Spoilers - Gilmore Girls ~ Luke/Lorelai Analysis & Speculation #331 - Page 16

Shu · 02-06-2007, 09:10 PM

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I doubt that he WANTS to love Lorelai. LOL.

He will....he always will.

And unlike Lorelai he's not throwing himself all over the most pathetic person from his past...

I mean I guess he could have slept with anna and married her

but apparently at least one of them still has a functioning brain

Saranoh · 02-06-2007, 09:11 PM

Has it ever occurred to anyone that Lorelai might learn eventually? It's not as if the season is over yet. JMO

juststandingstill · 02-06-2007, 09:12 PM

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no its not about the promo.

Its about her sheer stupidity. her coldness to her own mother. This is far beyond how lorelai is about her romantic relationships

DR has gutted lorelai. He has taken everything that was once good about her and stipped her of it. She's come off as dumber than the aerie girls, cold hearted, and basically self-centered.

In the end, it will be mimi redux. She loses chris . cries cries cries...then we see her get everything she wants which basically means the people she craps all over will settle for whatever crumbs she chucks her way.

Yeah, I am angry but I am also a sucker. In the end, I'll fanwank a way to accept this. I will squee when LL eventually reconcile while my logical brain will be liek...too bad Luke isn't the main character cause then they might hook him up with someone with a brain.

genki, I see your point of Lorelai's character being butchered. I don't like it either, but I seriously think it has alot to do with her trying to be something she's not. It's realistic to me, as awful as it is, that she turned a complete 180 after everything with Luke. She practically grew up in Stars Hollow and that shaped her into the character we knew and loved from previous seasons, but after the break-up with Luke, she started doubting everything she knew to be true to her. She was determined to try things from the perspective of what she could have been had she not run away at 17. That is why her character is so messed up... because she made herself the polar opposite in order to avoid any reminders of what could have been. Much as practically the whole CS reminds her of Luke, so does her life in SH. In an effort to be who she "could have been," she attempted to change EVERYTHING in her power... of course, as we are seeing, she could never truly let go of SH or the CS, even to be with Chris, because Chris represents a life that, subconsiously, she could never truly be a part of. Bringing him in was an effort to put up blinders to avoid evidence she couldn't put in a box.

jillianries · 02-06-2007, 09:12 PM

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I guess I'm one of the few who doesn't need to see Chris raked over the coals. As long as he goes away, I don't really care what the reason is.

And I do see what you're saying, Genki. Thanks for explaining. I just can't dislike Lorelai. Part of me feels like I should, but I just can't for some reason.

I have to admit I am one of the ones who would like to see a bit of Karma played out for Christopher here.

More because of the way he disregards Rory than anything, Lorelai should have nailed his butt to the wall on a few occasions for his treatment of Rory and so she has taught Rory how to deal with Christopher as well, he again gets a pass.

Christopher, outside of a moment with GB, for his part has never worried about Rory, he calls Lorelai with the news about his fortune, not his daughter, he knows she will be upset if he causes Lorelai and Luke trouble, he doesn't even think about how she will react to getting married and Rory not being there.

YES! He does deserve to be raked over the coals or at least an ashtray! Please let it someday be Lorelai! That would be growth to me.

Shu · 02-06-2007, 09:13 PM

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Has it ever occurred to anyone that Lorelai might learn eventually? It's not as if the season is over yet. JMO

Yes but there has been zero evidence of it yet....

Saranoh · 02-06-2007, 09:13 PM

I don't agree with Lorelai's choices at all. But I don't think she's a bad person either. I think she's going to redeem herself eventually.

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Yes but there has been zero evidence of it yet....

I saw a little flicker of it in this episode. At least in regards to Chris. JMO

lilmelodie · 02-06-2007, 09:15 PM

Christopher reminds me of my sister's mom. They make everything about themselves. He's making Richard's health crisis all about him. She managed to make her daughter's giving birth to a stillborn baby all about herself. Who does that?

lancer1993 · 02-06-2007, 09:16 PM

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It's probably because she feels the love is unrequited. Who wants to love someone that doesn't love you back?

They need to talk and not just smile throw the diner window.

Who else things the diner scene might be after the "want to want" scene, so she broke up and then goes to see Luke, heck maybe they even talk!

Shu · 02-06-2007, 09:17 PM

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I don't agree with Lorelai's choices at all. But I don't think she's a bad person either. I think she's going to redeem herself eventually.

I saw a little flicker of it in this episode. At least in regards to Chris. JMO

I have been hearing that all sesaon but i don't see it.

