drunkalice

I'm saying things wrong. I won't argue with you. You're condescending af and keep lolling and whatever. I'm too old for this. You want to see "narrative and canon" whatever way you want to see it, be my guest. I hope you never get disappointed, it feels like it'd hit you hard. Have a nice day.


I'm definitely curious about that, I want to see where that goes. Not just with Matt, everything.

Starlingcity

Now that's something I want so speculate.

I wonder if Matt will be reluctant or unwilling to believe it. Or will he really want to go? Who will he team up with? An all star team of badasses please

drunkalice

I can't remember if he knew resurrection was a thing around there? I can imagine he'd be shocked/in disbelief, then I guess much will have to do with whether she's ressurected *good* or *evil*. He'll definitely want her on his side and I guess he'd definitely want to give "them" a chance.

SkyStillBlue

Really me? Simply scroll down and see who started with the sarcasm and being condescending. I'll help you out >>>>

Hope I never get disappointed? In life or in the show? Hit me hard? You're the one who got so hype and finds it that deep. So of the two of us I'd say that advice and well wishes should be directed at the mirror.

I see canon and the narrative the only way it can be seen.....as canon and narrative. Another simple concept. When Matt treats Karen well and actually shows he gives a damn romantically. I'll observe as that but that hasn't happened so till then I'm at Karen's his second choice and ignoring her. Have a nice day too.

scorpio_chick

No it's not an "and now". Believe it or not, this isn't just about M/K. Reviewers have always had their biases. I don't elevate their opinions above anyone else's. The same way I don't elevate an actor's opinion. Ultimately, what the critics think, what the actors think, what fans think matters not to me. What I like and see onscreen is all that really matters.

Yes, because we all have our biases and preferences. We like what we like and oftentimes we are willing to overlook flaws in the writing when it comes to our faves. No one should feel obligated to do that for characters that don't appeal to them.

Basically!

Stelena&Bamon

She better be good guys LOL! I'm serious. I'm willing her to be good from this day forward.

When he hears her heartbeat because that's their thing. I'll be all YAAAASSS!

They've showed us them fighting, battling the even within, ultimately she chose to be sacrifice herself for Matt, for the greater good. So the Hand can gets my middle finger if they try and make her super evil.

SkyStillBlue

If they do a rescue mission. He'll hear it. Just can Stick just stay home and check his ancient prophecies at the door.

Starlingcity

Stick is good at saving them though!

I do want a new villian too. Get rid of the Hand and focus on New York again

Musidora

^ I was beaming when Stick got rid of Nobu. Badass motherfcker.

drunkalice

Reviewers have their opinions, it's their job to express them. I get what you mean but here we're undermining what they write because they just might maybe possibly be biased because most of them are white...-?? Is this the way to go? Besides, I didn't say "Reviewes are God", I just pointed out there's a difference between the average reviewer and the average fangirl. Tbh I still value a reviewer's opinion more. Which doesn't mean that if I get a review saying "Karedevil sucks" I'll cry myself to sleep, who cares?

Exactly. And strangely people tend not to do that with Karen. Although to be fair since Frank came in and became shippable with Karen a lot of people mysteriously stopped hating her. Things that happen in fandoms will never cease to amaze me.

McQueenFanGirl

I'm not sure if you don't see that I wasn't ever talking about the bolded point? I'm not rejecting anything interpreted/stated this season, what I was countering was this rigid idea (well, really, it's more of a tone in posts) that what Matt has felt and done this season will be the only thing that ever matters when it comes to his feelings for Karen and Elektra. To speak with such certainty about what could happen with M/K is truly really bizarre.


This is pretty fascinating actually. People on social media are usually really good at calling out shows and fans for expecting a one-sided crush should be rewarded.. I guess not this time around.


It definitely took on a life of its own and I did enjoy their scenes (probably the best of the season).

Starlingcity

I think it's the only thing that can matter till we get a current season imo. Till that time even if it shockingly got canceled. I'd base everything of S1 and S2. Till next April or whenever this juicy show returns, I discuss the show as it has been presented. It's the only thing I think we can be certain of and to go off anything else is just a shot in the dark, that's bizarre to me personally

It's like say, 'well hey Karen and Foggy could work out. Don't knock or speak with certainity that it wouldn't.' Well, I'm just going off the source material of S1 and S2.

That's my opinion on it anyway.

scorpio_chick

I forgot to quote this earlier but this is so me. This is exactly why I loved him so much this season.

Yes, it is because it's especially important to point out the biases of the people whose opinions we're suppose to value more, for some reason. I'm not going to assume that the reviewer is objective, that he or she isn't as biased as the average fangirl. And certainly, I've been around long enough to know that the biases against WoC characters aren't all in my head.

Well they don't have to. That's kinda the point. Doesn't mean the hate is irrational. Just means they don't have a reason to overlook the problems in the writing.

Starlingcity

Same x100000

That and Stick asking for tea are no.1



Matt's face: are you serious?

McQueenFanGirl

But I wasn't saying not to go off that material? I'm not saying "listen up, ignore everything you've ever viewed on the show and just make wild speculations". Literally all I'm asking is: why is there this insistent tone that the correct interpretation of season 2 is Karen and Matt will never ever compare... especially when surprise, not every single person understood this season the same way as others (which has been a point of debate since the last thread)? I just wanted further information on why it's so easy to shoot down M/K and how people interpret their relationship this season and what the implications of it will lead to (this is given what happened on the show and what the writers have said, again, another point people have brought up in previous posts).

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I'm just trying to understand the mechanisms behind this train of thought. But if we've hit an impasse, then I guess that's it.