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Old 02-06-2007, 09:32 PM
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Lorelai is so embarrassed when Emily is ordering Luke around. Aaw.

I thought Lorelai showed growth tonight. Not once did she complain about herself. Not once did she try and make herself the victim. She didn't bring her problems anywhere near anyone else. Even though she was alone, she dealt with it on her own because she knew what was happening to Richard was much bigger than her and Christopher. And she complimented Rory on her relationship. I thought there was definite growth in Lorelai. Yep, she has given us a crappy 6 months, but it doesn't mean she can't come out of it and redeem herself. She was a sad, lonely woman tonight even though she is supposed to be in a loving marriage. There is no loving marriage there. She's a pitiful woman and I feel sorry for her. I just hope with the next few episodes she can find her inner strength again.
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:34 PM
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That makes me hate her more...which basically says....what. Her feelings for luke were skin-deep.
Argh genki if you weren't a JJ I'd be really mad at you right now! You have to stick by Lorelai, you just have to. She's coming around. And she's sorry -- look at the promo. She's deeply sorry. We have to accept that.
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:35 PM
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Argh genki if you weren't a JJ I'd be really mad at you right now! You have to stick by Lorelai, you just have to. She's coming around. And she's sorry -- look at the promo. She's deeply sorry. We have to accept that.
she's sorry about chris

why are you mad at me? Is it rule that I am not allowed to be mad at lorelai?

I want to. I really do. I was in a place where I was there...but this episode did so much to take away from that...
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:38 PM
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she's sorry about chris

why are you mad at me? Is it rule that I am not allowed to be mad at lorelai?

I want to. I really do. I was in a place where I was there...but this episode did so much to take away from that...
I wasn't serious...just frustrated with the Lorelai bashing.
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:40 PM
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Lorelai is so embarrassed when Emily is ordering Luke around. Aaw.

I thought Lorelai showed growth tonight. Not once did she complain about herself. Not once did she try and make herself the victim. She didn't bring her problems anywhere near anyone else. Even though she was alone, she dealt with it on her own because she knew what was happening to Richard was much bigger than her and Christopher. And she complimented Rory on her relationship. I thought there was definite growth in Lorelai. Yep, she has given us a crappy 6 months, but it doesn't mean she can't come out of it and redeem herself. She was a sad, lonely woman tonight even though she is supposed to be in a loving marriage. There is no loving marriage there. She's a pitiful woman and I feel sorry for her. I just hope with the next few episodes she can find her inner strength again.
IA. I'm glad you posted this because I saw the same thing, but was starting to doubt my perception, lol.

The only thing that bothers me, and this is from a JJ POV, is that I can see Luke's genuine love for Lorelai, even though she's married to someone else. Even though you can see it, it isn't inappropriate. However, I have a harder time seeing it from Lorelai's end. Sometimes, she acts like he's a distant friend. I'm beginning to think SP's a better actor.
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:40 PM
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Luke made one mistake and is still paying for it,

Lorelai is making mistakes all the time, thanks for the list genki

When is the insanity gonna end!?!?!
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:42 PM
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I wasn't serious...just frustrated with the Lorelai bashing.
I'm frustrated. Frustrated that DR expects us to just take it all. To just accept this shoddy storytellng. I'm frustrated with the message. The theme. Its sad, its depressing and its doing a disservice to both halves of this ship.

Its saying.... Lorelai messes up and we are supposed to love her.

but when luke did it we were supposed to rake him over the coals...

Its just well...it just makes me SMAD
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Sometimes, she acts like he's a distant friend. I'm beginning to think SP's a better actor.
I think that's because she's had a hard time getting past his shutting her out. I think the pain is still really raw for her. Plus, it's possible that DR doesn't want Lorelai to be clearly "pining" while she's married to someone else. JMO
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Its saying.... Lorelai messes up and we are supposed to love her.

