Spoilers - Gilmore Girls ~ Luke/Lorelai Analysis & Speculation #321 - Page 7

lilmelodie · 01-24-2007, 04:43 PM

Hey, OT question here. I just got Tivo last week and it was working fine, but now whenever I press the buttons nothing happens. The Tivo is getting my remote signal I think since when I press buttons, a yellow light comes on the DVR. Anybody have any ideas? Could you PM me?

GG · 01-24-2007, 04:47 PM

Wow. I realized today that sometimes it really sucks that I don't have a computer in front of me at work. I was thinking so much about LL/GG today that I probably should have taken notes.

So, fair warning: A whole work day's worth of thinking ahead!

First - thank you to everyone that brings over spoilers, links, updates, ep. descriptions, etc. I try to thank individually when I can, but since I've been catching up on so many pages so quickly I thought a blanket thank you was in order. I really appreciate all of the news, as I'm sure everyone on this thread does. So thanks again for all of this!

About a possible season 8 - I'd be flat out lying if I said I wouldn't watch it, or that I would have to think about watching it. I'd be there. That's just how it is. But that being said, I can't imagine GG without Rory. If they want to do an eighth season and everyone else is on board, I wish they could find some way to get AB to do it. Give her a beefier storyline - I'm sure that would be appreciated by many. To ditto what - I think - Katie said yesterday, just find something and give it to her! I guess it's possible that it could work with just guest appearances from AB - they would give more SLs to the really excellent supporting cast - but it just wouldn't be the same. Would LG even go for this?

I really think that a partial season might be the perfect fit. I know I've said it before, but I still really think it could work. They will probably have the heavy drama over (CLL stuff, at least) and can focus on comedy and interesting drama as it pops up. And perhaps most importantly they will be working with a specific timeline so they can plan accordingly. We'd get the little extra that might make the latter half of this season seem less rushed and a more complete ending. For the actors, they would be done filming around the end of the year (right?) and IMO committing to that time frame is very different than committing to a whole year. But I guess we shall see...

Now, on to the AA info about ending with a LL wedding and baby...interesting. I have to say, I'm thrilled. Before I started dissecting things I was walking around (aka trying to go to sleep) with a huge smile on my face. And really, after thinking about it - that hasn't changed. I have to admit that seeing the wedding/baby stuff in writing (even though it was AA and still far from official) was very nice. My own personal spec (completely separate from the amount of episodes left, etc. - just based on the relationship) had been that it would be interesting if LL got back together slowly. Not snails pace slow (8 years?), but reverent, I guess. Coming to terms with the fact that now, this is "it" (which, IMO, they will realize right away - perhaps even before they actually get back together) - they are "it" for each other now. They both know it, and they both know they know it. So I thought they might start dating again (because they both know where it is heading), but their first dates have them getting together more as friends. They would both be very much aware that they are in love with each other, but they don't want to mess things up this time. So they are getting back their friendship and relationship at the same time, kind of. I guess my thoughts are kind of hard to explain. Plus, I must confess, I had a silly, fun, Lorelai-thinking "I thought he wanted to get back together, but what if I was wrong and I'm now in Luke's 'friend zone'?" convo/SL in my head.

That being said - I'm starting to think that I could believe a getting-back-together-then-getting-married-almost-asap thing. I'm aware that sounds kind of crazy, since I just said that I had envisioned the opposite, but there it is. I think my "accepting" it comes with the fact that (A) - That's probably how it will play out; and (B) - There isn't really much time for anything else. I do think that if it's done right, it will be believable and not just "they had to get them together quickly because there's no time left" and I hope they will be able to achieve this.

Someone on the last thread - I'm sorry I don't remember who! - said that it actually makes sense for them to get back together and do the wedding/baby thing right away because they know that they are "it" - in it for the long haul. Once they get everything out in the open there are no doubts, so why wait? And I think that if this is how it is played out then it might work even if there are traces of "a little rushed" in there. As long as it's, again, done right (I feel like a broken record!) I think it won't leave the audience with a "WTF?!" feeling - just "a little rushed, but believable" - which would be great.

Plus there would be the added bonus that Lorelai had told Chris "let's wait" about the baby, but not long after she wants one with Luke right away - which would be a great parallel. Not even to be thrown in Chris' face or anything, just as further proof that LL are right, happy and that this is their time.

