Spoilers - Gilmore Girls ~ Luke/Lorelai ~ Analysis & Speculation #309

Mots15 · 12-29-2006, 01:35 PM

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Episode Descriptions & Spoilers: Season 7

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Episode 7.11: Santa's Secret Stuff
Air date: 23 Jan 2007

Written by:
Directed by: Lee Shallat Chemel

Rory (Alexis Bledel) returns from London after the holidays. Lorela (Lauren Graham) is disappointed that Rory celebrated Christmas in London with Logan, but decides to have a "Christmas after Christmas" celebration as a new family complete with trees, decorations and shopping. Luke (Scott Patterson) asks Lorelai to write a character recommendation letter for his custody battle with Anna over April on GILMORE GIRLS on The CW - courtesy of micfall

Courtesy of micfall & Curlyhead

Lorelai and Rory interaction with Luke - courtesy of Nicolalala

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Episode 7.12: To Whom It May Concern
Air date: 30 Jan 2007

Written by:
Directed by: Jamie Babbit

Casting Notice

Lorelai Writes A Letter - courtesy of Nicolalala

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Episode 7.13: I'd Rather Be In Philadelphia
Air date: 6 Feb 2007

Written by:
Directed by:

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Episode 7.14:
Air date: 13 Feb 2007

Written by:
Directed by: Jamie Babbit

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Other Spoilers:

LL start talking before Christmas ep. - courtesy of genki

No Cheating Lorelai - courtesy of caf and Ciaobella

Kristin's CW Launch interview w/ LG

MA's CW Launch original interview w/ LG - courtesy of Canopus

MA's CW Launch interview w/ LG (edited version) and SP

CW Launch Party - courtesy of Mots15

Season 7 Promo - courtesy of Mots15

Interview with SP - courtesy of Lor-baby

LG Encounter - courtesy of zoobymoo

Ask Ausiello:

Dec 20 2006: Lorelai and Christopher Fall Out

Dec 12 2006: Nothing

Dec 6 2006: Luke in, Christopher out

Nov 15 2006: Troubles ahead for LC, Luke helps Emily

Nov 8 2006: Poignant & Green

Nov 1 2006: Blah, blah, blah

Oct 25 2006: div**c*?

Oct 18 2006:e***e

Oct 11 2006: Spoilers To Come Later

Oct 4 2006: Richard

Sept 27 2006: Whispergate

Sept 20 2006: Barfaroni

Sept 13 2006: Whatever **t * ******* is, is huge

Aug 30 2006: **t * *******

Aug 23 2006: *** * *******

Aug 16 2006: Lorelai is in reflective mode

Aug 9 2006: Long summer in SH

Aug 2 2006: Kirk exploits Luke's misfortune

July 12 2006: First 6 episodes very, very dramatic

Apr 25 2006: Reaction to interview

Ausiello Report:

Dec 12 2006: ASP Interview about new show and current GG

Oct 24 2006: DR Interview about elopement

Sept 20 2006: Liar Liar, Pants On Fire

Sept 14 2006: Spoilerganza

Sept 4 2006: Ausiello has seen the premiere

Aug 31 2006: Lauren Graham on Studio 60

July 23 2006: Good news?

July 17 2006: Interview with Dave Rosenthal

July 17 2006: TCA Summer Press Tour

June 7 2006: Interview with Lauren Graham

Apr 24 2006: Interview with Amy & Dan

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All episode descriptions and promotional pictures are provided by The CW and Fraz, unless otherwise noted.

Mots15 · 12-29-2006, 01:36 PM

Promo Images: Season 7

All promotional pictures courtesy of: Luminary, Fraz, Sarcastic-Ladies.net, CW-Insider
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caf123 · 12-29-2006, 01:40 PM

Thanks, Mots.

vaso · 12-29-2006, 01:41 PM

Thanks for the new thread Mots

FuzzyCerts · 12-29-2006, 01:42 PM

Danke Mots.

Now I can go.
Night.

