Spoilers - Gilmore Girls ~ All In For Season 8 ~ Luke/Lorelai Analysis & Speculation #385 - Page 14

clmorrow · 04-14-2007, 05:22 PM

Well, maybe what he is showing with the party is his affection for Rory which is what I think because, as she said in her character reference, Luke was always there and cared for Rory regardless of what was happening between him and Lorelai.

I can't for the life of me figure out why Luke would be showing his love for Lorelai just yet - unless she has really managed to make it clear to him that she not only made a mistake sleeping with Chris that night, but that she made a mistake marrying him because she never really loved him the way she did Luke.

As of now, Luke has no idea what happened in the C/L "marriage" - for all he knows, Chris could have walked away and left Lorelai heartbroken and pining after him - maybe by the time this party happens, she has let him know what she is really feeling or why would he be making himself vulnerable to her yet again.

Saranoh · 04-14-2007, 05:26 PM

Have ya'll forgotten that Lorelai is proactive BEFORE Luke ever throws the party for Rory? There's no need to get all bent out of shape over this. What the heck is so wrong about having a re-confirmation? Lorelai has one, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she NEEDS it. Plus I'm assuming that as a single parent, finding someone that loves your child almost as much as you do would be a major turn on.

Shu · 04-14-2007, 05:28 PM

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Have ya'll forgotten that Lorelai is proactive BEFORE Luke ever throws the party for Rory? There's no need to get all bent out of shape over this. What the heck is so wrong about having a re-confirmation? Lorelai has one, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she NEEDS it. Plus I'm assuming that as a single parent, finding someone that loves your child almost as much as you do would be a major turn on.

i think that a rock hit her head will metaphorically hit her in the next episode forcing her to wakeup from her ridiculous coma.

lancer1993 · 04-14-2007, 05:28 PM

I don't think it a case that Luke needs to prove himself, that implies he is wanting Lorelai back and making active decision to have that happen. when will they realise they both want the same thing again?

IMO they will both use actions to show there love for each other, then once they realize this they need to talk and maybe they then come to the new understanding as to where they stand?

clmorrow · 04-14-2007, 05:31 PM

Just for the record: I'm hardly bent out of shape or overreacting - I'm simply stating my thoughts and opinion about what's going on - big difference. I never forget this is a tv program, not real life - so no getting out of shape happening here.

Saranoh · 04-14-2007, 05:33 PM

I also wanted to say that all throughout the first half of season 6, Lorelai had moments where it was re-confirmed for her that Luke was a wonderful guy. That doesn't mean that she didn't know it already.

voncey · 04-14-2007, 05:33 PM

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Have ya'll forgotten that Lorelai is proactive BEFORE Luke ever throws the party for Rory? There's no need to get all bent out of shape over this. What the heck is so wrong about having a re-confirmation? Lorelai has one, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she NEEDS it. Plus I'm assuming that as a single parent, finding someone that loves your child almost as much as you do would be a major turn on.

Except we've already seen this. Lorelai asked Luke to marry her at the end of S5 because of his Rory rant. We know Luke loves Rory; Lorelai knows this too.

I'd rather see Lorelai have her "epiphany" about Luke in just about any other situation -- mid-rant about something Taylor does because she loves RantingLuke, or have her see him do something nice for Kirk or see him treat Liz or April with the gentleness that we've all seen. Anything but "I love him because he loves my daughter" because for me it just reminds me what a ****ty father Christopher was and how Lorelai nevertheless always forgave him, slept with him and then married him without their daughter being there.

Cappuccino · 04-14-2007, 05:40 PM

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I don't think Lorelai NEEDS this in order to realize that Luke's a good guy. She knows that he is. What the party shows her is that Luke loves her enough to throw a party for her daughter. I think she needs this confirmation after all that has happened. You only throw a party for someone that you really love and care about.

Nice that Luke has to prove himself over and over again to her while Chris was never there for his OWN daughter or had to prove anything that he's worth it. He just needed to say Lor you're it for me and boom she jumps and marries the

Really great

Kick the guy who was ALWAYS there and picked up the pieces where it hurts the most but the guy who hurts her consistently and ignores his daughter completely unless he gets into LOR's pants can put one ugly ring on her finger and she forgives him in a heartbeat.

Saranoh · 04-14-2007, 05:40 PM

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Except we've already seen this. Lorelai asked Luke to marry her at the end of S5 because of his Rory rant. We know Luke loves Rory; Lorelai knows this too.

I'd rather see Lorelai have her "epiphany" about Luke in just about any other situation -- mid-rant about something Taylor does because she loves RantingLuke, or have her see him do something nice for Kirk or see him treat Liz or April with the gentleness that we've all seen. Anything but "I love him because he loves my daughter" because for me it just reminds me what a ****ty father Christopher was and how Lorelai nevertheless always forgave him, slept with him and then married him without their daughter being there.