Promos/DCs -
Loved the aired promo. I'm excited. Still excited about the CW website promo. Lorelai's struggling because Chris finally hit the truth, so I'm not surprised that she jumps at him the way she does. Can't wait until next week.

The L/C DC...okay. I understand that they are setting them up before the big fall, so with that knowledge it is easier to take, IMO.

The L/A DC...wow. Kind of makes the L/C one pale in comparison since L/C are having a yadayada normal morning and L/A are taking it to the mattresses! Almost seems that it would have been more appropriate to show the L/C fight - but that would obviously be too much. And I guess they want to have that comedy in there - got it. Anyway, very interesting of Anna to bring up Lorelai and to say that Luke "bailed" on her. I always wondered what she heard about LL's breakup (We never got any reaction from her, did we? Or is it buried in a season 7 ep that I have not watched again?), and now...from whom? Luke obviously did not say that he bailed on her. Or perhaps Anna made that assumption herself from whatever Luke told her? Hmm... I guess it remains to be seen.

And I officially add Anna's to my list of "Faces I Want To See While THE Letter Is Being Read" - it'll be great.

And...I think that's it. Wow. I was apparently doing a lot of thinking today. Did anyone get through this post? If you did - I thank you.

P.S. - I feel that it's taken me f o r e v e r to write this, so if we are in the middle of a completely different conversation now (boxers or briefs, perhaps?) I apologize.

Louise 333 · 01-24-2007, 04:52 PM

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Thanks for the new thread

The realization was set in motion during last night's episode. I mean she had Luke on her mind 24/7

And at the end when she was standing by the staircase and just listened to Rory, Chris and Gigi she so knew it was the wrong family sitting in the kitchen. When she dropped the letter of and had to go home to them she knew she was going home to the wrong family.

The thing with Rory being angry at Lorelai. Don't forget Chris doesn't show up when his family needs him the most. That is going to hit her as well as Lorelai. If she confronts him with it and his only excuse is his jealousy over Luke and the letter, I don't think she will be happy about it. Plus Luke once again is there for them even though he doesn't have to. She already said he never missed one of her birthdays or Christmas and he always had a gift for her. So she will as well compare them. I mean her own dad doesn't show up and is not there for her or her mom but Luke is.

I would start from the end:
it was a very a happy /sad scene.
There was supposed to be a family but I was aksing myself:

was a marriage necessary to bring them together?

I'm saying :
if Christopher really loved Lorelai (I even don't consider mentioning Rory because he obviously didn't' care enough)they could have spent plent of Christmas like that, the door for him as always been open.

Now he's trying but it's so sad that one of his daughter doesn't feel free to be honest with him.
I think she's enjoying these kind of moments because that's something she's not used to, and that's not a good thing at all.

I think that life with Lorelai as her daughter has been amazing but I'm quite sure that she would have liked to have her father there, to share little things like being sitting around the table for breakfast,or having someone that cares enough to buy you stupid gifts that maybe you won't like but theat will surely make you feel as this person care about you.

I'm sure Rory is enjoying these moments but it's sad that he has chosen to be a family just because of Lorelai and not because he loved his daughter enough to spend the holidays , the birthdays etc etc with her.

That leads me to say that if I feel kind of sad for him too, for what's going to happen , I can't feel sorry all along because it's not Lorelai that's going to destroy the hapopy family, because that happy family has never existed at all.

I had this strange feeling concerning Lorelai, Rory toward Gigi, I don't see that kind of warmth and affection that should be there with a kid that plus is your sister and you'r husband's daughter .

Ther's Rory/lorelai rwelationship, totally unkonwn to Cjhristopher, their strange and particulars manners consolitaeted trough years of sharing plenty of Christmas only the two of them, surely not with him, and then there's Christopher and Gigi.

Sorry to say that but I felt as they were the outsiders , and that scene in the kitchen and not because I'm a JJ but I tought it wasn't a normal, scene it was kind of unnatural

Then Lorelai spent all the day thinking about the letter , all the time.
maybe Rory will be angry with her for not telling the truth for not involing her in the marriage not letting her remind that it wasn't the brighttest idea, she will be surely angry because it seemed that finally she could have sometimes the moments that I'm sure she has dreamt on when she was a kid, but when the anger will go away I'm sure that the one she will be angry with won't be Lorelai anymore, her mother has made a mistake the biggest one but it's not her fault if her father doesn't know her , doens't care enough, and hasn't been there on christmas or whatever, it's only up to him.

