Spoilers - Gilmore Girls ~ Luke/Lorelai Analysis & Speculation #354 - Page 10

tazzded · 03-14-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Saranoh (View Post)

I can't agree with this. Lorelai seemed very much in love with Luke in WBB and of course SS.

Do we really need a full explanation for why the C/L marriage "wasn't right?" I think she made it pretty clear(even though it was subtle) that she didn't love him enough. Sure the talk with Sookie was a bit contrived, but it got the point across. The fact that Lorelai didn't deny that Chris was her second choice also spoke volumes to me. I just think she loved Luke and Chris differently. She loved Chris in that intensely romantic yet VERY teenage and shallow way. That's why she was so affectionate with him. She loved Luke in a very "married way." She was in love with him and it was profoundly deep. If Lorelai was to say, "I'm not in love with you Christopher," I don't think it would be completely true. It's just not the deep love a wife should have for her husband. Plus, I really don't think Lorelai seemed genuinely happy in GB. Like at all. I just think that was the episode where she was going to completely "dive in" with Chris and truly take the plunge. I think that was where she decided to fully commit to him, but she didn't seem in love with him to me. As for being giggly? That says nothing to me. Lorelai has always been giggly around Chris simply because they have a very teenage relationship.

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vaso · 03-14-2007, 04:15 PM

Yes you can keep dreaming that this is how it's going to happen. And who said that girls like people like dopey? A deadbeat father that appears when he wants to get in Lorelai's pants and forgets all about his daughter!!!

mary55 · 03-14-2007, 04:17 PM

I believe, it was a forecast of their future journey, leading from the chuppah to the chuppah again ( hope!), the journey containing them getting married with other people, to find the way to each other finally. We can ask the same question: was Luke's marriage with Nicole really needed? Was Lorelai's marriage necessary? But they built a balance....

Let's hope that's the way things are heading. The chuppah is still around.

clmorrow · 03-14-2007, 04:20 PM

The fact that all this "journey" for Lorelai so far as yielded is "it just wasn't right" about the C/L marriage rather than "man, where the hell was my head when I wandered off the cliff?" - I mean, what has been shown that shows any growth or realization on the part of Lorelai after this nonsense with Chris other than her telling Chris "I jumped?" - I've seen absolutely nothing.

Her relationship with Emily is status quo - she has always been shown throughout the seasons to make some effort with Emily that Emily then ends up treating cavalierly - from Lorelai taking care of Gran's funeral arrangements and Emily only commenting on Lorelai's shoes, to Lorelai showing up with the DVD player so her mom could watch her fave movies, etc. There's so many times, that Lorelai made some attempt only to be shut down with Emily's coldness - the last scene in the motel room seemed nice but I don't hold out any hope that will be longlasting.

Lorelai was still acting the same - not wanting Emily to come on the trip and then not wanting Emily to come to the wedding - what has changed with that relationship? What has changed with Lorelai at all at this point? I just don't see it.

Saranoh · 03-14-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikette (View Post)

I think when Lorelai was with Christopher, she was the adult in the relationship. It was like watching two teenagers. I think she realized though that when she had to she could be a mature responsible adult and Christopher never had that side to him. He was a child 24/7. With Luke, he was more of an adult then she was. She could act silly and he would reel her in before she went over the edge. She knew he was dependable and she could count on him always. She could relax. She could never do that with Chris. She did her silly bit with him and Chris was silly right along with her. But that was all he was good for. Silliness, fun and laughing; always on the surface but never any substance, maturity, etc. Luke would enjoy the silliness but never dish it out back to her. He loved that about Lorelai. But Luke was someone who on a deeper level loved her. He didn't need to be like her...he GOT her and appreciated her but he didn't act like her. Lorelai could be silly but Luke balanced her out.

Does that make sense to anyone?

