Spoilers - The Flash S&S #17: "I've been having these dreams. But they don't really feel like dreams. They feel real." - Cisco - Page 19

scorpio_chick · 04-23-2015, 02:07 PM

Casting news for the spinoff... Posting here because it says he has a surprising affiliation to the STAR labs team.

'Edge of Tomorrow' star joins the 'Arrow'/'Flash' spinoff | EW.com

Wally, is that you? lol

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Iris cried with Barry because she was the one who got "dumped." In this case, she was the one standing firm in her decision so it makes sense that she wouldn't cry.

Ha. Nah. That argument pretty much dismisses all the context in that scene and in their relationship. I think it was definitely meant to convey how much Barry means to her. After all, that was the theme of their relationship in that episode. But I'm not necessarily saying that she should have cried in that scene with Eddie, just that we should have gotten more from it, especially if I'm to believe she's in love with him.

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And this goes in line with what I'm saying now. If she's staying with him out of love then I don't think they should break up. I speak for myself.

Why would anyone believe that though? I mean, the writers basically told us that she's still with Eddie and not Barry because she's suppressing her feelings for Barry. I think it's pretty clear that this will be reason they eventually break up.

Chiqa · 04-23-2015, 02:09 PM

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I always saw that scene in the pilot more as establishing how he doesn't want Iris around police business and that he's the sole reason she never became a cop, like she wanted.
Like Joe's always been a hard ass but his scenes with Barry show that his overprotectiveness come from a place of love. There is a balance between his demands on Barry and showing how he comforts Barry that we never really see with him and Iris. With Iris it's all about control.

It's just really disappointing to me, because I think they do such a great job with Joe/Barry and Henry/Barry it would be really nice to show the same love/support between a single dad and his daughter.

Yeah, I might me jumping the gun a little in assuming Iris' mom stuff next season will have a big emotional impact on their relationship... but i'm still gonna hold on to hope

lol

Truthfully, I think it's a side effect of their lack of investment in her storyline. I think Iris suffers from being the love interest so they think the bulk of her story should be about that. It's difficult to talk about her romantic life with her father and the only struggle they gave her in the last few episodes was the paper not taking her seriously and those moments were delegated to Barry.

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Why would anyone believe that though? I mean, the writers basically told us that she's still with Eddie and not Barry because she's suppressing her feelings for Barry. I think it's pretty clear that this will be reason they eventually break up.

Believe what? Didn't you just say that she's with him because she loves him?

I don't want to bring in her tidal wave love into this now. lol. We can save that for another day. What the writers have shown us is that she loves Eddie and even Candice says time after time that Iris loves Eddie. She acts like she loves him so she loves him. They haven't said that she only loves him because of her untapped, subconscious feelings. I believe she loves him for himself. If anything, she loves him regardless of whatever feelings she might not know she has for other characters.

london grammar · 04-23-2015, 02:16 PM

I thought it was Wally, too.

scorpio_chick · 04-23-2015, 02:25 PM

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Believe what? Didn't you just say that she's with him because she loves him?

I don't want to bring in her tidal wave love into this now. lol. We can save that for another day. What the writers have shown us is that she loves Eddie and even Candice says time after time that Iris loves Eddie. She acts like she loves him so she loves him. They haven't said that she only loves him because of her untapped, subconscious feelings. I believe she loves him for himself. If anything, she loves him despite whatever feelings she might have for other characters.

Again, no one is disputing that she loves Eddie. The point all along has been that she isn't in love with him and that would certainly be reason for them to break up. You may not want to bring in her tidal wave love but the whole point of that was to show us where her heart really lies and where the story is heading.

Chiqa · 04-23-2015, 02:27 PM

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Again, no one is disputing that she loves Eddie. The point all along has been that she isn't in love with him and that would certainly be reason for them to break up. You may not want to bring in her tidal wave love but the whole point of that was to show us where her heart really lies and where the story is heading.

And I disagree with you. She's in love with Eddie. Tidal wave love is the tool the writers will use to end Eddie and Iris but right now, she's in love with him. That's why she's with him.

scorpio_chick · 04-23-2015, 02:35 PM

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And I disagree with you. She's in love with Eddie. Tidal wave love is the tool the writers will use to end Eddie and Iris but right now, she's in love with him. That's why she hasn't left him yet.

She's in love with Eddie...despite the fact that the narrative hasn't confirmed this, despite the fact that said narrative suggests otherwise? Ok.

People stay in relationships for lots of reasons. The fact that she hasn't left Eddie isn't proof that she's in love..more like she hasn't realized or accepted her feelings for Barry. *That* is what narrative has confirmed.

Chiqa · 04-23-2015, 02:47 PM

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She's in love with Eddie...despite the fact that the narrative hasn't confirmed this, despite the fact that said narrative suggests otherwise? No.

People stay in relationships for lots of reasons. The fact that she hasn't left him isn't proof that she's in love..more like she hasn't realized or accepted her feelings for Barry. *That* is what narrative has confirmed.

How many times does Iris have to say she loves the guy. She even told him to his face that she loves him. Does she have to say, "I'm in love with you" for us to believe that she's in love with him?

What are her actions? She dates him, she lives with him, she does everything she can to protect him. This is not proof of her being in love with him.