**Lindsay** · 12-29-2006, 01:46 PM

Thanks Mots.

lancer1993 · 12-29-2006, 01:48 PM

Thanks Mots

last thread

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Originally Posted by vaso

I agree that dopey is not entirely responsible since l/l had communication problems before he appeared but he was the final nail in the coffin. If he had just kept his pants on we wouldn't have to suffer half a season.

I think L&L would have still broken up but they would not have been apart for so long and of course there would be no Paris eloping. Chris might have been just a friend and Lorelai would have gone to Luke's much sooner.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyCerts

IMO, Lorelai thinks that she and Luke will never get back together, so her break-up with Dopey has nothing to do with Luke. She breaks up with him, cause this isn´t the life she wants and this isn´t the man she wants to spend the rest of her life with.....she just pretended she loves him, but doesn´t and that she rather spends her life alone then in this ridiculous marriage.....

And damn, why do we still don´t know Santa´s secret ??? DR is good....

ITA and yes I want Santa's secret! Maybe Luke dressed as Santa for some Stars Hollow Christmas event! and someone saw Lorelai kissing Santa, maybe not, but there is always next year. Maybe with a 6 months pregnant Lorelai

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Originally Posted by Katiegg108

I've been speccing something like that. Not Luke listening, but just Lorelai opening up to a sleeping/unconcious richard. LG could be amazing in a scene like that. Playing off EH, but EH not really being a part of the scene. It would allow Lorelai to open up about Chris, Luke, herself, and whatever else her epiphany is about without being concerned about what the person is thinking and it would let us, the viewers, really know what she's realizing.

So it could be a scene like in F&S but this time with words, I love it.

Ciaobella · 12-29-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mots15 (View Post)
Christopher isn't the reason that Luke and Lorelai aren't together. I mean, yes, at the moment he is the reason LL aren't together, but he's not what caused them to break up. He didn't create April. He didn't keep April from Lorelai for months, he didn't cause Lorelai to turn into a passive-aggressive shell. He didn't break down the communication lines between Luke and Lorelai. While, ultimately, he did cause the final straw to break, he had nothing to do with the actual reasons Luke and Lorelai fell apart. We can blame him for a lot, but he is not the sole responsible party for what we've suffered through in the last couple of seasons.

And this isn't meant to be a "Blame AS-P" post either.

Christopher wasn't the cause of L/L's relationship failing, but he has alot to with Lorelai's immaturity and marrying her while she was still grieving. She could never call him on his negligence and he took advantage of that. What other guy, who claimed he loved her forever, would sleep with a woman who just broke up with her fiance? He knew she was upset; did Lorelai have to beg him to bang her? I don't think so; he took advantage again of her weakness and continued the dysfunctional cycle. And this time it was HIS fault because she was an emotional wreck. He saw an opening and he took it.

I'm waiting for that ep where Christopher Haden gets his well deserved smackdown. It's long overdue. But instead of Lorelai giving it to him (I'd rather have her tell him to coldly get lost), I want Rory to do it. Rory was always the common glue Chris and Lorelai used as their excuse for their co-dependency. It would be great if Rory told Lorelai AND Chris that all she wanted - no, needed - was for them to be her parents, not married to each other.
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Mots15 · 12-29-2006, 02:04 PM

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Christopher wasn't the cause of L/L's relationship failing, but he has alot to with Lorelai's immaturity and marrying her while she was still grieving. She could never call him on his negligence and he took advantage of that. What other guy, who claimed he loved her forever, would sleep with a woman who just broke up with her fiance? He knew she was upset; did Lorelai have to beg him to bang her? I don't think so; he took advantage again of her weakness and continued the dysfunctional cycle. And this time it was HIS fault because she was an emotional wreck. He saw an opening and he took it.

I understand that and I'm in no way attempting to defend Christopher. I thought he was disgusting for taking advantage of Lorelai. I do blame him for that and strongly dislike him for it, but his stupidity in that particular situation was not what really caused the break up. It ultimately did, but the L's had their issues prior to it.

Basically, when LC fall apart it should be based on their own marital issues, their differences of opinion, their differences in personality. I'm probably not stating myself very clearly, I just don't think Christopher is to be blamed for everything that has happened in the last year. Blame him for his part and his part alone.

