Spoilers - GG R/L SS #268: Matt? Matt? ... Why can't we find him? - Page 16

blaab · 04-20-2007, 08:36 AM

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DSR idea of "good drama" it's not better than ASP's...

Oh Sorry, see, I went into protective ASP-mode and didn't read your post careful enough! I agree with you. DSR's idea of "good drama" is not better than ASP's. Hers was much better

Or well the built up, the cause etc.

gilmorebrazil · 04-20-2007, 09:02 AM

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Oh Sorry, see, I went into protective ASP-mode and didn't read your post careful enough! I agree with you. DSR's idea of "good drama" is not better than ASP's. Hers was much better

Haha. I've posted that before and I will say it again: I miss ASP. No matter how many times I wans't happy with her decisions, the woman is brilliant. And she is consistent in her writing (most time, at least). And, with Daniel, she was doing a great job to balance the show for different characters, with different visions. And things with her weren't so black and white. I miss her voice in the show!

Now, from the moment she ended Rory-Lorelai rift and, instead of investing more in the Gilmore's relationships, she brought the LLD and drag LL down fall and Lorelai's sad faces for half of a season, I'll reserve me the right to not compliment her idea of what is "good drama" that much.

Though, I have in mind that if she was still in charge, she probably would have clean the mess better than DSR.

ETA: I saw you edited your post. Well, somewhat we agree then

Cerra · 04-20-2007, 09:26 AM

The thing about ASP vs DSR, is that even when I didn't like one of Amy's storylines, I never questioned if she cared about the characters. I do question that with DSR. He's not invested the way ASP was, the way we are. It's a job to him. And it's a job he hasn't done very well.

I didn't like LL's arc in the second half of season 6, but it didn't come out of nowhere. Flaws that Luke and Lorelai had were magnified because of the introduction of April, but they were still flaws you could see from the very beginning of the series.

I didn't like the adultery storyline for Rory at the end of season 4 and beginning of season 5. But I could at least understand why Rory would attempt a relationship with Dean again.

I didn't like the rift. I didn't like Lorelai cutting Rory off, but I didn't find it out of character.

Even when I didn't like one of ASP's plots, I at least understood the characters' motivations. I don't get that with DSR. It goes beyond bad storytelling with him. I don't always feel like he has an understanding of who these characters are.

I miss the Palladinos.

blaab · 04-20-2007, 09:45 AM

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Even when I didn't like one of ASP's plots, I at least understood the characters' motivations.

Totally Cerra, I couldn't agree more! Somehow I always got the logic of the characters when ASP was around, even though I might not have liked the events I saw played out. And again my, let's say, frustration right now with DR, is based on what we have been told by spoilers what will happen to Rory and Logan ... I will have no problem to take back this remark about DR if it turns out we have been foilered all the way. But I do think the chances of that are not there really.

But besides that I do also miss the genious of ASP. Like Gilmorebrazil said: I miss her voice, I would add her 'crazyness'. Damn, I even loved reading her interviews: "Are you on crack" "Who do I give a b-j for an Emmy nom for ...?" But this is something I do not feel I can 'blame' DR for, that was something I knew would change the moment I heard the news ASP and DR were leaving this show. That was so them, I didn't expect anyone to give that same feeling, because that simply is an impossible thing to ask of someone.

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And, with Daniel, she was doing a great job to balance the show for different characters, with different visions. And things with her weren't so black and white. I miss her voice in the show!

We agree somewhat? I would think mostly

fox24 · 04-20-2007, 10:11 AM

I miss ASP even if I didn't always like her storylines they at least made sense and didn't come out of nowhere the way DR's is doing she at least knew how to make an arc. She cared about all her characters unlike DR who undervalues some

vanillacup · 04-20-2007, 10:27 AM

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The thing about ASP vs DSR, is that even when I didn't like one of Amy's storylines, I never questioned if she cared about the characters. I do question that with DSR. He's not invested the way ASP was, the way we are. It's a job to him. And it's a job he hasn't done very well.

Even when I didn't like one of ASP's plots, I at least understood the characters' motivations. I don't get that with DSR. It goes beyond bad storytelling with him. I don't always feel like he has an understanding of who these characters are.

I miss the Palladinos.

Yes. The Palladinos cared about the characters they created; Rosenthal does not. But, as show runner Rosenthal and his writers should at least go back to the old episodes and even old notes, if there are any, so they will stay loyal to the Palladinos' vision.

Right now, from all the spoilers around, Rory and Logan are both out of character. Knowing how Logan can read Rory, why in the world would he propose so publicly? And, Rory, knowing how Logan would do anything for her, why would she push him away?

It is just so depressing that the storyteller who is supposed to be able to continue the work of the Palladinos is turning everything into chaos. Just awful.

peachypeep · 04-20-2007, 10:48 AM

I don't think for one second that ASP would NOT have broken up Rory and Logan, but that's just me.

catkirk7 · 04-20-2007, 10:55 AM

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I don't think for one second that ASP would NOT have broken up Rory and Logan, but that's just me.