I think that Rory will feel as now that their relationship is over, everything with him will be again the same as before:non existent, and maybe as I said in the beginning, she will irrationally be upset with Lorelai because it will seem as her fault if things will stop being so perfect as they seemed to be lately(obviously the façade)but then she will understand tha'ts her father that has missed all these years, all the occasions to be a parent, not the best, not even a good one, just a parent.

About Luke and April, I really cant' think of and adjective to qualify Anna's behaviour:her kid doens't wnat to move, she wants to see her father she has met because of a science competition, how cruel it's to take her away not considering her daughter's feeling?
I'm not thinking about the unrespectful behaviour toward Luke but if she didn't have the need to tell him he had a daguter for so many long I didnd't think she would have some brain to understand that she can't do whatever she want because he's a parent of this child too.

What I didn't undrestand it's the moment Rory and Lorelai see Luke and April, it's strange the"we should.."maybe it's because it's a long time time they're all there together acting normal...but thinking of it, it's like the hand shaking..but then, after Rory and Luke start talking things seem just fit in what it was a normal routine.
And the scene when Luke went there to ask her to write the letter was amazing,finally we see the old Lorelai,the one that act, that doens't ponder everything she does,the way she answered was so ...she didn't need to think of it, she didn't know what tio write, she didn0't tought to Christopher she naturally answered yes..and as someone pointed out tit remeberd the scene where she proposed:they know each other so well that not even what has happened has changed that thing between them.

Sorry for the lenght of the post but I had to say all those things.

peachypeep · 01-24-2007, 05:06 PM

Two great posts, GG and Louise 333!!

I especially liked this:

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Coming to terms with the fact that now, this is "it" (which, IMO, they will realize right away - perhaps even before they actually get back together) - they are "it" for each other now. They both know it, and they both know they know it. So I thought they might start dating again (because they both know where it is heading), but their first dates have them getting together more as friends. They would both be very much aware that they are in love with each other, but they don't want to mess things up this time.

So romantic!

and this:

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I'm sure Rory is enjoying these moments but it's sad that he has chosen to be a family just because of Lorelai and not because he loved his daughter enough to spend the holidays , the birthdays etc etc with her.

That leads me to say that if I feel kind of sad for him too, for what's going to happen , I can't feel sorry all along because it's not Lorelai that's going to destroy the hapopy family, because that happy family has never existed at all.

Why I still hate Chris! Grrrr!

Tara Ashley · 01-24-2007, 05:14 PM

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I'm sure Rory is enjoying these moments but it's sad that he has chosen to be a family just because of Lorelai and not because he loved his daughter enough to spend the holidays , the birthdays etc etc with her.

That leads me to say that if I feel kind of sad for him too, for what's going to happen , I can't feel sorry all along because it's not Lorelai that's going to destroy the hapopy family, because that happy family has never existed at all.

Very insightful. That is the first time someone has really made me stop and think about Christopher as a bad father. So true. His love/need for Lorelai outweighs his love for anything else, Rory included. Maybe that's the parallel between the mall scene and the happy holiday scene; Christopher is just now trying to have a family holiday, while Luke has alwyas remembered Rory on holidays.

Shu · 01-24-2007, 05:26 PM

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2 DCs and I feel UNsatisfied. :S

I wonder how Anna's gonna explain how she went from leaving her daughter under Luke's care, to feeling he's unfit as a parent. Can she chalk it up to anger? But I suppose she'll explain it just as easily as she explained why she never told Luke about THEIR child. Wow, that gets me mad all over again. What the heck could have possibly happened to Anna for her to operate in this way?

I can't wait for the look on Anna's face when that wonderful character witness is read out. I'm actually surprised that they don't have to MEET the person who wrote the character witness. I know it'd be stupid, to lie, or what have you, but wouldn't it have been more special to see her up on the stand? I guess either way, you can lie, right? ....I hope Anna's character witness letter is read outloud, and it falls FLAT. You know? It's alright, but it's not wonderful, it just says the basics. I hope it includes something about Anna's judgement of Luke and that's why she kept April outta his life..

she was born with Biatch chromosone... I'm hoping April hasn't inherited it.

clmorrow · 01-24-2007, 05:32 PM

Even when he reads the letter, he is still focused on Luke as Lorelai's love interest rather than perhaps focusing on the fact that another man was around to do things for his daughter when he couldn't be bothered.

