Spoilers - GG R/L SS #268: Matt? Matt? ... Why can't we find him? - Page 15

GEORGEIII · 04-19-2007, 11:00 PM

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IMO it's just the wording but maybe Lorelai says that Rory is the only one who can make the choice and given her own love life she should keep out of it.

Hopefully she'll say some version of this and not "I don't think he's right for you, honey."

I think it would be better for us if Rory said her "no" while she was "freaked out". As it is, it looks like she will think about it, and cool, calm and collected Rory will deliver a "no" strongly worded enough so that it will break them up and send lovesick Logan away. (Judging by how willing and accomodating of her needs Logan appeared to be in 7.18, I shudder to think exactly what it is she says.)

Right now I'm hanging on (barely) on several things:

1. Maybe Rory's "no" is a foiler (strictly a shipper's fantasy, I know.)

2. Maybe the breakup is a foiler (unlikely, but maybe not impossible)

3. Maybe that spoiler about Matt's "last three episodes" clause was right, and he's in 7.22, after all, if only maybe in one scene.

4. Something, anything happens in 7.22 that indicates that they are not over for good.

5. We hear that Matt was signed for season 8, and then all this becomes set up for season 8.

I mean, that scene at the maze has to mean something, no?

If not, well, it'll be time to "face the music" and close up shop (and this thread.)

I guess shippers then could pretend either that "real" Canon ended in 6.22...(after all, Amy and Dan left)...or maybe after 7.18...(such a good episode!)

Very few pieces in fiction end with the lovers separating permanently in a satisfying enough way so that "shippers" don't end up feeling sentiments akin to "we were robbed!!" or some such...Casablanca, Annie Hall, and Roman Holiday are examples that come to mind...I don't think these writers are good enough to pull that kind of thing off...

TheJSW · 04-20-2007, 12:54 AM

IF these asshats could just announce the show coming back, and let us know if Matt is coming back. Episode 21 would be a better freakin episode. If we have some sort of knowledge he's coming back. Any sort of hint that it's not over. The Graduation episode will be saved. If not, then, bugger all.

notoutforawalk · 04-20-2007, 01:09 AM

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Very few pieces in fiction end with the lovers separating permanently in a satisfying enough way so that "shippers" don't end up feeling sentiments akin to "we were robbed!!" or some such...Casablanca, Annie Hall, and Roman Holiday are examples that come to mind...

Good point. Although, I know plenty of people who are bitter about the ending of Casablanca.

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IF these asshats could just announce the show coming back, and let us know if Matt is coming back. Episode 21 would be a better freakin episode.

Yep. And I hate that this all plays out in the graduation episode. It really is the end of Chilton again. Only this time, Rory is the one running, and the guy is right there. Or, at least that is how it seems to be playing out, at this point. Bah.

hearty26 · 04-20-2007, 01:53 AM

That can't be true, right ... she asks Lorelai for advice??? Whether or not to get married to HER boyfriend??? That's so mature, Rory and independent ... wow ... thumbs up ...

I know that I would not ask my mom what my answer should be when my bf would propose ... that's a decision she has to make and only she ...

I am so mad right now ... this whole independent and on her own and be her own person is such a bull because she was never independent and will never be even when she is in Iowa ... there will always be mommy on the phone telling her what to do ... damn writers ...

ETA: And the answer to his question ... will it be before or after graduation? Because if this is before it would be a very sad ceremony and without Logan ... great day ... her graduation should have been great and happy and everything ... but no, wrong showrunner for this ...

caf123 · 04-20-2007, 04:48 AM

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I saw this earlier at spoilerfix and didn't know if anyone brought it over.....

04/18 - Rory has one last meal at the diner, and the final scene of the S7 finale mirrors the final scene of the pilot. Source: Fan Forum

ETA_ i saw that the second post was at FF but didn't see where...just thought i'd share anyway...also makes me question S8...and i just re-read the transcript (thanks to craig's site) from the final scene of the pilot.......if it is anything close to it....

This spoiler came from Nicolalala - click.

gilmorebrazil · 04-20-2007, 04:59 AM

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IF these asshats could just announce the show coming back, and let us know if Matt is coming back. Episode 21 would be a better freakin episode. If we have some sort of knowledge he's coming back. Any sort of hint that it's not over. The Graduation episode will be saved. If not, then, bugger all.

A break up as a cliffhanger is one thing, and it wouldn't be the end of the world (even if we don't like it nor agree how it will be done). Now, all that as RL end for the show, don't make me want to watch.

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Yep. And I hate that this all plays out in the graduation episode. It really is the end of Chilton again. Only this time, Rory is the one running, and the guy is right there. Or, at least that is how it seems to be playing out, at this point. Bah.

