[peachypeep]

Originally Posted by pimbolina (View Post) As long as Rory has her mom around her, she doesn’t exactly behave like a 22 year old. It’s because of Lorelai’s mothering that Rory is the way she is, so it all falls back to Lorelai. Lorelai can’t live without Rory near by her side so she made sure Rory depends on her a lot and I’m afraid that won’t change anytime soon. So poor Logan, for assuming he could have a life with Rory without Lorelai being a part 24/7 of it.

I don't agree with this. I thought Lorelai's expression at the end regarding Logan's desire to marry Rory had much more to do with how vulnerable Rory is right now, and little or nothing to do with her moving away.

Logan needed to get a grip on things - getting his head back into working for a living - before he proposed, and I think Rory is in the one who needs to get a grip on her own life and career for a little while. I swear this is a set up for S8!

[Rebeccajill]

Originally Posted by The.Gilmore.Way (View Post) So I wanted to see the R/L reactions for last night's episode... Hmm... Rude? I'm used to reading your comments, but Lorelai's not to blame here. You love Rory and you should know how insecure she is about her future. She has not found a job and her career goes first, we saw that in her discussion with Paris. Why would she say yes, leave for California and not concentrate on her real goals? "No" is a normal reaction. Especially in front of so many people! So honestly, I hope they do not break-up because of that, but if they do? Don't blame it on Lorelai. She's a mother. And if Rory is influenced by her a lot of the time, I think she's able to make her own decisions. She's 22, remember?

Right now Rory has no job prospects, so there's nothing holding her back from saying 'yes' to Logan and going to San Francisco where there are job possibilities. Logan has never held her back from what she wants to do, so he would be more than supportive while she seeks for a job out there.

The fact that they have her not realize this and question everything is just what doesn't sit well with me.

If they hadn't been showing their relationship as strong as it is, I would possibly agree with you that "no" is a normal reaction, but the way they have portrayed Rory and Logan's relationship, an outright "no" doesn't seem normal.

The fact that she has to think about it does seem normal for Rory. But the fact that she has to go and "beg" Lorelai about what to do instead of talking it through with Logan only shows us that she's not as "independent" as she may think she is. I would say her talking it through with Logan and what not would be Rory making her own decisions, but the fact that she has to go and "beg" Lorelai about it, clearly, shows me that she's not.

ETA: We get that it's a possible set up for S8 (and I only say "possible" since we don't know for sure if S8 is on or if Logan will even be present in a S8). What doesn't make sense or what we don't like is the way they've gone about it. It's a whole mix of regression to Lorelai not liking/trusting Logan pre-"A Vineyard Valentine" and recycling of storylines of Rory having a freakout meltdown, ala, end of Season 5. And yes, Lorelai, you can be disappointed with Rory, because that's what you were with her end of Season 5/beginning of Season 6.

[pimbolina]

Originally Posted by The.Gilmore.Way (View Post) You actually think so?

Yes, something wrong with that?

She only went back to Lorelai to get a comfort zone. She's lost at the moment, like she was in 5.22 (where she didn't even go to Lorelai, but to E/R!).

She only went to E/R because her mom didn’t allow her to come home, because for once Rory didn’t want to do what Lorelai suggested.

Lorelai was not protective of her daughter; she only wanted what was best for her, pushed her towards taking risks.

Do you think the same when it comes to Emily and Lorelai?
How is wanting the best and pushing Rory not Lorelai being protective?

How can you blame a child for following in on her mother's footstep in insecurities in love, for example? Lorelai told her she did not want Rory to be like her in 1.20, if I remember correctly.

But Rory is her mother’s daughter. Lorelai made Rory depended only on her, that’s why she moved away from Emily/Richard and didn’t want Chris to be a part of their lives. It was always those two in their own little world.

It's a lot of pressure, getting out of college and all, especially when you have no clue where you're going! I had trouble finding a summer job... a summer job! I got an interview today, but totally blew off my boyfriend when he proposed to do a trip during the summer. Why? Because I need to know where i'm headed before making decisions like that... and mind you; mine is not life-altering, contrary to Rory.