What does she do with Barry? She confesses that she can't stop thinking about him when she thinks she will die and apparently, this is proof that she is in love with him. However, she can barely stand straight when she finds out that Eddie is in trouble and rushes into his arms when he's released and this is not proof that she's in love with him.

quietshyone · 04-23-2015, 02:52 PM

I don't think the show has committed to Iris being in love with Eddie. Like when Joe flat out asked her who she loved, she hesitated and was all I mean I love Eddie. Thats not convincing. It didn't convince me. Then she I think followed up with Barry was too late or something like that. I think they want her being unsure so they can break up and move Iris to Barry when they want. I think they want the audience debating whether she loves him or not.

They are just doing it imo piss poorly because she gets so little pov. But there are little things here and there that imply Iris isn't into this 100%, like when Joe tell her to convince Eddie and Barry that Eddie is the one she loves :/

Or I could be interpreting the writing wrong, lol.

SydneyO · 04-23-2015, 02:54 PM

^^ Yes I agree. She loves Eddie, but she's not in love with him.

Leelala · 04-23-2015, 03:01 PM

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^That rumour just won't die

it says a rep said it isn't true. It originated on Reddit.

That Tom Welling On The Flash Story? Not True.

I'm so looking forward to the flashbacks. I've always wanted to see more of Iris' reaction to Barry almost dying because of those 2 seconds where she's crying in the pilot.

i hadn't heard it before!! Too funny!

I can't say i'd mind though

Oooo so is this coming ep the coma flashback??

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Lol. Grant also said Barry and Iris could be together in season 2, which means Eddie and Iris would have to break up by the end of the season/early season 2.

I don't see how it would be bad if Eobard tries to keep Eddie and Iris apart considering that his very existence depends on a different outcome. This would be no different than anything else he's done to ensure he gets back to the future.

Re: Tom Welling, I'm all for him coming on as a new character, preferably a journalist at CCPN who works closely with Iris.

lol

The bold!! IKR

He's pretty

Its funny how much I'd love to see Iris and Wells sexy time

I just think they are both so ridiculously good-looking… haha

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Not if Eddie starts becoming a little unstable (and possibly dangerous) in his attempt to cling on to Iris.

This is what i think is going to happen as well.. Eddie is going to start to break away from this Mr Perfect thing he's had going on all season.

Make Them Laugh · 04-23-2015, 03:05 PM

I'd love to see Superman or Batman in the Flash series..but that won't happen

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Leelala · 04-23-2015, 03:11 PM

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Eddie and Iris are in love? Ha. Is that why Iris had no problem walking out on him when she figured out he was keeping something from her? I think the writers have made it clear that while Iris may love Eddie, their relationship is doomed, regardless of anything Eobard does. Any Eddie/Eobard/Iris scenes would be less about keeping them apart because they are so in love and more about enlightening them and the audience on their destinies and how Barry factors into that. When Iris/Eddie eventually break up, I'm pretty sure it will be because Iris isn't in love with Eddie. At most, Eobard would only be facilitating that.

I think the fact that every time Joe and Linda I think it was, either asked her if she loves Eddie or about her feelings for Barry she's had to take pause and "convince" herself that yeah of coarse, Eddie

Iris is in a nice comfy place with Eddie but she's definitely not in love with him… She doesnt act that way..

scorpio_chick · 04-23-2015, 03:12 PM

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How many times does Iris have to say she loves the guy. She even told him to his face that she loves him. Does she have to say, "I'm in love with you" for us to believe that she's in love with him?

What are her actions? She dates him, she lives with him, she does everything she can to protect him. This is not proof of her being in love with him.

What does she do with Barry? She confesses that she can't stop thinking about him when she thinks she will die and apparently, this is proof that she is in love with him. However, she can barely stand straight when she finds out that Eddie is in trouble and rushes into his arms when he's released and this is not proof that she's in love with him.

Umm yeah, because there's a big difference between loving someone and being in love with them. If the writers wanted us to believe that Iris is in love with Eddie, then surely they wouldn't have confirmed that she's suppressing her feelings for Barry.

In any case, I feel like we're going in circles. We'll likely know by the end of the season who Iris is really in love with ~~and it ain't gonna be Eddie.~~

Make Them Laugh · 04-23-2015, 03:13 PM

a whole episode with Gorilla Grodd is gonna be exciting

Chiqa · 04-23-2015, 03:14 PM

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I don't think the show has committed to Iris being in love with Eddie. Like when Joe flat out asked her who she loved, she hesitated and was all I mean I love Eddie. Thats not convincing. It didn't convince me. Then she I think followed up with Barry was too late or something like that. I think they want her being unsure so they can break up and move Iris to Barry when they want. I think they want the audience debating whether she loves him or not.

They are just doing it imo piss poorly because she gets so little pov. But there are little things here and there that imply Iris isn't into this 100%, like when Joe tell her to convince Eddie and Barry that Eddie is the one she loves :/

Or I could be interpreting the writing wrong, lol.

Even if Iris jumps in front of a bullet for Eddie, many will still say she's not really in love with him because we know she has to end up with Barry. We've all watched tv before.

For me, she's in love with him till the writers decide it's time for her not to be in love with him so they can start a different arc.

All I am saying is they've shown to be in love with each other so I'm not gunning for them to break up or anything, They might as well stay together.

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