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Old 05-08-2007, 06:47 AM
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Oh, how could I forget:

Uber thankful for scene with Luke holding his baby neice. Sigh.
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Old 05-08-2007, 06:51 AM
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I wish I could be thankful for that. I'm still stuck in bitterdom.
It was supposed to be him holding his baby with Lorelai.
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Old 05-08-2007, 06:51 AM
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Hey

I just wanted to thank everyone for their effort to bring spoilers, to their lovely speculations. Although I only started posting now, I have been lurking since last season's finale, so I feel I went through this journey (bahh .. sorry for the word.. I know you hate it.. ) with all of you, and if it weren't for you I don't think I would have make it.

I read LG interview, and I agree with everyone who said that they liked it. I'm not going to explain all over again why, since a lot of people already did, and I agree with all of them.

I'm not going to hate her for her opinions or need to move on, so I will definitely not stop watching her work, because most of all, she's a great actress, who played my favorite character for 7 years, and that's why I like her in the first place. Yes, I would love another one season.. but .. well.. things are what they are.

Now, with all this talk about the cancellation I almost forgot about the new episode. Despite Chris.. I'm really looking forward to it. I really want to see that LL diner scene. Will they talk about the song? How could not they?
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:17 AM
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Now, with all this talk about the cancellation I almost forgot about the new episode. Despite Chris.. I'm really looking forward to it. I really want to see that LL diner scene. Will they talk about the song? How could not they?
Do you really have to ask? Sorry, didn't mean to be snarky, but I bet they don't.

And that's really why I cannot join in all this optimism and gratitude for a few crumbs - because those crumbs involve ignoring the wider picture, the heart of the show - which was torn out by turning Lorelai into the kind of woman who couldn't see or didn't care about the difference between a man who looks after his child, puts his child first - or one who neglects his child, puts himself first, lets the child grow up knowing and that he'll lie and break his promises to her - again and again.

I'm glad for Rory that her dad turns up tonight, but who knows if he'll turn up the next time, in her life? Maybe he will, because now he can be friends with Lorelai again. Goody.

As viewers, we're left with a year's worth of offensive scenes from the Chris/Lor show - and a few nice photo ops, most of them faux.

As gjoni said, it was supposed to be him holding his baby with Lorelai. I'd have lived with it if they never got that far. But I resent being fed a lie instead.

It's the same thing that happened when ASP said they would get married - and then, it's said, thought she "gave us the wedding" in bits and pieces of scattered photo ops last year. Um, a fugly wedding dress isn't an actual wedding. I cared because this show was better than that. I watched for a real story not some fake pictures. And we're not getting any narrative resolution, any understanding or any meaningful scenes, just a trite last-minute "we're back together cause we always loved each other after all' kiss.

It lacks substance, we're cheated out of the real story - do they manage to make it work this time, do they overcome all the contrived crap of the last two years, now they blend in April and Rory and how those relationships work.

Also, on a purely emotional, entertainment level, I wouldn't have voluntarily chosen to watch the Chris/Lor show - and now, that will never be sanitized with Ll scenes that I'd actually enjoy watching. I feel like I was conned into staying through many months of depressing Tuesdays by the promise that this "journey" had a point, it would lead back to the real show - and the only place it actually led was to give some "resolution" to Christopher, the least deserving character on the show and the only one who will get any. And that's just sick.
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:22 AM
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thx for the threda Capp

catching up ...

and perhaps I am around this night, too, so a PBP would be appreciated
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:25 AM
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I think AB and LG will be just fine. As disappointed as I am in this whole sad wasted year, if the material is good, I'll watch LG in something again - I think she was wonderful as Lorelai for most of the series - certainly delightful enough that I'd check out something new of hers. Something as well written as GG was in the earlier years doesn't come along very often - she was lucky ASP chose her for the role - and, all of them, really.

I can't recall a time when a series that had been on as long as GG was given such short shrift when it came to the finale. If they truly had written the finale as a series finale, it should be one that is a love note to the fans - not one that quickly ties stuff up - and leaves a portion of the fanbase sad - just so they can make it out the door.

The mere fact that LG felt the finale wasn't emotional enough gives me pause because they should have taken great care with the finale even if they thought it MIGHT come back. That they didn't pull that off until LG sent the script back is bothersome. And, who knows if they pulled it off after they reworked it. I guess we'll see how they do. I also don't like DR's writing - so, my expectations are set to "poor" right now.
As a viewer, I am very dissappointed with the actress , the network etc etc , of course if in the future if she' will be in a movie I'd like to watch I won't say:" NO because she couldn't care less about GG" but for now I've never seen her in other role than this one, so as long as I know she could be good or not and not being an LG fan(I was a Lorelai fan) I'm surely not going to catch the movie she's in.