But isn’t it so much better to know that there’s someone there for you who loves you and wants to factor you in his life. Rory can live her dream anywhere she wants and with Logan by her side. Logan would give her all the time to figure it out, he just wants to be a part of it.

Originally Posted by captnerin (View Post) true. it's one thing to have close relationship with your parents. i directly don't blame lorelai for rory's problems. but i do believe that rory is the way she is because of lorelai. i would like to see her branch out of her mother's wings.

Exactly, that's what I would like to see too.

Originally Posted by peachypeep (View Post) I don't agree with this. I thought Lorelai's expression at the end regarding Logan's desire to marry Rory had much more to do with how vulnerable Rory is right now, and little or nothing to do with her moving away.

Well, we have to disagree here.
Lorelai is afraid to loose Rory, she already said that she can't imagine how it will be when Rory moves away from her for a job offer. If Rory only moves away because of a job, Lorelai's home would be still Rory's place to come home too, but if she moves away with Logan as her husband that's a different matter, of course it would be still her home but she would have her own place and life with Logan too. And I don't think Lorelai is ready for this.

Logan needed to get a grip on things - getting his head back into working for a living - before he proposed, and I think Rory is in the one who needs to get a grip on her own life and career for a little while. I swear this is a set up for S8!

I hope it's all a set up for Season 8 too. But I think with Lorelai always around her, Rory is never going to be able to get a grip on her own life and career.

[gilmorebrazil]

Don't blame it on Lorelai. She's a mother.

So is Emily. And I just wished the writers would treat her feelings with the same benevolence they are giving to Lorelai. This double standard in the show upsets more than anything else.

And I don't blame Lorelai (I may not like her right now, which is different). I do blame the writers.

And if Rory is influenced by her a lot of the time, I think she's able to make her own decisions. She's 22, remember?

Another thing I would wish the writers could remember: Rory is 22, not that 16 years old girl anymore. Another meltdown a la end of season 5 only make the whole rift pointless...

If they hadn't been showing their relationship as strong as it is, I would possibly agree with you that "no" is a normal reaction, but the way they have portrayed Rory and Logan's relationship, an outright "no" doesn't seem normal. The fact that she has to think about it does seem normal for Rory. But the fact that she has to go and "beg" Lorelai about what to do instead of talking it through with Logan only shows us that she's not as "independent" as she may think she is. I would say her talking it through with Logan and what not would be Rory making her own decisions, but the fact that she has to go and "beg" Lorelai about it, clearly, shows me that she's not. ETA: We get that it's a possible set up for S8 (and I only say "possible" since we don't know for sure if S8 is on or if Logan will even be present in a S8). What doesn't make sense or what we don't like is the way they've gone about it. It's a whole mix of regression to Lorelai not liking/trusting Logan pre-"A Vineyard Valentine" and recycling of storylines of Rory having a freakout meltdown, ala, end of Season 5. And yes, Lorelai, you can be disappointed with Rory, because that's what you were with her end of Season 5/beginning of Season 6.

[catkirk7]

Originally Posted by peachypeep (View Post) I don't agree with this. I thought Lorelai's expression at the end regarding Logan's desire to marry Rory had much more to do with how vulnerable Rory is right now, and little or nothing to do with her moving away.

I disagree. If that's what they were trying to portray, then I think she should have looked more concerned, less completely devastated. I think part of it was Rory moving away. Her face changed the second he mentioned asking Rory to move with him. Also, it almost felt like we were back to last year where Lorelai was jealous of all these young women finding and achieving love before she's able to. It felt like the same look as when Chris said "Rory could be next." Nothing about that look said 'this is the wrong time for Rory' to me.

[captnerin]

Originally Posted by pimbolina (View Post) But isn’t it so much better to know that there’s someone there for you who loves you and wants to factor you in his life. Rory can live her dream anywhere she wants and with Logan by her side. Logan would give her all the time to figure it out, he just wants to be a part of it.

which is why i think logan proposes to her. this whole season we've seen logan confident of his feelings towards rory, while rory was either hesitant or surprised at logan's actions. it seemed like logan was always making the effort. maybe he knew that they would have to do the distance thing, thinking that she may not want to go to sf right away. so i can see this proposal as a way for logan to take away those insecurities about their relationship away from rory, and letting her know that she's it for him.