You're right, but at least it wouldn't have popped out of nowhere. It probably wouldn't be much comfort as it was happening, but where we're at now I'm appreciating her storytelling.

I will say that she didn't wrap up her stories very well. There were plenty of big issues with the rift that never got cleaned up.

gilmorebrazil · 04-20-2007, 11:13 AM

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I don't think for one second that ASP would NOT have broken up Rory and Logan, but that's just me.

I agree. ASP brought Jess and the bridesmaids. So it would be naive to believe that she would write an easy ride for RL this season or the next (if there is/was a next season for RL). But big twists usually didn't come from nowhere with Amy.

And, as others said, she didn't undervalue main characters like DSR. That's something that Rory and Logan fans have been complaining since the first half of the season.

fox24 · 04-20-2007, 11:31 AM

Under ASP if she were to break them up they would had an arc leading to there break up it wouldn't suddenly come out of nowhere. Even on GA that seems to be copying are storyline by having Derek starting to choose work over his girlfriend is right now going through an arc

peachypeep · 04-20-2007, 11:47 AM

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I agree. ASP brought Jess and the bridesmaids. So it would be naive to believe that she would write an easy ride for RL this season or the next (if there is/was a next season for RL). But big twists usually didn't come from nowhere with Amy.

And, as others said, she didn't undervalue main characters like DSR. That's something that Rory and Logan fans have been complaining since the first half of the season.

ASP would have had one those bridesmaids be knocked-up!

gilmorebrazil · 04-20-2007, 12:39 PM

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ASP would have had one those bridesmaids be knocked-up!

Could be or not. We don't know that.

But at least, ASP would tell us Rory's feelings about the pregnant bridesmaid, not Lorelai's feelings, concerns and POVs etc etc etc about the issue. It wouldn't be about Lorelai as Rory's mother, but about Rory per se.

Cerra · 04-20-2007, 12:47 PM

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You're right, but at least it wouldn't have popped out of nowhere. It probably wouldn't be much comfort as it was happening, but where we're at now I'm appreciating her storytelling.

Exactly. There would have been an obvious build up to it. Rory and Logan breaking up would have been painful for me to watch no matter what, but I doubt I would be left wondering where it was coming from if ASP was still in charge. And I don't think it would have been done in such a way that made me never want to watch the show again. I never felt like tuning out when Rory and Logan broke up or had problems in season 6.

Also, I don't think ASP would have had them break up in 721 unless she knew for certain there was going to be a season 8. In DSR's mind, this is, apparently, a satisfying end to the series for Rory. I don't think ASP would have felt the same way.

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I will say that she didn't wrap up her stories very well. There were plenty of big issues with the rift that never got cleaned up.

The way the rift ended didn't bother me because it seemed true to life for me. Things get swept under the rug all the time, only to resurface later. I always figured ASP would bring back issues from the rift before the series ended, though. There was just too much there for her not to. I could be wrong.

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And, as others said, she didn't undervalue main characters like DSR. That's something that Rory and Logan fans have been complaining since the first half of the season.

That's what bugs me most about DSR. He has centered this show around Lorelai. Everything runs through Lorelai, even things that she should have no involvement in. I always felt there were two leads when ASP was in charge. There were times when one or the other was more of a focus, based on what was going on in each storyline. But it never felt like either Rory or Lorelai was an afterthought the way Rory has seemed at times this season. I don't feel like he cares about Emily and Richard either. And, considering what's about to happen, I think it's clear he thinks Logan is disposable.

La Linn · 04-20-2007, 12:57 PM

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ASP would have had one those bridesmaids be knocked-up!

I'm taking a short break from my GG hiatus to reply to this.

Since Amy had Logan sleeping with them at TG and them being friends of Honor, Logan (and we) would have known about it at the wedding if that was the case.
So, no I don't think so.

I do think she had plans for Rory to be attracted to another guy while Logan was in London though.

**Katiegg108** · 04-20-2007, 01:12 PM

The podcast's up. There wasn't much about GG. They talked about the "possible" shortened season 8, and MA said that can be changed to "likely," rather than possible. He said everyone's talking about it like it's a done deal, but that, of course, nothing's on paper yet.

Mike said that he wrote that it comes done to Lauren being the deciding factor because she'll base her decision on what AB does. If Alexis says she'll do, say, 8 episodes, Lauren will have to decide if that's enough for her to want to come back. He said that Matt's role in a season 8 seems pretty clear based on the spoilers. (But that was just his opinion).

As for the episode, Mike really liked the RL stuff. In reaction to an angry letter about how they're showing RL being together so well, yet they're going to break them up, Mike commented on how just because we know a couple's going to break up that they're final weeks together do not have to be miserable. And they all discussed how they thought Rory was crazy to turn down the job.