Kofi Annan "saving the world" etc. Lore's dream come true. Which was Chris's appeal. Rich enough and connected enough to wrangle an invitation to Davos or a Paris spur-of-the-moment wedding. Luke? Well he's been the exploitable "friend" for over a decade. Lore probably figured he'd always be her emotional support while Chris provided romance. Be funny if Luke drew lines around their relationship and 7.22 ended with Lore looking on as Luke dates a new girl. Her version of paint date.
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Old 03-14-2007, 06:02 PM
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That dress is just plain UGLY and WRONG. I hope she gets a beautiful new one next year!
ITA!!!!
That dress makes Lauren look fat and ugly, two things she is not. Lorelai deserves the dress of a Princess.

As I didn't watch the first half of season 7 (I didn't watch until TWIMC), can someone tell me what happened to the dress? Did she burn it or do you think it's still in the closet buried with her Luke boxes?
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Sara and others, great posts! I like seeing other people's take on this whole mess.

Has anyone else besides me gotten sick of trying to come up with a rationale for Lorelai's actions and explanations that makes sense to you?

I've just gotten so frustrated with how everything CL from like ep. 3-15 was handled and continues to be handled. I agree with Ciao that "it wasn't right" doesn't even begin to make the whole Christopher marriage worth it from a "Lorelai's Journey" outlook. Why wasn't it right? She's riding it off as not working for the same reasons that she dismissed so many other relationships, even her engagement to Luke. What did she even learn about herself? About Chris? About Luke? There were episodes upon episodes of us watching her be totally devoted to Chris, then it was all of a sudden gone because it "wasn't right"? What's changed? I've been hoping we'll get something deeper from her about how she felt about everything since Partings or even since French Twist, and her explaining what she's realized... but my expectations on that front are so low.

I used to be able to make these big long posts about why Lorelai was doing what she was doing, and make sense of it all. But it's like I can't anymore. I can't even get into Lorelai's head because I haven't understood a single thing she's done for months now.

Negative rant over.
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Sara and others, great posts! I like seeing other people's take on this whole mess.

Has anyone else besides me gotten sick of trying to come up with a rationale for Lorelai's actions and explanations that makes sense to you?

I've just gotten so frustrated with how everything CL from like ep. 3-15 was handled and continues to be handled. I agree with Ciao that "it wasn't right" doesn't even begin to make the whole Christopher marriage worth it from a "Lorelai's Journey" outlook. Why wasn't it right? She's riding it off as not working for the same reasons that she dismissed so many other relationships, even her engagement to Luke. What did she even learn about herself? About Chris? About Luke? There were episodes upon episodes of us watching her be totally devoted to Chris, then it was all of a sudden gone because it "wasn't right"? What's changed? I've been hoping we'll get something deeper from her about how she felt about everything since Partings or even since French Twist, and her explaining what she's realized... but my expectations on that front are so low.

I used to be able to make these big long posts about why Lorelai was doing what she was doing, and make sense of it all. But it's like I can't anymore. I can't even get into Lorelai's head because I haven't understood a single thing she's done for months now.

Negative rant over.
I just don't understand why an explanation is even needed. The relationship wasn't right. Lorelai finally figured that out. What more do we need to know? From 7.10 onward, we saw why it wasn't right. We saw that Lorelai wasn't all in from 7.11 and even 7.12. Why can't that be enough? Why does there need to be some cosmic reason that the relationship failed? I think Lorelai said enough when she told Chris that she "wants to want him." That confirms that she doesn't want him. I don't think we were ever supposed to feel that this was all worth it, and I think that's true to life. Sometimes people just mess up. Not everything has some grand payoff.

Katie, why does it have to make sense? Everyone does stupid things that don't make sense sometimes. Accepting that is HOW I make sense out of Lorelai's actions. I think people are trying too hard in attempting to apply logic to something non-sensical.

