notoutforawalk

Maybe. Doesn't mean anyone has to be happy. I have been on the bitter train for a while though. I am looking forward to what seems to be coming, but it doesn't mean I actually believe it. Then again, if the XF taught me anything, it taught me to "Believe the Lie." So, if they want me to believe that it suddenly wasn't right or whatever, and it gets me what I want? Fine. It is just a show after all, not the national debt. (Or so I keep trying to tell myself. )

clmorrow

If I had just stumbled into this show last year and saw this nonsense play out, I wouldn't give a rats ass - but I've been watching this darn show since it premiered in 2000 - and it was the only show I made a point of watching and I got sucked in to the story and into the lives of the characters and to have Lorelai suddenly acting like someone else's head has been grafted onto her body bugs the heck out of me and I do want more than just "it wasn't right" -

It felt like no thought went into it at all by the writers - they sucked it up, stuck us with this stupid C/L stuff because they had DS on contract and when his contract was up - they just got rid of him with barely a blinking of an eyelash...sorry, but for me, as a fan for all these years, that was just too lazy on their part - as was the whole idiotic storyline.

Thankfully I'm no longer attached to any show like this so there won't be any disappointment on my part when the writers decide not to bother putting any energy into their story telling...all, of course, my personal opinion.

I loved the early years when ASP cared about the show and characters -yeah, there were a few instances when the characters did something headscratching, but at least she seemed to care about the story she was weaving, but, that was then and this is now....

Saranoh

How is C/L not being right a lie?

ETA: I just didn't feel that it was all that sudden. The groundwork was laid in 7.09. Sure it was pretty subtle, but I thought it was clear enough.

caf123

Because by wanting to want him, she is betraying her daughter and her own principles - at least, the principles she used to believe in. The basic principles that most people probably believe in, that it's wrong to desert one's child, it's wrong to go through life taking and never giving, trying to mess up someone else's relationship, never thinking about anyone but himself, never caring about what he does to other people, especially his own daughter.

The Lorelai we knew might have hoped he would grow up, would mature, but she never condoned that behavior or shrugged it off. Not until this year.

Being plain stupid isn't the same as betrayal.

It was worse than non-sensical. Running off with a guy she met in a bar would be non-sensical. And we wouldn't need to try so hard, because it wouldn't betray - yes, that word again - who she was.

Saranoh

I understand that. I do. But I just don't think it makes sense to dwell on it. It's over and done with. Lorelai admitted that it wasn't right. Why can't we just put the past behind us? I think the characters on the show have. And I think Lorelai made her peace with Chris's negligence long ago. I just think all the bitterness is completely counter-productive. Things are finally getting better. Why can't we just let go?

clmorrow

But it isn't over and done with - what happened will have an impact as the backdrop on whatever is coming up for L/L - and given that it was all dismissed and done so shabbily, for me, having L/L reunite in the next five episodes will be ridiculous no matter how they do it - there just isn't the time to make this next part of this story believable or satisfying as a love story - but, again, that's just me.

Spikette

I think you're right, Saranoh. We have to accept what is and keep an open mind for the episodes ahead. I guess we need to see the characters the way the writers want us to see them and try not to overanalyze.

Ciaobella

Well they have to, there's only five episodes left for them . For us it lives on in reruns and message boards lol.

Saranoh

L/C IS over and done with, though. It is. I can pretty much guarantee that Luke will have an easier time getting past everything than we will.

ETA: I guess I just don't understand why dwelling on the past is necessary. If L/L can trust each other, why can't we trust them? Luke is no dummy. He obviously knows that Lorelai is a good person for the most part. He wouldn't reconcile with her if he didn't.

Katiegg108

I agree with you.

We're still debating the whole CL mess because it's looming over everything. Every convo LL have about their relationship now will end up relating back to either the night of partings or the CL marriage or something else that's happened since season 6. And if some of us still don't fully understand or feel satisfied with how the entire CL thing was explaned (on screen), how can we expect anything that happens with LL to make any more sense?

caf123

Actually, I'm not analyzing - I watched her with Christopher, and it turned my stomach. They never showed anything to make it feel better.

The only reason for analyzing is to try to put all Ciaobella's spilt paint back in the can. To try to find "deep" meanings or excuses - and it doesn't work. In the end, all that's left is to try to forget - pretend it didn't happen - and just look forward to the chemistry.

Problem is, I used to enjoy the whole of this show. I didn't need to eternal sunshine my mind first. That's the overanalyzing. They've made it impossible to simply enjoy it any more.

On a slightly happier note - I apologize for not entirely catching up but I didn't notice this brought over yet?

tazzded

and fanfics

Saranoh

Because Luke WILL feel satisfied. We either take the leap of faith with him, or we don't.

jalapeno_wildchild

there are some really good fanfics out there on the net too.

lancer1993

Thanks caf for the MM stuff, but I still wonder with MM (and Sookie) having babies first will MM have the time to do both or would she drop "Sam I Am" for GG or will Sookie having the baby be the perfect time for Sookie to go MIA onscreen?

Okay back to catching the last 3 pages...