I agree. I also think that we have to look beyond the surface. On the surface, Lorelai might appear that she was more happy with Chris. But I don't think that's the case. She could laugh and giggle and be silly with him. But there was NO depth to it. Their relationship was fine when all they were dealing with was that current moment in time where they could just have fun. But their relationship didn't hold up against real life issues. They also never had any genuinely sweet moments where we could see that the relationship was more than just superficial. We actually had that with Luke and Lorelai. With L/L, it was always obvious to me that their relationship was very deep. So, Lorelai doesn't laugh and giggle as much with Luke. What does that prove? Luke is a pretty serious guy anyway. Chris has always embraced the silliness. Also, Luke is not the most physically affectionate person anyway. Chris is the opposite. I guess you could argue that Chris is also more "fun." He's always up for good time. Luke is more the type that enjoys a quiet evening at home. Lorelai wasn't giggly all the time with Luke, but why would she be? Luke doesn't quip. Lorelai was cutesy with Chris when they were both being silly or when she was irritated that he wasn't acting particularly quippy. Think about this: Beyond the laughter, giggles, and affection, what exactly do C/L have? Nothing that I could think of. With L/L, we saw Lorelai being completely content with a quiet evening at home or at a restaurant with Luke. With Chris, they had to make Lorelai silly and giggly. Because that's who Chris is. YMMV

prisoner105 · 03-14-2007, 04:26 PM

IMHO Luke is being written as a cipher so as not to tip the surprise aka "Lore let's just be friends, you'll always be in love with Chris and I won't wait, be for now, or second choice."

Lore was set up with her choice: Luke her "Friend" who was always there for her but lacked status, charm, wealth, etc. and Chris who had a lifetime of disappointments but was rich, charming, smooth etc.

Of course Lore chose the wrong guy, of course it messed up her life, of course she's far more like her mother than she thinks. And of course Chris will be there at the worst time (DS has two more appearances this season right) because she herself made him into this massive threat.

How can L/L work as a romantic couple with Chris coming back? Considering Lore has seven onscreen years of choosing Chris over Luke? IMHO Lore is a heck of a lot more interesting wanting (Luke) and never being able to have him (because she chose Chris).

Otherwise all the time and effort DR put into Chris and Lore is wasted. What if the fallout of the Lore and Chris marriage was that Luke no longer loved Lore? That she was just his friend? That Luke merely thought of Lore the way Lore thought of him S1? If Lore carried around something Luke gave her for years? That IMHO would be interesting. And if I were LG I'd jump at the chance to portray a woman wanting the one guy she can't have.

ETA: what does Chris have? Money, status, smoothness, etc. Things that are important to Lore because she picked them up from Emily genetically and environmentally. Lore might deny it but in her own way she's a monumental snob. Emily's DAR trophy wife existence would be Lore's nightmare, but in altered form, jetting around to Davos and hobnobbing with Maddy Albright and and Brad and Angie and Kofi Annan "saving the world" etc. Lore's dream come true. Which was Chris's appeal. Rich enough and connected enough to wrangle an invitation to Davos or a Paris spur-of-the-moment wedding. Luke? Well he's been the exploitable "friend" for over a decade. Lore probably figured he'd always be her emotional support while Chris provided romance. Be funny if Luke drew lines around their relationship and 7.22 ended with Lore looking on as Luke dates a new girl. Her version of paint date.

Spikette · 03-14-2007, 04:28 PM

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Lorelai was still acting the same - not wanting Emily to come on the trip and then not wanting Emily to come to the wedding - what has changed with that relationship? What has changed with Lorelai at all at this point? I just don't see it.

I think she has realized that Emily has feelings. She now know that her mother did care about her and Rory. I think a lot of times Lorelai doesn't understand that her mother is wearing a mask. Her cold behavior is a facade to hide her feelings. Mia and Mrs. Kim made her realized that her mother probably suffered a great deal of pain and loss not seeing Rory grow up and that she caused that pain. I think she has also learned to tolerate her more. Could you imagine Lorelai going over to teach her computer skills of her own free will more than once?

