[hearty26]

yeah i was thinking it would probably play out as a regular episode. but i can't help but think by what the network was saying how they were going to give it a proper send off.

I think they meant the story ... they started with Lorelai and Rory plus this tension between LL and they end with them ... that's the send off we'll get ... unless there will be a wonder (what I am really hoping for)

i thought the kiss was either after or during the graduation party. and i believe it was confirmed or something that luke opens the diner early before rory leaves. so the last scene was assumed to be the girls in the diner.

Yeah right, i forgot ...

as far as I'm able to tell, Logan won't even be mentioned by name in 7.22

I am still hoping that we will get anything else ...

[TheJSW]

If Rosenthal was smart. He would give us something more. If the last shot of the series is a crane shot of Luke and Lorelai kissing. Well, excuse me, but I might have to throw up a little bit. It's not that I hate Lorelai and Luke together. However, in relation to the show, that's pure and utter bull****. These two are nothing more than ****-ups. Who would never ever come close to that sort of kiss without a lot of episodes worth of exposition. Holding them up as the romantic example of this show. Really makes me wonder what the **** David Rosenthal's issues are with Rory and Logan.

[GEORGEIII]

Originally Posted by TheJSW (View Post) Really makes me wonder what the **** David Rosenthal's issues are with Rory and Logan.

I dunno. You would think that the man who wrote 6.03 and 6.20 would know that the R/L ending, as written in 7.21, is a big freaking waste...heck, even the TV guide podcast, never great Logan fans, thought as much (words like poor and lame were thrown about, amongst the negative fan letters.) I guess we'll never know what happened, or what was the point of all the cute Henry and Astronomy references from the beginning of the season. All we're ever going to have is fanfic, I suppose.

[TheJSW]

George, remember, Rosenthal has control over what he wants on the season seven set. Hopefully, if we are lucky. He will actually EXPLAIN some of his decisions. Hell, if we are really lucky, there might even be more ****ing scenes from Rory's Graduation Day Pt 2 (that's what the last episode should have ****ing been called). Again, this is if we are lucky. All I want is this ****ing guy telling us why he did what he did. As Hawk pointed out. He set-up all of Rory's life to be NEW YORK BASED next year. Easily eliminating any need of Matt re-appearing next season. So why on earth did he do this? Why? I hope at some point he answers some ****ing questions instead of going back into whatever hole Amy and Dan pulled him out of three years ago.

[captnerin]

Originally Posted by TheJSW (View Post) If Rosenthal was smart. He would give us something more. If the last shot of the series is a crane shot of Luke and Lorelai kissing. Well, excuse me, but I might have to throw up a little bit. It's not that I hate Lorelai and Luke together. However, in relation to the show, that's pure and utter bull****. These two are nothing more than ****-ups. Who would never ever come close to that sort of kiss without a lot of episodes worth of exposition. Holding them up as the romantic example of this show. Really makes me wonder what the **** David Rosenthal's issues are with Rory and Logan.

couldn't have said it any better. it also makes you wonder what his views on love are.

[TheJSW]

Capt, it's not his views on love as much as it's his views on life. He has some whacky ****ing views that need some sort of explanation. Since he wrote this couple to marry young for 20 episodes until the very end. When he chickened out.

[carolav]

Originally Posted by TheJSW (View Post) If Rosenthal was smart. He would give us something more. If the last shot of the series is a crane shot of Luke and Lorelai kissing. Well, excuse me, but I might have to throw up a little bit. It's not that I hate Lorelai and Luke together. However, in relation to the show, that's pure and utter bull****. These two are nothing more than ****-ups. Who would never ever come close to that sort of kiss without a lot of episodes worth of exposition. Holding them up as the romantic example of this show. Really makes me wonder what the **** David Rosenthal's issues are with Rory and Logan.

well, he named his Theater play "LOVE" but reading the NYT review... well you can have a clear idea about his concept of LOVE.. that doesn't exist just the SEX.