I would hope he would read that letter and think, holy moly, I really was not here for Rory and maybe actually think about that rather than thinking only about how Lorelai might still feel about Luke....but, what else is new. It really all comes down to him and his feelings.

lilmelodie · 01-24-2007, 05:35 PM

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she was born with Biatch chromosone... I'm hoping April hasn't inherited it.

*snort*

It doesn't seem that April has inherited it.

Saranoh · 01-24-2007, 05:53 PM

Does anyone else think that those ILYs to Chris in the promo sound REALLY fake?

Tara Ashley · 01-24-2007, 06:01 PM

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Does anyone else think that those ILYs to Chris in the promo sound REALLY fake?

I don't know but they KILL me. As I said on the MT, it's a giNORMOUS reminder of how weak and untrue to herself Lorelai has become. I can't describe to you how much I miss the old Lorelai.

jalapeno_wildchild · 01-24-2007, 06:08 PM

the "old lorelai" Ashley is coming back pretty soon.

clmorrow · 01-24-2007, 06:21 PM

This whole thing is really making it hard for me to understand her so-called "journey" at all. She's swooning all over him in the next episode only to decide it is over in the next episode? What has this journey been about?? To realize she made a big humongous mistake and should have figured out how to express herself and say what she is feeling (to Luke) so all of this nonsense could have been avoided?

Other than having to use up DS contract and bore me to death, what is the point of this thing? I get that she is going to be "single" for awhile, but still, her behavior even in the next episode's preview is just bizarre.

lancer1993 · 01-24-2007, 06:22 PM

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Does anyone else think that those ILYs to Chris in the promo sound REALLY fake?

There was only ONE I love you the others were I love...

7.12 DC Clip Transcript here

ergotheweirdness · 01-24-2007, 06:23 PM

These ILYs are never ending. But this is the writer who gave us French Twist isn't it? So we're lucky Lorelai didn’t drag Chris off to bed to convince him.

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So am I the only one who thinks that what DR says he wants for the end of S7 is a little too much and a little too late? I mean, if he thought about ending the season/series this way, why rush this ending? Why didn't he take the time and have it progress through out the season better than it has?

I agree. It would have been much more satisfying if he had rushed through the L/C part of the storyline and left the bulk of it for L/L.

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Yeah, the ILYs sound desperate and not from a woman in love, but still.....NO MORE ILYS !!!! 6 years those words were a big deal, but after Lorelai told Dopey 923742947 times ILY, they have NO meaning anymore.....

I really don't know how they're going to erase the memory of all those ILYs. I guess we'll be relying on the chemistry between LG/SP to convince us that the words are different when said by L/L.

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I so hate what this storyline has done to my Lorelai. She has absolutely no credibility anymore.

She's such a mess. I didn't think she could become more pitiful than she was in Partings but they've really outdone themselves with that DC. They're going to have to spend a lot of time in the second half redeeming her.

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Lorelai flinging herself at Chris, begging "I love you, I love you" - pathetic and sooo soapy. UGH, what have they done? It better be flanked and overridden by awesome writing and stories throughout the rest of the episode.

Hopefully the Luke storyline will balance out the cringeworthy stuff between L/C.

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Does the extended promo make anyone squirm and grimace? Lorelai is so weak. Her attempt to hug him makes my heart hurt. I used to love her because she was so strong and sure of herself. What has she become?

It makes me uncomfortable too, especially the clinging. How are they going to show her sense of self being rebuilt? We really need to see her put the broken pieces back together and I hope this happens long before L/L reunite.

Shu · 01-24-2007, 06:26 PM

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This whole thing is really making it hard for me to understand her so-called "journey" at all. She's swooning all over him in the next episode only to decide it is over in the next episode? What has this journey been about?? To realize she made a big humongous mistake and should have figured out how to express herself and say what she is feeling (to Luke) so all of this nonsense could have been avoided?

Other than having to use up DS contract and bore me to death, what is the point of this thing? I get that she is going to be "single" for awhile, but still, her behavior even in the next episode's preview is just bizarre.

Its typical tv...female character stupid ****...wakes up...male character forgives her...or takes responsibility for her stupidity...than they sway to their happy ending..

and as stupid as it is...that formula makes me swoon every time..

Can you say SUCKER!