Spoilers - Gilmore Girls ~ Luke/Lorelai Analysis & Speculation #296 - Page 6

FuzzyCerts · 11-18-2006, 03:16 AM

Then it´s about damn time she wakes up before she becomes "Never-not-stupid 2.0".....

Cappuccino · 11-18-2006, 03:21 AM

And you know what's great also ? They married while it was raining

That is so Lorelai

Rain is just her thing

gjoni · 11-18-2006, 04:03 AM

From the 7.10 ep. description:

Luke (Scott Patterson) and Lorelai (Lauren Graham) share a sweet moment when Luke introduces her to Liz’s new baby. Christopher (David Sutcliffe) witnesses the scene and it adds to his concern that Lorelai isn’t fully committed to their marriage.

I was just reading that again and it made me think that perhaps Chris is concerned about Lorelai's commitment to their marriage because she probably coos excitedly over Luke's baby niece, but later dismisses his own desire to have another kid with her.

I think like everything else so far with her, he'll be the one continuing to move full steam ahead, including babies, and although we know she wanted another kid when she was with Luke, and despite being good with kids, suddenly it's not what she'll want any longer. We know why, but Chris will just be starting to figure things out.

lancer1993 · 11-18-2006, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by gjoni (View Post)

From the 7.10 ep. description:

Luke (Scott Patterson) and Lorelai (Lauren Graham) share a sweet moment when Luke introduces her to Liz’s new baby. Christopher (David Sutcliffe) witnesses the scene and it adds to his concern that Lorelai isn’t fully committed to their marriage.

I was just reading that again and it made me think that perhaps Chris is concerned about Lorelai's commitment to their marriage because she probably coos excitedly over Luke's baby niece, but later dismisses his own desire to have another kid with her.

I think like everything else so far with her, he'll be the one continuing to move full steam ahead, including babies, and although we know she wanted another kid when she was with Luke, and despite being good with kids, suddenly it's not what she'll want any longer. We know why, but Chris will just be starting to figure things out.

I spec'ed that before, Lorelai wanted a kid with Luke but not anymore, somehow he finds out and this could be part of what leads to the fight in ep 10.

Cappuccino · 11-18-2006, 05:16 AM

Maybe that comes into play as well but we know they fight about the party and exchanging vows. I bet Chris and Emily are on the same page and want to make a big thing out of it. A big bash with the high society from Hartford. Lorelai feels uncomfortable about it because she hates those people. Now she has to stand up against dopey and Emily when it comes to things like that. Chris wants to be everybody's darling and he enjoys being the Prince Charming and showing off his money and status and of course his wife. This is so not going to work because I give Lorelai two or three occasions like that and she will flip out.

lancer1993 · 11-18-2006, 05:29 AM

Un like Luke (with it being April, so one big thing) IMO it will be a number of little things that breaks up C&L.

Damn it she should have written a pro/con list in ep 7.03 with Rory!

Night all...

gjoni · 11-18-2006, 05:58 AM

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I spec'ed that before, Lorelai wanted a kid with Luke but not anymore, somehow he finds out and this could be part of what leads to the fight in ep 10.

I didn't remember about your spec, nice spec, then.

And what I really meant was that Chris isn't concerned at that point about seeing her with Luke per se, but about her reluctance to have a kid with him. I'm not sure how much he'll realize it's what she wanted with Luke - we know that, she knows that, but does he?

FuzzyCerts · 11-18-2006, 06:12 AM

Maybe Emily is on Dopey´s side in 7.10, but that will soon change....

clmorrow · 11-18-2006, 07:01 AM

So, C/L have a fight in 7.10 then again they are having a fight when Chris decides to not help Emily in what, 7.12 or 7.13? That's two fights in a few short episodes - and those are only the ones we know about....

Suddenly, I am a fan of fighting (verbally, not physically) although Luke stripping off his jacket and his power walk towards Chris may yet just turn me into such a fan.

Cappuccino · 11-18-2006, 07:05 AM

We know about two fights. One in 7.10 because of the party and the vow thing. The second one in 7.13 when Richard gets sick. But they will probably have more in between

Speaking of which why do they have to exchanged vows ? Is it to make it legal or just because Emily said so

We don't know that yet right ?

bec99 · 11-18-2006, 07:07 AM

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gjoni
The problem I have with the story for Lorelai now, is what epiphany or journey exactly is she going to have, what are they supposedly showing us? She already told Lynnie that Luke was the only guy she thought she'd ever loved, that he was a real man, solid and strong and would protect her, and got her, and she also realized how much he cared for Rory. She saw him as a caring family man - respecting his uncle's burial wishes, speaking fondly of his Dad and having a dark day each year on the anniversay of his death, taking Jess in, helping and caring about Liz, loving father to April. She already knows all that, and knew it was what she loved about him and what she wanted. She knows and knew - so what's new?

And about the other world, her parents' world we thought she might be checking out with Christopher - I don't see that either. On the contrary, she brought Chris back to her world, to quirky but homey Stars Hollow. So, it doesn't seem like she's contemplating that choice any longer.

I do want to see how they plan to show us how reality strikes Lorelai, but right now, I still feel that not only is the timing absolutely wrong with this Chris SL, but that no realizations should be life changing new to her, either.

I thought this was a totally interesting post that wasn't getting any attention on the MT. Sad to say, it looks to me like Lorelai's story is becoming more and more about Luke vs. Chris. Or getting over the fantasy of Chris, which I agree was so Season 3.