THEATER REVIEW; Truth Is All About Sex, and So Are Lies By BRUCE WEBER Published: September 22, 2001, Saturday The level of hypocrisy achieved by ''Love,'' a not only offensive but also incompetent play by David S. Rosenthal, is astonishing and in my experience unmatched -- even by the egregious standards of vanity productions, which this indubitably is. To begin with, it purports -- literally and loudly -- to tell the truth as no other work ever has and then deploys (ploy being the critical syllable) in its advertising a ban on theatergoers under 17. Evidently, in Mr. Rosenthal's opinion, you should get your license for truth with your license to drive, at least when it's expressed in naughty language. Ostensibly, the script's liberal use of the common four-letter words that have been amply sprayed about onstage since the days of Lenny Bruce is too shocking for teenagers. Still, Mr. Rosenthal seems more eager than most writers to repeat those words, which he does -- again and again and again -- to the exclusion, in fact, of most others. Trust me when I say that the offense is not the words themselves but their stupefying repetition. The irony is that for that very reason, ''Love'' might appeal only to those under 17. Would that that were the only distressing element here. The play consists of three scenes on the subject of how the sexes talk to each other. The first is a monologue by a woman (Kate Miller); the second is also a monologue, by a character named David Rosenthal (Ty Jones). The third, in which the two conduct a relationship, from beginning to end, in single-syllable utterances, would make a good acting school exercise. In any case, the two characters are supposed to illustrate the selfish psyches of the genders and the boisterous lies we tell ourselves to get along in our lives -- which, in Mr. Rosenthal's vision, are solely (and I mean solely) motivated by sexual desire. That no one I've ever met is so narrow, or that any such person would strike me as thoroughly stupid and dull, is precisely the kind of response that Mr. Rosenthal would characterize as a lie. According to him, it is this blind dishonesty that is responsible not only for my own unhappiness but also for grievous world events like the Holocaust, which is invoked three times -- and presumably, the recent terrorist attacks, though they don't get wedged in here at all. Mr. Rosenthal, 33, is a former television writer who was responsible in large measure for popular comedies like ''Ellen'' and ''Spin City;'' his experience made him filthy rich but also taught him how empty a life devoid of Truth can be. (Capital T added by me.) Presumably, this revelation is what inspired him to quit television for the stage; it also caused him to leave his wife. But it turns out that the smaller, individual truth -- he has said this in interviews and the character named for him in his play repeats it ad nauseam -- was the sudden realization that he wanted to have sex with the model Heidi Klum, whom he'd met when she made a guest appearance on ''Spin City.'' How Mr. Rosenthal talks about Ms. Klum onstage is as cruel and disgusting as actual stalking; my incredulity was only heightened when, as part of the play, Mr. Rosenthal himself appeared to answer questions. Among other things, he talked about how much he loves and admires women; they should be running the country, he said, and he looks forward ardently to the day they do. Of course, he also told The New York Observer recently that he himself would make a great president. Mr. Rosenthal has acknowledged that he paid for most of this production -- which opened on Thursday at the East 13th Street Theater -- and I must admit, it is all so colossally egocentric as to make me wonder if it isn't some kind of big joke, a piece of ''Emperor's New Clothes'' performance art, including the advertising slogan, the loony interviews (in which he claims that his father tried to institutionalize him after reading the script) and the apparent cooperation of Ms. Klum. It's easy enough to believe, after all, that what one learns from working in television is how to manipulate a mass audience of suckers. If that's the case, I congratulate Mr. Rosenthal for being a brilliant cynic. But either way, what he's produced is cynical. LOVE By David S. Rosenthal; directed by Dan Fields; sets by Michael Brown; costumes by Louisa Thompson; lighting by Russell H. Champa; sound by Robert Murphy; production stage manager, Lena Losey; production manager, Kai Brothers; general management, Steven Chaikelson and Brannon Wiles; executive producer, Brett Singer. Presented by Play All Day Productions. At the East 13th Street Theater, 136 East 13th Street, East Village. WITH: Kate Miller (Kate) and Ty Jones (David).

http://theater2.nytimes.com/mem/thea...5AC0A9679C8B63

[TheJSW]

Okay...so...Rosenthal likes sex to a trippy degree. Good to know. Good to know. Good answer. Good answer. Im going to keep an eye on you. ETA: That's why you come to me...BACK TO SCHOOL references!