I see one more difference between Chilton/Jess scenario and Yale/Logan: Jess had left in a previous episode and only after Rory's ceremony we got a short phone call between them. This time the drama will take over the whole episode.

Cerra · 04-20-2007, 06:32 AM

I caved and watched 718, at least the RL parts. I have no will power whatsoever. Such a good episode for them. It's not exactly how I pictured Logan in Stars Hollow. We didn't see him interact with the townies like I thought we would, but on a purely shipper level it was great.

I've been trying to wrap my mind around the latest spoilers, and I just can't. Are the writers so dense that they don't see the absurdity of Rory running to mommy and begging her to help her decide what to do, and then telling Logan no because she wants to be "independent"?

It's just one more example of how this has become The Lorelai Gilmore Show. Whether or not Rory and Logan become engaged should be between Rory and Logan. It shouldn't involve Lorelai in any way. It doesn't matter what Lorelai's advice is. It doesn't matter if she tells Rory she needs to make up her own mind. What pisses me off is that the writers have made Rory so damn dependent on her mother that she can't make this decision on her own.

I don't have a problem with Rory being unsure. Why not show her making a classic Rory Gilmore pro/con list? Why not show her actually talking this through with Logan like a mature adult? But going to Lorelai makes Rory seem pathetic. No one knows how Rory feels about Logan except for Rory. Obviously Logan doesn't even know how she feels. He wouldn't propose if he did.

Poor, delusional Logan. Remember when he actually could read Rory and seemed to know what she was thinking? Yeah, those were good times. Now we have OOC-Logan who proposes in front of everyone, completely oblivious to the fact that Rory isn't ready for a proposal.

It doesn't matter if this a setup for a season 8 or not. Nothing could make this any less ridiculous.

secret life · 04-20-2007, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TheJSW (View Post)

IF these asshats could just announce the show coming back, and let us know if Matt is coming back. Episode 21 would be a better freakin episode. If we have some sort of knowledge he's coming back. Any sort of hint that it's not over. The Graduation episode will be saved. If not, then, bugger all.

If we get this, then I can live with 7.21.

And until we're told that MC will NOT be signed on for S8, I'm optimistic. I think that's how I can describe myself after watching 7.18 several times.

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ETA: Cerra, something I realized after watching 7.18 is that spoilers can be informative but are incomplete and innacurate. The events in 7.21 are ridiculous as we know it, but I'm hoping that we're wrong and uninformed about many other details that could still salvage the episode and our ship.

blaab · 04-20-2007, 06:41 AM

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IF these asshats could just announce the show coming back, and let us know if Matt is coming back. Episode 21 would be a better freakin episode. If we have some sort of knowledge he's coming back. Any sort of hint that it's not over. The Graduation episode will be saved. If not, then, bugger all.

... please ...

Rebeccajill · 04-20-2007, 06:53 AM

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I caved and watched 718, at least the RL parts. I have no will power whatsoever. Such a good episode for them. It's not exactly how I pictured Logan in Stars Hollow. We didn't see him interact with the townies like I thought we would, but on a purely shipper level it was great.

I've been trying to wrap my mind around the latest spoilers, and I just can't. Are the writers so dense that they don't see the absurdity of Rory running to mommy and begging her to help her decide what to do, and then telling Logan no because she wants to be "independent"?

It's just one more example of how this has become The Lorelai Gilmore Show. Whether or not Rory and Logan become engaged should be between Rory and Logan. It shouldn't involve Lorelai in any way. It doesn't matter what Lorelai's advice is. It doesn't matter if she tells Rory she needs to make up her own mind. What pisses me off is that the writers have made Rory so damn dependent on her mother that she can't make this decision on her own.

I don't have a problem with Rory being unsure. Why not show her making a classic Rory Gilmore pro/con list? Why not show her actually talking this through with Logan like a mature adult? But going to Lorelai makes Rory seem pathetic. No one knows how Rory feels about Logan except for Rory. Obviously Logan doesn't even know how she feels. He wouldn't propose if he did.

Poor, delusional Logan. Remember when he actually could read Rory and seemed to know what she was thinking? Yeah, those were good times. Now we have OOC-Logan who proposes in front of everyone, completely oblivious to the fact that Rory isn't ready for a proposal.

It doesn't matter if this a setup for a season 8 or not. Nothing could make this any less ridiculous.

What a brilliant summary.

Even if there is a Season 8 and Rory and Logan somehow end up together, Rory's college graduation will be forever ruined, because the whole focus won't really be on that; they had to include all of this proposal/rejection nonsense into this episode.

gilmorebrazil · 04-20-2007, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerra (View Post)

I caved and watched 718, at least the RL parts. I have no will power whatsoever. Such a good episode for them. It's not exactly how I pictured Logan in Stars Hollow. We didn't see him interact with the townies like I thought we would, but on a purely shipper level it was great.