Originally Posted by catkirk7 (View Post) I disagree. If that's what they were trying to portray, then I think she should have looked more concerned, less completely devastated. I think part of it was Rory moving away. Her face changed the second he mentioned asking Rory to move with him. Also, it almost felt like we were back to last year where Lorelai was jealous of all these young women finding and achieving love before she's able to. It felt like the same look as when Chris said "Rory could be next." Nothing about that look said 'this is the wrong time for Rory' to me.

i agree. with you disagreeing. if that makes sense. i hope next week we get to see lorelai genuinely happy and pleased with logan, that's if the episode starts off where last night's ended. i'm hoping her look was more of a shock, in a good way. at first, i was thinking that she would be more concerned that rory would be across the country. and i'll admit i was thinking her thoughts would be a little more selfish, because honestly, that's how her feelings about rory has been, that she wants her close to home and this kid is stealing rory away from her. not trying to bash lorelai here. that's just what i was thinking.

[pimbolina]

New promo is up, a bit longer and gotta love Richard. GG Promo 7x21 - youtube
And Logan is so cute and I love the look E/R share when he proposes.

[captnerin]

awww. he's nervous.

[wej5541]

Logan tells the crowd that he didn't think he would be that nervous.

I still personally think that Rory is still down about her job search at the party so he tries to cheer her up with the proposal.

[La Linn]

In the promo, what clothes is Rory wearing? Anyone remember the tour reports where Rory and Logan where yelling. Did they do that the night of the party and proposal or the day/night of the graduation/Rory turning Logan down?


ETA: I think Logan's clothes looks like the one we have seen tour reports photos of. But they were taken outside Yale. I must be mixing things.

[TheJSW]

I am enduring an asthma attack right now. So I apologize if this comes across overly bitchy. However, Gilmore Way, I really dont need a professional lurker telling me I am rude. I also do not need to read more IN DEFENSE OF LORELAI posts.

While one can twist my meaning with the above paragraph. You can do what you want. I am simply stating that this is a Rory and Logan thread, and Lorelai does not have a lot of friend's here. She makes everything about her. She cannot give someone like Logan the respect he has EARNED by responding to him. She goes blank. She's a joke. Excuse me for not getting the joke. If that's rude. Again, my lungs, are suddenly grasping for air.


Peach said; "

Originally Posted by peachypeep (View Post) I don't agree with this. I thought Lorelai's expression at the end regarding Logan's desire to marry Rory had much more to do with how vulnerable Rory is right now, and little or nothing to do with her moving away. Logan needed to get a grip on things - getting his head back into working for a living - before he proposed, and I think Rory is in the one who needs to get a grip on her own life and career for a little while. I swear this is a set up for S8!

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Here's my problem with your argument. The same argument the writers seem to have as well. You are looking at a superiour couple through a LL paradigm, and I simply do not buy it. The only set-up Rory and Logan needed for a season 8 was where to live with one another. If I could come up with a scenario for Rory and Logan to start a season 8 with, then the writers should be as creative as struggling to breathe me.

Yet, they are not, and fans of this couple are stuck with their (and your's) JJ logic. Unlike LL who needed time apart. RL are getting seperated on the thinest of premises, and the fans of this couple are expected to choke it down like greek salad. It's pathetic on multiple levels that JJs are running this writing room. I had no idea that the was not with you guys, but with them.

Nevertheless, Lorelai's look to the proposal came across as the LORELAI version of the way Rory respond to Lorelai still loving Luke. These two broads are so ****ing clueless. They have no idea how much they love their guys due to their co-dependency. The only thing Rory needs to do in order to get a handle on her life, is to leave her mother behind. She's had a dream about her mother ABANDONING her at the age of 22! If anything shows how patheticly anchored she is to her mother. It's that dream. This sucks, and there's no way to defend it. Unlike LL breaking up and blowing up. This journey is totally pointless.

ETA: I think it's time for Bonnie Tyler to explain all of this. HIT IT BONNIE!