[carolav]

Originally Posted by GEORGEIII (View Post) Well, there is not much else to say, really; as far as I'm able to tell, Logan won't even be mentioned by name in 7.22.

I agree, just a "Him"...

[katiediaz]

*sigh* Caro, I heard this song and thought it fit here so well (and that you'd understand, heh)

Si la ves dile que,
Que me has visto mejorado
Y que hay alguien a mi lado
Que me tiene enamorado

Que los dias se han pasado
Y ni cuenta yo me he dado
Que no me ha quitado el sueño
Y que lo nuestro esta olvidado

Dile que yo estoy muy bien
Que nunca he estado mejor
Si piensa que tal vez me muero
Por que ella no esta que va

Dile que al final de todo
Se lo voy a agradecer
Aunque pensandolo bien
Mejor dile que ya no me ves

Si la ves dile que ya no espero su llamada
Y que ya no me despierto
En plena madrugada
Y que ya no la recuerdo
Y que ya no me hace falta
Dile que ya estoy curado
Y que lo nuestro ya es pasado

Dile que yo estoy muy bien,(yo estoy muy bien)
Que nunca he estado mejor,(mejor)
Si piensa que tal vez me muero por que ella no esta que va
Dile que al final de todo
Se lo voy a agradecer
Aunque pensandolo bien mejor dile que ya no me ves

Que me he perdido
Y que no voy a regresar
Y dile tambien que
Aunque me llame no contestare
Si la ves

Y Dile que yo estoy muy bien (aunque yo se muy bien que no)
Que nunca he estado mejor (miente un poco por favor)
Si piensa que tal vez me muero por que ella no esta que va
Dile que al final de todo (no sigas mintiéndole)
Se lo voy a agradecer
Aunque pensandolo bien mejor dile que ya no me ves

Dile que yo estoy muy bien, (aunque yo se muy bien que no)
Que nunca he estado mejor, (miente un poco a mi favor)
Si piensa que tal vez me muero por que ella no esta que va
Dile que al final de todo (no sigas ya mintiendo)
Se lo voy a agradecer

Aunque pensandolo bien mejor dile que ya no me ves

[captnerin]

Originally Posted by carolav (View Post) well, he named his Theater play "LOVE" but reading the NYT review... well you can have a clear idea about his concept of LOVE.. that doesn't exist just the SEX. http://theater2.nytimes.com/mem/thea...5AC0A9679C8B63

thanks for the review/article. interesting guy, that dsr. he totally played us out.

[fox24]

Completly. I would like an interview with DR to hear about these shannigans.

[gilmorebrazil]

I'm not sure if I want to read what DSR has to say. If he wrote this crap for RL, he thinks it was good...

To me (as in the title of this thread) the series ended in 7.18 (or better in 7.15). After that, the show is what is in some Sophie fics, since some fic writers are way better than DSR.

[secret life]

I'm really appreciating the revision of this thread--the title, opening posts, theme. Thanks Jason, Christine, everyone.

My rant comes a little late. Okay, the truth is, a week later, and I still haven't watched 7.21. And I was one of those who ostensibly said will watch til the very, very end. The episode is in my computer, but I haven't had the guts to watch.

To quote a small line from one of my favorite books (The Life of Pi), "It is terrible to botch a farewell." And that's exactly what the writers have done. If they MUST end RL (and of course I vehemently disagree), then at least do it properly! Judging from the PBP and people's posts, Rory and Logan didn't even have a proper goodbye, one that does justice to their three years together, one that does justice to the love they shared. Logan's ending was so ****ed up.

And I guess that's why I've held off watching 7.21. Because I know it won't give me the proper closure to the RL story. There's absolutely NO meaning to their separation, no reason how S5-S7 could have led up to this. Why show us their growth if it would come to this? Was all that supposed to have contributed something to Rory? She hasn't changed a bit.

Anyway. It is just really sad that I cannot even make myself watch the last 2 episodes of a show I really loved.

[carolav]

Thanks Katie! it was written by a Venezuelan Franco De Vita., he sings that song with Sin Bandera... I like it, and it fits perfectly! Poor Logan!
YouTube - Si la vez-Franco de Vita con Sinbandera
YouTube - Franco De Vita - Si La Ves