lianamed

I don't think they are giving Barry's storyline to Oliver. I've yet to watch the episode, but, from I've heard, both Barry and Kara were going to be killed in order to save everyone during this crossover events. What Oliver did was convince the Monitor both Kara and Barry were important to be around by the time the Crises happened. They were saved now, so that they will perish later... unless Nora is able to save them both somehow.

I'm guessing that newspaper headline, now, is going to read 2019 instead of 2024...

FireQueen

Supergirl always gets the shaft during crossovers. She played second fiddle to three dudes and one of them is a guest star. Superman is an iconic character but he's not a regular in Kara's story.

The Supergirl supporting cast didn't even get to cross over. Why not have Caitlin and Cisco be in two episodes instead of three and give more to the other characters? Those two are always there and Caitlin didn't do anything but get knocked out two nights in a row They're the Oliver of the supporting cast, always getting more than anyone else.

Oliver convinced the Monitor by making a deal with him. The Monitor told him that balance was needed. He probably sacrificed his life so Kara and Barry could live, because he's dark and Barry and Kara are light and inspire hope blah blah blah.

That's why we fear they're giving Barry's story to Oliver. He's going to die/disappear in the Crisis to protect Barry and Kara

lianamed

I understand that. I’ve just finished watching it. But Kara and Barry were going to die at that moment. That moment there wasn’t the Crisis on Infinite Earths. Oliver’s deal was about them living to face the Bigger Threat, and the bigger threat is CoIE, the famous arc where both were supposed to die. In fact, where Kara ceases to exist, and Barry exists but still dies.

I do belive Oliver made a deal without knowing his deal will make them die in the future, facing the Anti-Monitor.

SuitUp

To be honest, which storyline of Barry's has actually been about Barry and/or executed well. If we look back on Flashpoint, Trial of The Flash, his wedding, his general skill set - CSI skills, competence in the field, ability to build Gideon and his own Flash ring. Even the Flash museum reliving his greatest hits...which ones?

Even they did give him Crisis they wouldn't even do it justice. So I'm not really bothered. The show continuing the idea of him disappering in 2024 and just being okay with it was odd. Without time jumps I didn't wantthem to keep this storyline going until 2024, or have that many seasons. Just my preference.

Edit - I think if this is how they plan to close out Arrow, with Oliver dying in Crisis, instead of Barry. Then I think that's fitting. If it's just borrowing his story, for borrowing sake because Arrow is fresh out of ideas. Like with the tacky crashing of Barry's wedding, copied prison storyline and potentially copied future daughter, then it's a problem.

x - Recap for anyone who skipped the Arrow/Supergirl portion of the crossovers like me...

SydneyO

SuitUp speaking facts, unfortunately. This has been an ongoing trend with how the CW treats Barry.

Barry's biggest storyline that they've been building towards since season 1 won't even be about him. I have to laugh to keep from being annoyed.

Do you guys think Oliver dying means the end of Arrow?

SuitUp

When you think of all the things that CW Barry gets shortchanged on. Majority of them are at the hands of his own writers without other Arrowverse influence.

I don't think they'd ever kill Oliver. Although they should make a big splash and do it. As much as I detest crossovers. It would impact Barry in a huge way, having a ripple effect on his season going forward.

They never pull triggers on Arrowverse, even killing Laurel, controversial and clearly something Guggenheim desperately wanting was half reversed.

If anyone watches The Walking Dead [[SPOILERS AHEAD]] they will kill any character. So them not killing Rick was a huge mother frickin' surprise. I was blinking through my tears. Didn't even realize he survived for a good minute. It's the opposite with Arrowverse. They rarely kill mains so them doing it would be shocking.

FireQueen

We'll never know what reason they have for borrowing it. It's a problem regardless. At least for me.

I agree that the writing never does Barry's stories justice but this is making me so upset because it's something that has been teased since 1x07. Iris working for Central City Citizen and writing that article, Nora going back in time to save her dad, Reverse Flash, these are all elements connected to that story. What's the point of doing all that if Oliver ends up hijacking it? Where's the pay off?

I think they re-introduced the idea of Barry disappearing too early and that's why he doesn't seem to care, even though it looks like it will be explored more in the second half of the season.

At this point my ideal scenario is that this is a different Crisis. Oliver dies or fake dies in the 2019 one, Barry thinks they've avoided that future only for another Crisis to take place a few years later. The characters won't know about it because a timeline change will make that article disappear.

Now I'm worried that they'll NEVER pull the trigger on Iris' journalism. If Oliver is the one that dies in the Crisis they can't use that article as motivation to explore it anymore since having her write a story about Oliver won't have the same impact. I'm rambling

jediwands

All I know is I don't want Barry dying or even Kara dying so if the story has to be altered to keep them alive, I'm all for it, lol.

I am irked two classic women comic journalists in Iris and Lois didn't share a scene. For that matter, how awesome would it have been seeing Kara/Iris/Lois together. If we get to see Tech Geeks crossing over together all the time, we should be seeing the three journalists too.

jrenda182

lianamed

Well, to be honest, I'd rather Oliver die than Barry, but, I still believe that Oliver dying doesn't mean Barry isn't going to die in the crisis. It just meant he wasn't going to die against the Monitor at that point in time.

I think Oliver's deal with the Monitor was supposed to happen. The question we need to ask ourselves isn't if Oliver changed Barry's and Kara's fate in CoIE, but if Nora changed it by making the crisis happen earlier in time. It was originally supposed to happen in 2024, but it will happen in 2019 instead, and it has to be a consequence of Nora's actions, just as current Cicada was.

I believe Oliver was always supposed to make this deal with Monitor and guarantee that both Barry and Kara were alive by the time CoIE happens. But I also believe, somehow, that Barry won't die, not because of Oliver directedly, but because of Nora. That headline has to change in order to prove nothing is set in stone, and the future is always changing.

One thing I find weird, though. How come one life is enough to save two lives? Shouldn't it be two lives as well to restore the balance? And shouldn't Oliver's death happen at once? That is the part that doesn't make sense. Unless part of Oliver's deal includes the Doctor's catatonic state. It would be his mind and Oliver's life perhaps?

scififan2009

Is the crisis what Nora came back to prevent?

lianamed

Based on her monologue in the season’s premiere, I think she wants to prevent his 2024 disappearance. I assumed by the news description and by DC Canon it meant his disappearance in CoIE. It could be something else entirely, of course.

My Kind Of Crazy

Question: Will The Flash give us any more hints about what Nora seems to be hiding? —SSH
Ausiello: Now that we know there is some sort of alliance with Eobard Thawne, you should expect “a flash-forward flashback episode” that explains “how all that came to be, which will be a lot of fun,” says showrunner Todd Helbing. “You’ll slowly start to get the pieces of info that you need, but there will probably be one episode where we explain how that all happened to get her to come back [in time].”
https://tvline.com/2018/12/14/millio...regina-secret/

SuitUp

Thanks for that tidbit.

KatB

I can't wait to see that episode, or episodes.