Fridaynightdinner · 12-29-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ciaobella (View Post)

Christopher wasn't the cause of L/L's relationship failing, but he has alot to with Lorelai's immaturity and marrying her while she was still grieving. She could never call him on his negligence and he took advantage of that. What other guy, who claimed he loved her forever, would sleep with a woman who just broke up with her fiance? He knew she was upset; did Lorelai have to beg him to bang her? I don't think so; he took advantage again of her weakness and continued the dysfunctional cycle. And this time it was HIS fault because she was an emotional wreck. He saw an opening and he took it.

I'm waiting for that ep where Christopher Haden gets his well deserved smackdown. It's long overdue. But instead of Lorelai giving it to him (I'd rather have her tell him to coldly get lost), I want Rory to do it. Rory was always the common glue Chris and Lorelai used as their excuse for their co-dependency. It would be great if Rory told Lorelai AND Chris that all she wanted - no, needed - was for them to be her parents, not married to each other.
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Right he deseves a smackdown but Rory is not the right person to do this.
The only thing she can do is to have a talk with her mother.
She can say: Mom i see you're not happy and dads behavior is really stupid and when you wanna leave him , do it. It's ok by me, i'll back you up.
You don't love him the way you should i can see that and i don't wanna see you unhappy for the rest of your live.
And don't think that you're failing you're not.

I think Rory's thought in this case are very importent for Lorelai and if Rory would say something like this to Lorelai, it would be a huge help for her to make her decision.

lancer1993 · 12-29-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mots15

Basically, when LC fall apart it should be based on their own marital issues, their differences of opinion, their differences in personality. I'm probably not stating myself very clearly, I just don't think Christopher is to be blamed for everything that has happened in the last year. Blame him for his part and his part alone.

ITA - Irreconcilable differences seams to be the catch cry for most divorces.

gjoni · 12-29-2006, 02:41 PM

I wonder if Lorelai will ever accuse Chris of taking advantage of her that damned "Partings" night, instead of being a true friend. She hasn't so far, only seeing it as her own mistake at the time.

Thanks for the thread, Mots.

lancer1993 · 12-29-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gjoni (View Post)

I wonder if Lorelai will ever accuse Chris of taking advantage of her that damned "Partings" night, instead of being a true friend. She hasn't so far, only seeing it as her own mistake at the time.

Thanks for the thread, Mots.

I doubt she will, but if things get heated all bets are off, I'm thinking the reverse of ISBL when Chris told Lorelai off in the diner. Maybe Chris turns up late to the hospital or what if he's at the CS, at the end of the ep and they have a fight over why he wasn't there. Babette could hear it and the whole town would know in hours. Maybe he heard from is new best friend Jackson that Luke took Lorelai to the hospital and thus the pity party continues?

I'm also thinking Rory won't have a big talk with Lorelai about the break up before it happens but she will be upset since things are looking so good for them, so unless Rory sees something in the next 2-3 eps I think it will be a much bigger shock to Rory than L&L break up, after all it's much quicker, they are married not dating or engaged and to Rory there are no signs of trouble.

ProfessorFabulous · 12-29-2006, 03:12 PM

Grazie Mots.

**Katiegg108** · 12-29-2006, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gjoni (View Post)

I wonder if Lorelai will ever accuse Chris of taking advantage of her that damned "Partings" night, instead of being a true friend. She hasn't so far, only seeing it as her own mistake at the time.

No, I don't think she will, nor do I think she should. What Lorelai has to learn here is to stop blaming Chris or Luke for her mistakes. Partings was all Lorelai's fault, from the untimatum to sleeping with Chris. the elopement was Lorelai's doing, she could have said no and not giving in. Any CL divorce will be Lorelai's fault because she doesn't love chris. Even late season six cannot be blamed all on Luke, since Lorelai should have spoken up. She's going to have to start realizing that she did a lot of this too, and not riding her choices and mistakes off on Luke's or Chris's shortcomings.