If she does....great cause I want to see it. Right now I see a mentally disturbed woman who is so lost that she can't stand up for herself. People say she lost who she was with Luke but she's even more lost now. She's also become a backbiter. She's also become cold. Its like she's completely detached from any emotion what so ever. Lorelai used to be good. This lorelai she's just a horrid person. There have been rare glances of goodness in her. I still can't get over her sheer coldness to her mother breaking down.. Not even an oh my.. No emotion when she was with her father. She was quippy for godsake. There was a total of 3 scenes where she showed any emotion whatesoever. This has gone beyond Luke and Lorelai for me.

Where is her heart. Did she dump it along with Luke?

Tara Ashley · 02-06-2007, 09:19 PM

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I just can't dislike Lorelai. Part of me feels like I should, but I just can't for some reason.

No part of me will ever dislike her and I strongly disagree that she doesn't deserve Luke. There are SO many worse ways people screw up in life. She married a man she "wanted to want". She married the man she thought she loved? She is not the scum of the earth; she's human. People make mistakes. We all have our own dreams of happiness that we desperately want, and sometime we blindly follow these dreams and end up on the wrong path.

If anything, her speech in 7.14 will redeem her. She has shed all facades and is telling Christopher exactly what her heart is telling her. If that's not worthy of our respect, what is? Seriously?

Shu · 02-06-2007, 09:24 PM

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No part of me will ever dislike her and I strongly disagree that she doesn't deserve Luke. There are SO many worse ways people screw up in life. She married a man she "wanted to want". She married the man she thought she loved? She is not the scum of the earth; she's human. People make mistakes. We all have our own dreams of happiness that we desperately want, and sometime we blindly follow these dreams and end up on the wrong path.

If anything, her speech in 7.14 will redeem her. She has shed all facades and is telling Christopher exactly what her heart is telling her. If that's not worthy of our respect, what is? Seriously?

I hope you are right but this is what I see:

1) she runs off and sleeps with someone minutes after unclearly breaking up with her fiance

2) she dates said man

3) she refuses to even to go see him when said fiancee's diner has been smashed to bits

4) She talks smack about him to Chris

5) she marries a man she doesn't love (knowing she doesn't)

6) she can't stand up for herself

I just see LL as unevenly matched now cause they took a reasonable mistake and then had to have him become an angel in order to make him good enough for a woman whose mentally mixed up. I just don't like the message. Its more disturbing than anything else

I can get being deluded. But, the coldness. The biggest mistake they ever made with lorelai was a) having her talking smack about her friend and former partner..... and this episode. Her interaction with her family was very standoffish.

Its like they altered something in her...that overshadows the good in her.

caf123 · 02-06-2007, 09:25 PM

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Has it ever occurred to anyone that Lorelai might learn eventually? It's not as if the season is over yet. JMO

With due respect, it feels like she's wasting a year learning what the audience (most of it) already knew and, even worse, were misled to think she already knew.

You may be right that she learns something by the end of the year. Meanwhile, all that we got to watch were many extremely distasteful episodes, with none of the heart that originally attracted us to the show. Nor did we get to see the story move on and explore something new and positive, which would have been actually rewarding for viewers to watch.

leonana · 02-06-2007, 09:27 PM

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I don't agree with Lorelai's choices at all. But I don't think she's a bad person either. I think she's going to redeem herself eventually.

I saw a little flicker of it in this episode. At least in regards to Chris. JMO

I saw a flicker of it also. I also don't see her as a bad person.

IMO, the problem is that 13 eps of clueless Lorelai is getting hard to take. DR has dragged this out too long, and the end result is that the viewers are going to turn on Lorelai.

We watch scenes of Jerk!Chris, interspersed with scenes of Saint!Luke. In order to drag out the "drama", Lorelai has a very slow realization. That all combines to make her character look unsympathetic.

DR had better amp up Lorelai's realization, if he wants the average viewer to still care about her character.

Tara Ashley · 02-06-2007, 09:28 PM

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5) she marries a man she doesn't love (knowing she doesn't)

No, we don't know this. I think she was so ready to be in love again -- so ready to have someone love her and want to be with her -- that she jumped into the CL relationship and marraige thinking she really and truly loved Christopher. I don't think the second choice notion is something she always knew. I think it's something that crept up on her as she realized that her marraige to Christopher is not filled with the kind of love she had with Luke.

Shu · 02-06-2007, 09:30 PM

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No, we don't know this. I think she was so ready to be in love again -- so ready to have someone love her and want to be with her -- that she jumped into the CL relationship and marraige thinking she really and truly loved Christopher. I don't think the second choice notion is something she always knew. I think it's something that crept up on her as she realized that her marraige to Christopher is not filled with the kind of love she had with Luke.

That makes me hate her more...which basically says....what. Her feelings for luke were skin-deep.

This whole sl...and what they did to her just sucks.