I've been trying to wrap my mind around the latest spoilers, and I just can't. Are the writers so dense that they don't see the absurdity of Rory running to mommy and begging her to help her decide what to do, and then telling Logan no because she wants to be "independent"?

It's just one more example of how this has become The Lorelai Gilmore Show. Whether or not Rory and Logan become engaged should be between Rory and Logan. It shouldn't involve Lorelai in any way. It doesn't matter what Lorelai's advice is. It doesn't matter if she tells Rory she needs to make up her own mind. What pisses me off is that the writers have made Rory so damn dependent on her mother that she can't make this decision on her own.

I don't have a problem with Rory being unsure. Why not show her making a classic Rory Gilmore pro/con list? Why not show her actually talking this through with Logan like a mature adult? But going to Lorelai makes Rory seem pathetic. No one knows how Rory feels about Logan except for Rory. Obviously Logan doesn't even know how she feels. He wouldn't propose if he did.

Poor, delusional Logan. Remember when he actually could read Rory and seemed to know what she was thinking? Yeah, those were good times. Now we have OOC-Logan who proposes in front of everyone, completely oblivious to the fact that Rory isn't ready for a proposal.

It doesn't matter if this a setup for a season 8 or not. Nothing could make this any less ridiculous.

Amen to your entire post!

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Even if there is a Season 8 and Rory and Logan somehow end up together, Rory's college graduation will be forever ruined, because the whole focus won't really be on that; they had to include all of this proposal/rejection nonsense into this episode.

DSR idea of "good drama" it's not better than ASP's...

blaab · 04-20-2007, 07:24 AM

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DSR idea of "good drama" it's not better than ASP's...

Well, I guess I disagree ... for me the L/L mess that was created at the end of Season 6 had a pretty clear built up. I didn't want it to happen, but there was stuff around that was for me definitely pointing in that direction and I also felt had back-up from previous seasons. What 'appears' to happen soon with Rory and Logan sort of comes out of nowhere for me. I don't see the logic, I don't see it storywise and I don't see the back-up in the rest of the season. So for me the drama that ASP did create at the end of Season 6, I am assuming here that is what you are referring to, if not, my mistake ... was I dunno, valid ... and I guess the drama that is up and coming pretty soon for R/L I feel is not ...

I dunno, maybe it is just me being, above all, an ASP mark

vanillacup · 04-20-2007, 07:46 AM

For those who wants to read the Ausiello piece on the breakup and viewers comment about it, here is the link. Some might want to vent and post a comment also.

Exclusive: Gilmore Girls Wedding/Breakup Shocker! - Ausiello Report | TVGuide.com

katiediaz · 04-20-2007, 08:17 AM

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Well, I guess I disagree ... for me the L/L mess that was created at the end of Season 6 had a pretty clear built up. I didn't want it to happen, but there was stuff around that was for me definitely pointing in that direction and I also felt had back-up from previous seasons. What 'appears' to happen soon with Rory and Logan sort of comes out of nowhere for me. I don't see the logic, I don't see it storywise and I don't see the back-up in the rest of the season. So for me the drama that ASP did create at the end of Season 6, I am assuming here that is what you are referring to, if not, my mistake ... was I dunno, valid ... and I guess the drama that is up and coming pretty soon for R/L I feel is not ...

I dunno, maybe it is just me being, above all, an ASP mark

I completely agree with you. Especially the bolded part. I don't think you can look at all episodes past, and then see the LLC mess and think you didn't know it was coming. Maybe not to the point of Chris being included, but there was clearly build up. With RL, we have a build up towards an engagement, with Logan proposing and Rory saying yes. EVERYTHING that these two have shared this season has clearly pointed towards that, not to the spoilers that we have for 721-722. And yes, I can understand her being torn because of what she's going through and the uncertanty, but not to merit "and that was the end of Logan on GG".

gilmorebrazil · 04-20-2007, 08:24 AM

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Well, I guess I disagree ... for me the L/L mess that was created at the end of Season 6 had a pretty clear built up. I didn't want it to happen, but there was stuff around that was for me definitely pointing in that direction and I also felt had back-up from previous seasons. What 'appears' to happen soon with Rory and Logan sort of comes out of nowhere for me. I don't see the logic, I don't see it storywise and I don't see the back-up in the rest of the season. So for me the drama that ASP did create at the end of Season 6, I am assuming here that is what you are referring to, if not, my mistake ... was I dunno, valid ... and I guess the drama that is up and coming pretty soon for R/L I feel is not ...

I dunno, maybe it is just me being, above all, an ASP mark

Well, I said that DSR and ASP had the same "idea" of what is good drama, but I didn't compare their individual ability to write theirs plots.

And I agree with your post.