Of course she has a fanbase that still loves her, luckly we don't all think the same, but for me after conquering so much respect for the character she played, losing it for the attitude she seems to have as the "person/actress" ,IMo isn't so positive afterall, but that's not my business, it should be hers as long as she cares.

My expectations'??
at the moment you're still lucky if you have some, actually I have none.

I'm not considering AB because I've seen a couple of movies she's in and I already know that personally I don't like her acting, and I always said so, that's why in my perspective the fact that she was the one that wanted to give up on GG makes me laugh, a little just a little, but again it's only my point of view.
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:25 AM
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Thanks for the new thread Cappu!

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'Cause Dawn Ostroff runs a network about as effciently and competently as GWB runs a country?
totally ... DO's management skills are really impressing Even though I must add that the latest news about LG/AB suddenly wanting to do only 8 eps made me go HUH and some sort of pissed off feeling directed at them emerged ... but well ... what can I do? ... I am done feeling pissed off ...

Grateful list: I am just grateful for this show PERIOD ... sure, there have been some ups and downs when it comes to this show and yeah I would have liked a differently managed final season, but I still am in general grateful to have found this show! And well finding all these other 'nutters' for this show on the then MT and now LL and RL thread ... besides some headaches and pulling at my hair , there have definitely been many more moments of grinning, laughing out loud and just loving the general crazyness/thoughts/specs/insightfull posts that were/are around!

It will suck to have to leave that behind !!!
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:26 AM
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I wish I could be thankful for that. I'm still stuck in bitterdom.
It was supposed to be him holding his baby with Lorelai.
They could have given us at least a freaking wedding. Not that it was in the picture or anything at the beginning of season Was that too much to ask of them ? I didn't even need to see the baby or her telling him he's going to be daddy from the start this time. It would have been enough for me to know they would try for one. Throw away the pill, condoms or whatever they used I would have been happy. But that now. I can't jump on the happy train and enjoy the last two episodes. Especially not the one tonight. The return of the quippy twins - yeah that's what I have been waiting for all along.
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:29 AM
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Since the announcement about the cancelation all kinds of GG's fans have been coming out of the closet to express their regret, it was a big topic on the radio show I listen to on the way in to work this morning. Maybe LG and AB would have not wanted to do another season anyway, but also maybe if CW appreciated what a unique and intelligent (in comparison) show they had a little more, there might have been an 8th season to tie everything up in a satisfying way.
Biggest disappointment with this season - not just all the time wasted on the stupid Christopher story line (and whole dumb Marty thing, what a waste of the Yale portion of the show) but the fact that the aledged journey was no journey, how did the marriage to dopey move anyone along anything? They irresponsibly jumped into bed, they impulsively eloped, they played house, they split up in record time the minute they had a problem, how was that a journey? it was an indulgence of every immature, self defeating aspect of their characters, and then it was over and they are back at the Gilmore mansion all friendsy-wendsy again!
However, best thing about the season - how great it was when it worked, Lane's baby shower, the last couple of episodes, how great it is to see the Luke/Lorelai chemistry again, Lorelai singing - hopefully enough to give it a good send off and erase all those icky Chris vibes.
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:31 AM
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Do you really have to ask? Sorry, didn't mean to be snarky, but I bet they don't.

And that's really why I cannot join in all this optimism and gratitude for a few crumbs - because those crumbs involve ignoring the wider picture, the heart of the show - which was torn out by turning Lorelai into the kind of woman who couldn't see or didn't care about the difference between a man who looks after his child, puts his child first - or one who neglects his child, puts himself first, lets the child grow up knowing and that he'll lie and break his promises to her - again and again.

I'm glad for Rory that her dad turns up tonight, but who knows if he'll turn up the next time, in her life? Maybe he will, because now he can be friends with Lorelai again. Goody.

As viewers, we're left with a year's worth of offensive scenes from the Chris/Lor show - and a few nice photo ops, most of them faux.

As gjoni said, it was supposed to be him holding his baby with Lorelai. I'd have lived with it if they never got that far. But I resent being fed a lie instead.

It's the same thing that happened when ASP said they would get married - and then, it's said, thought she "gave us the wedding" in bits and pieces of scattered photo ops last year. Um, a fugly wedding dress isn't an actual wedding. I cared because this show was better than that. I watched for a real story not some fake pictures. And we're not getting any narrative resolution, any understanding or any meaningful scenes, just a trite last-minute "we're back together cause we always loved each other after all' kiss.

It lacks substance, we're cheated out of the real story - do they manage to make it work this time, do they overcome all the contrived crap of the last two years, now they blend in April and Rory and how those relationships work.