I think Lorelai also learned from LFC that she could have lived in Emily's world but played by her own rules. She didn't have to throw the baby out with the bath water.

JMO

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Saranoh · 03-14-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by clmorrow (View Post)

The fact that all this "journey" for Lorelai so far as yielded is "it just wasn't right" about the C/L marriage rather than "man, where the hell was my head when I wandered off the cliff?" - I mean, what has been shown that shows any growth or realization on the part of Lorelai after this nonsense with Chris other than her telling Chris "I jumped?" - I've seen absolutely nothing.

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I don't think there is anything else. I think L/L will work out their issues, and Lorelai will put all the Chris stuff in the "live and learn" category. I don't think she's going to beat herself up with regret.

peachypeep · 03-14-2007, 04:30 PM

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I've been lurking for a long time and I think it is time for me to jump in.
I feel a little intimidated about joining in because I don't get all of the abbrev., so bear with me.

First of all, I'm kind of glad the MT was shut down. That whole site was getting way out of hand. This thread is much more user friendly, and I don't mean that in computer terms.

I'd like to comment on what some of you have said about DSR. I think he is doing a great job with what he was given. I will never be able to forgive ASP for what she did last season. As far are L/C getting married is concerned, DS had a contract for 13+ eppys. They had to give him a storyline. Having L/C marry helped end the L/L/C triangle forever. I just hope there is a season 8 because I too want and deserve the L/L middle.

One more thing, the GMT thing on this sight is so annoying and confusing!!!

Great first post!

lancer1993 · 03-14-2007, 04:33 PM

Welcome mary55 and prisoner105.

While I don't agree the MT needed to be shut down that's now done so we'll just leave it at that.

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clmorrow · 03-14-2007, 04:33 PM

I think Lorelai has always known her mother has feelings about what happened - I think that has been portrayed many times over the years - she has tried to break through the facade and get to those feeling and Emily has always closed down. I went back about a year ago and read the transcripts of the old shows since season one and it is all there -

vaso · 03-14-2007, 04:34 PM

Oh boy we are probably watching different shows because what i saw is dopey being the second choice/rebound guy/for now guy (he even admitted it) and Luke the forever one.

nst · 03-14-2007, 04:41 PM

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So, you can blame Rosenthal for taking it too far this season - and I will totally agree with you. But Amy wrote Lorelai's character into the ground in the 6th season, which is why (in my opinion), she needs to take on some of the blame for this mess.

I think Amy was tired and wanted to vent and just simply had enough and yes she turned Lorelai into OOC but DSR didn't need to continue it and make it way worse than Amy could have - thats why I blame DSR because he took it even farther - Amy I believe would have changed it given the opportunity

nst · 03-14-2007, 04:47 PM

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I also don't think DR had to marry C/L off - he could have had them courting and have the slow realization on her part that he was not now, nor never was, the "one" - marrying him was just the push off the cliff for me - why on earth Luke would ever trust this woman again with his heart is completely beyond me because she seems like a total flake with no self esteem to me.

Yes exactly my point - you are reading my mind - how can he trust her again....

DR could have had some interaction between L/L to show some tension on Lorelai's part as she struggled with what she was doing and seeing that Luke was moving on and establishing his relationship with April. Having them apart for so much of this season was a poor choice - in my opinion.

and that maybe would have been more interetesting to see
We were led to believe Lorelai would be longing - I never saw any longing and I never saw any dramatics that were worth anything in the first six episodes
all i saw was an ooc and ooc luke

mary55 · 03-14-2007, 04:49 PM

I think Amy was tired and wanted to vent and just simply had enough and yes she turned Lorelai into OOC but DSR didn't need to continue it and make it way worse than Amy could have - thats why I blame DSR because he took it even farther - Amy I believe would have changed it given the opportunity

We'll never really know what ASP would have done. I'm not so sure she would have made it any better. Let's see how the last 5 eppys. play out and then judge DSR on the whole season. What do you think?