I'm not sure that what Luke and Lorelai really needed to learn after Season 6 can be done without each other. This links back to some of the themes of caf's and lemon's posts. If Luke needed to learn balance/openness between a daughter and a fiancee, how can you do it without the fiancee? Lorelai either needed to learn how to balance being supportive with being true to herself or else simply to better weather/fight through rough patches in relationships. I certainly don't want her learning to weather rough patches in her marriage with Chris! And it doesn't look from the spoilers like he'll need her support. More generally, speaking up about herself might have helped her relationship with Luke, but I'm not sure the truth will help things with Chris.

**Katiegg108** · 11-18-2006, 09:25 AM

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We know about two fights. One in 7.10 because of the party and the vow thing. The second one in 7.13 when Richard gets sick. But they will probably have more in between

Speaking of which why do they have to exchanged vows ? Is it to make it legal or just because Emily said so

We don't know that yet right ?

I think that the big fight that's in ep. 13 will start before Richard gets sick. it makes sense for Dopey to be sulking and then grudgingly showing up at the hospital and sulking some more. I don't see it as being they get to the hospital, Luke's being great, then Chris starts to sulk... you'd expect Chris to be super-husband if the fight started after they got there in order to prove himself against Luke, imo.

As for the vows. I think it's just a way for Emily to see them. If it was about the legal aspects, the ep. descriptions would have said that they fought over having a legal ceremony at ERs party.

jalapeno_wildchild · 11-18-2006, 09:28 AM

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So, C/L have a fight in 7.10 then again they are having a fight when Chris decides to not help Emily in what, 7.12 or 7.13? That's two fights in a few short episodes - and those are only the ones we know about....

Suddenly, I am a fan of fighting (verbally, not physically) although Luke stripping off his jacket and his power walk towards Chris may yet just turn me into such a fan.

if the only reason chris decides not to help emily in 7.13 is because he had a fight with lorelai it tells alot about the kind of man he really is. one one side we have chris who is married to lorelai and he can't put his own feelings aside to help his mother-in-law while she's going through a crisis and needs support, he can't see beyond his own feelings. on the other hand we have luke, who is not married to lorelai, has no obligation to her in any way, yet he chooses to help emily with whatever she needs help with richard is sick. i think this will drive it home for lorelai the difference between chris and luke and realize she made a mistake in marrying chris and will work to rectify the situation as quickly as possible. as for emily, i think she also will see luke in a different light, she's never really thought much of chris and this one incident will lower her opinion of him even more. i hope we see a scene where emily realizes that luke has been running around all day helping her even though he didn't have to and say something along the lines of she's sorry for the way she's treated him, that he's a good man who's worthy of lorelai, it would be nice to have lorelai overhear this exchange as well.

jalapeno_wildchild · 11-18-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by clmorrow (View Post)

So, C/L have a fight in 7.10 then again they are having a fight when Chris decides to not help Emily in what, 7.12 or 7.13? That's two fights in a few short episodes - and those are only the ones we know about....

Suddenly, I am a fan of fighting (verbally, not physically) although Luke stripping off his jacket and his power walk towards Chris may yet just turn me into such a fan.

if the only reason chris decides not to help emily in 7.13 is because he had a fight with lorelai it tells alot about the kind of man he really is. one one side we have chris who is married to lorelai and he can't put his own feelings aside to help his mother-in-law while she's going through a crisis and needs support, he can't see beyond his own feelings. on the other hand we have luke, who is not married to lorelai, has no obligation to her in any way, yet he chooses to help emily with whatever she needs help with richard is sick. i think this will drive it home for lorelai the difference between chris and luke and realize she made a mistake in marrying chris and will work to rectify the situation as quickly as possible. as for emily, i think she also will see luke in a different light, she's never really thought much of chris and this one incident will lower her opinion of him even more. i hope we see a scene where emily realizes that luke has been running around all day helping her even though he didn't have to and say something along the lines of she's sorry for the way she's treated him, that he's a good man who's worthy of lorelai, it would be nice to have lorelai overhear this exchange as well.

Joannathe1 · 11-18-2006, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bec99 (View Post)

I thought this was a totally interesting post that wasn't getting any attention on the MT. Sad to say, it looks to me like Lorelai's story is becoming more and more about Luke vs. Chris. Or getting over the fantasy of Chris, which I agree was so Season 3.

I'm not sure that what Luke and Lorelai really needed to learn after Season 6 can be done without each other. This links back to some of the themes of caf's and lemon's posts. If Luke needed to learn balance/openness between a daughter and a fiancee, how can you do it without the fiancee? Lorelai either needed to learn how to balance being supportive with being true to herself or else simply to better weather/fight through rough patches in relationships. I certainly don't want her learning to weather rough patches in her marriage with Chris! And it doesn't look from the spoilers like he'll need her support. More generally, speaking up about herself might have helped her relationship with Luke, but I'm not sure the truth will help things with Chris.

Very interesting postbec99, the journey

that Lorelai suppose to be on is to me quite stupid. She had been on a more interesting one from she turn 16... the J... of having a child as a teenager and bringing up that child that turned out like Rory, having a successful business, and finding a great guy like Luke (until Amy decide to cut him down). I would say that was more entertaining and interesting that what she is doing now.

Going back to your teenage love and father of the child you brought up alone without his help (don't count the occassional times he drops in play favourite uncle to the child and bone you and then he's gone. To make matters worst he brought a child so you can rear the child together... yet he wasn't there for you and your child.

The story is so bogus and dull and turn the once charming, strong woman into chattering, hyper headcase. At this point does Lorelia really knows what she wants?

Nothing about stepchild raring... being one myself.

JMHO

Joanna~