but when luke did it we were supposed to rake him over the coals...
I agree. I get the sinking feeling that the writers expect us to just blithely accept each and every thing that Lorelai does without question and to think 'poor wee Lorelai' without holding her accountable for anything. And that Luke has to be built up to a saint before he is 'worthy' of Lorelai. And that when L/L do get back together, we're just going to forget Lorelai's role in everything and it's going to be Luke groveling for forgiveness for his part, and Lorelai is just the poor victim who needs to be swept off her (undeserving) feet by Luke.
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:49 PM
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I think that's because she's had a hard time getting past his shutting her out. I think the pain is still really raw for her. Plus, it's possible that DR doesn't want Lorelai to be clearly "pining" while she's married to someone else. JMO
You know what still gets me is her anger. Its too strong. If she had just shutup about dissing luke, I think it would be easier to swallow. So much of her behaviour is so uncharacteristic of who she once was. I really think that making her so desperate and so quippy in the hospital episode was a mistake

They lost an opportunity to have lorelai be emotional about her dad. In the hospital room. She just kind of sat aroudn and smiled. I just I am disappointed. The character's just so much better than all of this.
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:51 PM
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I think that's because she's had a hard time getting past his shutting her out. I think the pain is still really raw for her. Plus, it's possible that DR doesn't want Lorelai to be clearly "pining" while she's married to someone else. JMO
I'm sure you're right. I think my patience is getting low, lol. I did notice her smiling at Luke tonight, I guess I was hoping for a more "intense" look.
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:52 PM
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...She practically grew up in Stars Hollow and that shaped her into the character we knew and loved from previous seasons, but after the break-up with Luke, she started doubting everything she knew to be true to her. She was determined to try things from the perspective of what she could have been had she not run away at 17. That is why her character is so messed up... because she made herself the polar opposite in order to avoid any reminders of what could have been. Much as practically the whole CS reminds her of Luke, so does her life in SH. In an effort to be who she "could have been," she attempted to change EVERYTHING in her power... of course, as we are seeing, she could never truly let go of SH or the CS, even to be with Chris, because Chris represents a life that, subconsiously, she could never truly be a part of. Bringing him in was an effort to put up blinders to avoid evidence she couldn't put in a box.
Great post! I agree. IMO it may seem "one step forward two steps back" because any time she comes close to having a real "epiphany" she is forced to put her thoughts aside to deal with Chris at that moment.

Her "once Luke is in your life, he's always in your life" seems very big right now. She seems to be starting to realize that he will "always be around" - like he said to Max.

She can never truly let go of everything that makes her who she is/wants to be. That includes the town, and Luke. It's like she wants to be Chris' wife, but she doesn't know how. She went through this blindly for awhile, but now she is realizing that she doesn't really know how to be this person because she really doesn't *want* to be this person.


About Emily...I really wonder what we will get out of her during the Lorelai/Scotch scene. I hope this hospital visit comes up. Hopefully that's not too much to ask!
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:52 PM
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I think that's because she's had a hard time getting past his shutting her out. I think the pain is still really raw for her. Plus, it's possible that DR doesn't want Lorelai to be clearly "pining" while she's married to someone else. JMO
isn't DR the one who promised us some pining way back when?

oh, and I'm not losing it, new tour pics definitly show some work had been done on the boat. woo!
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:55 PM
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IA. I'm glad you posted this because I saw the same thing, but was starting to doubt my perception, lol.

The only thing that bothers me, and this is from a JJ POV, is that I can see Luke's genuine love for Lorelai, even though she's married to someone else. Even though you can see it, it isn't inappropriate. However, I have a harder time seeing it from Lorelai's end. Sometimes, she acts like he's a distant friend. I'm beginning to think SP's a better actor.
I've been thinking that all season.
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:56 PM
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They lost an opportunity to have lorelai be emotional about her dad. In the hospital room. She just kind of sat aroudn and smiled. I just I am disappointed. The character's just so much better than all of this.
I think they tried with the whole tall/small thing lol. It didn't quite work. Although there was a sweet moment when Lorelai had her hands on Richard (I think?) and was asking him if he'd still rather be in Philadelphia.

I'm starting to give up on this show ever being brilliant again, as far as execution/writing/directing goes. The SLs are satisfying me to an extent, but the actual piecing together of episodes will never be up to par, IMO. After all, DR is not ASP.
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