Also, on a purely emotional, entertainment level, I wouldn't have voluntarily chosen to watch the Chris/Lor show - and now, that will never be sanitized with Ll scenes that I'd actually enjoy watching. I feel like I was conned into staying through many months of depressing Tuesdays by the promise that this "journey" had a point, it would lead back to the real show - and the only place it actually led was to give some "resolution" to Christopher, the least deserving character on the show and the only one who will get any. And that's just sick.
About tonight's episode, I don't think they will talk about it, too. It was just some wishful thinking on my part. But i'm really curious about the scene, because even if they don't talk about the song, they have to talk about something... And I think this is the first LL conversation that we don't know what it is about before the episode airs... or am I wrong?

About the rest, I totally agree with you. This will not be a satisfying end, considering everything that happened, but I'm really trying to stop thinking about what could have been, so I can enjoy the last two episodes ever. Otherwise, I won't appreciate the good things we will probably have, even if they will be too little, when compared to what we wished for.
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:34 AM
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. But that now. I can't jump on the happy train and enjoy the last two episodes. Especially not the one tonight. The return of the quippy twins - yeah that's what I have been waiting for all along.

Same here.

I know we should have got over Christopher..but I surely could have if this wasn't the series finale, each scene with him reminds me this crappy season, how much time has been lost and how much crap we had to go trough believing the promise that it would lead to somewhere important, and for me a kiss it's something as itself but after all that happened, it's nothing more than a punch in my stomach.

The good LL stuff that is supposed to come??

another punch because the more I see scenes like the karaoke one, the more I think to what we have missed and what we're never going to see.

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I feel like I was conned into staying through many months of depressing Tuesdays by the promise that this "journey" had a point, it would lead back to the real show - and the only place it actually led was to give some "resolution" to Christopher, the least deserving character on the show and the only one who will get any. And that's just sick.
He's there while Luke's at the diner again over and over hurt by Lorelai's actions...delightful, but it's the way the show started and how it's going to end:
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This will not be a satisfying end, considering everything that happened, but I'm really trying to stop thinking about what could have been, so I can enjoy the last two episodes ever. Otherwise, I won't appreciate the good things we will probably have, even if they will be too little, when compared to what we wished for.
Yep, that is where I am at. I can either try to enjoy the last two eps of my favourite TV show so far or stay pissed, dissapointed and all that ... and even though the latter option is very tempting to me, I am trying to go for the first. I am hoping I will succeed, am not feeling very confident though ... but I will make an attempt. Well I think this is my fifth attempt to be honest but that is the cool things about attempts, there is no limit to them ...
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The good LL stuff that is supposec to come??

another punch because the more I see scenes like the karaoke one, the more I think to what we have missed and what we're never going to see.
I just think this is the saddest, least constructive way to look at things. What a sad world it would be if we went around shoving away the good stuff we do get just because it's not exactly what we wanted or all we expected.

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Who says Christopher is being "payed" for anything? He's been there more for his daughter in the last two seasons, and he's finally showing up for a big event in his daughter's life. It sounds to me like he's finally stepping up and doing what's expected, not getting "rewarded" for something. And he's also had to face the fact that Lorelai doesn't want him and the death of the Chris and Lor 4-Eva fantasy.

And it's Luke Lorelai loves in the end. It's Luke who gets to celebrate with the girls and everyone important to them in the finale. It's Luke who gets the last "family" scene with the girls in the diner. Sounds to me like Luke wins--if it even is a contest.
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Yep, that is where I am at. I can either try to enjoy the last two eps of my favourite TV show so far or stay pissed, dissapointed and all that ... and even though the latter option is very tempting to me, I am trying to go for the first. I am hoping I will succeed, am not feeling very confident though ... but I will make an attempt. Well I think this is my fifth attempt to be honest
I hope I'll be succeeded too, although it's very very hard ... :/
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Why isn't we can't just stick to a discussion of the spoilers or people's feelings/opinions about how and why the show is ending.

I just don't get the need for anyone to come here and tell anyone else that the way they look at things is "sad" or that people should "get it into their heads" - what is the urge to analyze and critique people's reactions to this thing all about?

Everyone is all over the map with what is happening and I for one find it incredibly condescending to read these sorts of remarks.

So - I wonder who Lorelai is talking to when Luke overhears her. If it is Rory, I can see him getting hurt and upset; if it is Kirk (or one of the other goofy gossipy townies) I would hope that by now Luke would see through that and realize she is probably just covering because of who she is talking to -

I hope this episode ends with some sort of clarity of this thing - though if it is clear up, why would the kiss be an unexpected reaction? Curious.
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