But Lorelai LOVES the fact that Luke loves her daughter. I think it's one of the things that she loves about him the most. And I don't see why that's so wrong. And like I said before, Lorelai already declares her love to Luke when she sings IWALY in 7.20. She's not falling all over herself drunk. She's tipsy, but she's aware of what she's doing. I think Lorelai knows she loves Luke before Luke throws the party. I think the party just shows her that Luke still loves her daughter as well. Even after everything that's happened. It is a tad redudndant, but I still think it's sweet.

clmorrow · 04-14-2007, 05:40 PM

Well said Voncey - that is also my feeling - that there has been so little real creative juices flowing regarding these two and a lot of other stuff on the show - they keep giving us different versions of stuff that has been done in the past instead of actually doing something new and fresh for the show.

Saranoh · 04-14-2007, 05:42 PM

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Nice that Luke has to prove himself over and over again to her while Chris was never there was his OWN daughter or had to prove anything that he's worth it. He just needed to say Lor you're it for me and boom she jumps and marries the

Really great

Kick the guy who was ALWAYS there and picked up the pieces where it hurts the most but the guy who hurts her consistently and ignores his daughter completely unless he gets into LOR's pants can put one ugly ring on her finger and she forgives him in a heartbeat.

Where does it say that Luke needs to prove himself to Lorelai? The spoiler says nothing about that.

And why(this is not directed at anyone in particular) does everything also need to come back to Chris? There's nothing that even implies that the ONLY reason Lorelai loves Luke is because he loves her and Rory. I just don't understand why we're reading doom and gloom into something that should make us happy.

Ciaobella · 04-14-2007, 05:42 PM

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Just caught the last few minutes of "The Philadelphia Story" and the bit about how she and Cary Grant are talking about the boat they had, the "True Love" and he says he is going to sell it, to get something more practical because the first one only couldhave two people on it....hmmm.

I agree - I'm sick of Luke over all the years being the one being depicted as showing he is worthy of her...I too want something more than she's sorry for having shagged Chris that night - there's the whole insane "marriage" and divorce - but, I know we won't get it - she's one of the lead characters, so it won't happen and I'm now okay with that.

It's sad - I really loved the Lorelai character for years - flaws and all but after ASP's hatchet job and the character's behavior this year, I'm no longer a fan of hers - I don't dislike the character - I just don't really care about whether she winds up happy or not - But, I do care about Luke and if she's what Luke wants, then I want him to be with her.

Woah, get OUT of my head lol. I used to absolutely, unconditionally adore Lorelai. She could do nothing wrong in my eyes because girlfriend stood up to her rich parents and raised her daughter on her own and worked her butt off and achieved her dream.

Then Christopher showed up. Again. And Again. And Again. Now I know we all have our weaknesses, or Achielle's heel. But at the same time this great guy was in front of her taking care of Rory without expecting anything in return. He was totally selfless in his love for her and her daughter, even while watching her engaged to someone else (c'mon, he made her a chuppah for her wedding to the other guy!), watched her breakdown when Christopher broke her heart again, protected her daughter agst her stupid boyfriends and probably emptied his bank account when she needed money. He endured the whithering insults from her mother, all kinds of attacks on his manhood, had to swallow his pride a couple of times, took care of her dog, renovated her house....and he still adored her. He probably loved her too much, because the moment he turned his attention elsewhere and gave her less than she was used to, she couldn't handle it. He created this situation where she took his 100% devotion for granted. Even she admitted to Sookie that he does so much for her, she should let him have his grandmother's fugly furniture; but she couldn't. It was then that I realized Lorelai was basically a selfish person. Maybe she lived too singularly for too long; except for Rory, she only had to take care of herself and her needs. And she became used to Luke taking care of her, sometimes at a moments notice too.

So sometime in the last two years, the show became about Luke and his happiness. And darn it, if that's Lorelai, then I want him to have her. But for his happiness, not hers. I guess that means I am watching the wrong show. Sigh.

Oh and about The Phila Story, don't forget in the end Cary Grant saves the cancelled wedding by talking Katherine Hepburn into marrying him. Just sayin'.

rootin4ll · 04-14-2007, 05:43 PM

Is there a transcript from the TV guide podcast from yesterday? Or is it even worth having it?

commodore · 04-14-2007, 05:44 PM

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But Lorelai LOVES the fact that Luke loves her daughter. I think it's one of the things that she loves about him the most. And I don't see why that's so wrong. And like I said before, Lorelai already declares her love to Luke when she sings IWALY in 7.20. She's not falling all over herself drunk. She's tipsy, but she's aware of what she's doing. I think Lorelai knows she loves Luke before Luke throws the party. I think the party just shows her that Luke still loves her daughter as well. Even after everything that's happened. It is a tad redudndant, but I still think it's sweet.

But...that's the point. If Lorelai is using this song to tell Luke in a (in her view) heartfelt way that she will always love him, then why are further realizations needed? The fact that Luke cares for Rory is of course a big part of why Lorelai loves him. It's always been a big part. How many times are they going to repeat this same realization? Until the bitter end, apparently. It stinks of dragging out this story until the very last moment.

withbatedbreath · 04-14-2007, 05:45 PM

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Is there a transcript from the TV guide podcast from yesterday? Or is it even worth having it?

I don't believe it said anything, MA just hinted that he had read the finale script, but gave away nothing.