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Old 03-14-2007, 06:13 PM
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I think we all are worried about how they are going to tie the pretty package of Lorelai Gilmore with a bow and present her to Luke. It's the wrapping paper and the bow that we need to figure out- i.e. What can she do or say to have this all make sense to him? I think we sort of need to go with the flow. Accept the past, and watch with an open mind. We're got 5 episodes left this season and hopefully there will be a light at the end of the tunnel and we can watch Luke and Lorelai unwrap in the end!
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I think we all are worried about how they are going to tie the pretty package of Lorelai Gilmore with a bow and present her to Luke. It's the wrapping paper and the bow that we need to figure out- i.e. What can she do or say to have this all make sense to him? I think we sort of need to go with the flow. Accept the past, and watch with an open mind. We're got 5 episodes left this season and hopefully there will be a light at the end of the tunnel and we can watch Luke and Lorelai unwrap in the end!
I honestly don't think that Luke is going to have nearly as much trouble with this as we are. I think he'll just forgive Lorelai, and then they'll try again. I don't think he'll be looking for something to make everytthing make sense. Because it never will. I don't think anything is going to be wrapped up in a nice little bow.
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Old 03-14-2007, 06:25 PM
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I agree with you Saranoh, I just think that Luke is the only person that needs to like how they "wrap it up". We the viewers are just going to have to accept that L&L understand and that we may never understand. Luke has to like the package and the bow. We need to see how she presents herself to him to get him to like it.
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Old 03-14-2007, 06:28 PM
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I honestly don't think that Luke is going to have nearly as much trouble with this as we are. I think he'll just forgive Lorelai, and then they'll try again. I don't think he'll be looking for something to make everytthing make sense. Because it never will. I don't think anything is going to be wrapped up in a nice little bow.
Well, nothing in life ever is wrapped up in a nice little bow. There are always things leaking out and it gets messed up. It's how they deal with that that makes a difference.
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Old 03-14-2007, 06:29 PM
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I agree with you Saranoh, I just think that Luke is the only person that needs to like how they "wrap it up". We the viewers are just going to have to accept that L&L understand and that we may never understand. Luke has to like the package and the bow. We need to see how she presents herself to him to get him to like it.
I have a feeling that it's all going to be completely mutual. No one is going to force Luke to reunite with Lorelai.
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Old 03-14-2007, 06:32 PM
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I hope they show Luke hesitating at least a little. Like he said in season 4, she's "lots and lots of work!"
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I just don't understand why an explanation is even needed. The relationship wasn't right. Lorelai finally figured that out. What more do we need to know? From 7.10 onward, we saw why it wasn't right. We saw that Lorelai wasn't all in from 7.11 and even 7.12. Why can't that be enough? Why does there need to be some cosmic reason that the relationship failed? I think Lorelai said enough when she told Chris that she "wants to want him." That confirms that she doesn't want him. I don't think we were ever supposed to feel that this was all worth it, and I think that's true to life. Sometimes people just mess up. Not everything has some grand payoff.

Katie, why does it have to make sense? Everyone does stupid things that don't make sense sometimes. Accepting that is HOW I make sense out of Lorelai's actions. I think people are trying too hard in attempting to apply logic to something non-sensical.
Maybe I'm just someone that likes to put logic to everything. I like things to make sense, it's how I deal with things, I give them a rationale. I guess that's why vague reasonings like, "it wasn't right" just don't seem to cut it for me. I still can't wrap my mind around it all. I can't figure out if she's even learned anything about herself beyond that her and Chris aren't right over the last 17 episodes.

But if its just me that thinks there should be more of an explanation from her then I must just be missing something.
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Maybe I'm just someone that likes to put logic to everything. I like things to make sense, it's how I deal with things, I give them a rationale. I guess that's why vague reasonings like, "it wasn't right" just don't seem to cut it for me. I still can't wrap my mind around it all. I can't figure out if she's even learned anything about herself beyond that her and Chris aren't right over the last 17 episodes.

But if its just me that thinks there should be more of an explanation from her then I must just be missing something.
I doubt it's just you. In fact I'm sure that I'm in the minority. And shouldn't we give Lorelai a bit more time? I'm sure Lorelai will learn about herself, but that will be in hindsight. And didn't we see that the marriage wasn't right? Why do we need it to be spelled out for us?
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I hope they show Luke hesitating at least a little. Like he said in season 4, she's "lots and lots of work!"
If they show a Luke that's true to his character, they just have to; Luke maybe all friendly with Lorelai at this time, but another romantic involvement is a different matter; Luke knows perfectly well, after all, what Lorelai did with Chris on the same night she broke up with him without telling him.
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