TOTAL ECLIPSE OF THE HEART (Bonnie Tyler )

Turnaround, every now and then I get a
little bit lonely and you're never coming around
Turnaround, Every now and then I get a
little bit tired of listening to the sound of my tears
Turnaround, Every now and then I get a
little bit nervous that the best of all the years have gone by
Turnaround, Every now and then I get a
little bit terrified and then I see the look in your eyes
Turnaround bright eyes, Every now and
then I fall apart
Turnaround bright eyes, Every now and
then I fall apart

Turnaround, Every now and then I get a
little bit restless and I dream of something wild
Turnaround, Every now and then I get a
little bit helpless and I'm lying like a child in your arms
Turnaround, Every now and then I get a
little bit angry and I know I've got to get out and cry
Turnaround, Every now and then I get a
little bit terrified but then I see the look in your eyes
Turnaround bright eyes, Every now and
then I fall apart
Turnaround bright eyes, Every now and
then I fall apart

And I need you now tonight
And I need you more than ever
And if you'll only hold me tight
We'll be holding on forever
And we'll only be making it right
Cause we'll never be wrong together
We can take it to the end of the line
Your love is like a shadow on me all of the time
I don't know what to do and I'm always in the dark
We're living in a powder keg and giving off sparks
I really need you tonight
Forever's gonna start tonight
Forever's gonna start tonight

Once upon a time I was falling in love
But now I'm only falling apart
There's nothing I can do
A total eclipse of the heart
Once upon a time there was light in my life
But now there's only love in the dark
Nothing I can say
A total eclipse of the heart

Turnaround bright eyes
Turnaround bright eyes
Turnaround, every now and then I know
you'll never be the boy you always you wanted to be
Turnaround, every now and then I know
you'll always be the only boy who wanted me the way that I am
Turnaround, every now and then I know
there's no one in the universe as magical and wonderous as you
Turnaround, every now and then I know
there's nothing any better and there's nothing I just wouldn't do
Turnaround bright eyes, Every now and
then I fall apart
Turnaround bright eyes, Every now and
then I fall apart

And I need you now tonight
And I need you more than ever
And if you'll only hold me tight
We'll be holding on forever
And we'll only be making it right
Cause we'll never be wrong together
We can take it to the end of the line
Your love is like a shadow on me all of the time
I don't know what to do and I'm always in the dark
We're living in a powder keg and giving off sparks
I really need you tonight
Forever's gonna start tonight
Forever's gonna start tonight

Once upon a time I was falling in love
But now I'm only falling apart
There's nothing I can do
A total eclipse of the heart
Once upon a time there was light in my life
But now there's only love in the dark
Nothing I can say
A total eclipse of the heart

[gilmorebrazil]

Originally Posted by La Linn (View Post) In the promo,, what clothes is Rory wearing? Anyone remember the tour reports where Rory and Logan where yelling. Did they do that the night of the party and proposal or the day/night of the graduation/Rory turning Logan down?

I think pictures and clips from tour reports showed RL wearing their clothes from the party/proposal. But the site tvaddict gave the spoilers about Rory turning him down and giving back the ring the day of her graduation ceremony.

ETA: I think Logan's clothes looks like the one we have seen tour reports photos of. But they were taken outside Yale. I must be mixing things.

Probably, after he proposes, Rory pulls him outside where they'll fight.

ETA: thanks pimbolina

[catkirk7]

Thanks pimbolina.

I wonder what Richard is talking to Lorelai about when he says "enjoy your daughter's graduation..." What's going on that Lorelai isn't enjoying it? Is she upset about the proposal? I'm confused.

[pimbolina]

Originally Posted by catkirk7 (View Post) I wonder what Richard is talking to Lorelai about when he says "enjoy your daughter's graduation..." What's going on that Lorelai isn't enjoying it? Is she upset about the proposal? I'm confused.

Maybe Lorelai graces everyone with her sad face, because she can't let Rory go or she's upset because she told Luke the song didn't mean anything to her and he told her the same.

[Rebeccajill]

So not only can we "enjoy Rory's graduation" neither can Lorelai? Can Rory enjoy it?

If they wrote her as saying "yes," we could have enjoyment all around. Instead, it's just all something no one seems to enjoy.

That's just how I always pictured Rory's graduation from Yale.