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He has known Laurel since they were kids. Way longer than his team. And I doubt Laurel would think of Tommy over Oliver. She wasn't in love with Tommy. __________________
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Yeah, Laurel is frequently right, but people don't like her approach, so they ignore her.
She should really give up all this other nonsense and see if ARGUS is hiring. I mean they're down Waller and Lyla. A law degree is quite a typical background for say an FBI agent, less so for CIA/NSA, but definitely still represented. Perhaps over the course of her Black Canary arc she'll come to Lyla's attention and she'll give her a job. I can see her working there. She'd fit in much better. Quote:
What does it matter how Laurel finds out, from him or someone else? Especially when there is a clear and obvious reason for him to not inform her of what he learned. The promise wasn't to *tell Laurel* anything. And he wasn't doing that *for Laurel*. It was for Sara. He is free to make decisions about how to handle this situation. Laurel doesn't own it. At this point this situation is more about Oliver's sister than it is Laurel's sister anyway, since it's her life that is impacted. Sure she would think of Tommy and not Oliver. She has unfinished business with Tommy. She feels guilty over his death. That's something she can never satisfactorily reconcile. That is the sort of thing that haunts you. Oliver sees his dad, who died for him and whom he can never say that final I love you, or thank you, or whatever. Exact same with his mom. Thea, he could never tell her the whole truth about himself, about what he learned about her. He'll never see who she becomes as she matures, never see his nieces/nephews if he has any. And he's leaving her to Malcolm, that will haunt him. Felicity, he regrets not being with her while he could. What regrets does he have over Laurel? He's long past their relationship, which was a long time ago, and long past feeling guilty over cheating on her with Sara. They've put that away. Why would Laurel haunt him in his final moments? Last edited by thecatbastet; 12-11-2014 at 10:05 AM |
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In that moment he should have been thinking about everyone important to him. People that have been there for him. And that included Laurel and Diggle. In this show I would put money on them having her think of Oliver over Tommy. She felt guilt over Tommy but she dealt with that. Oliver is more important to her than Tommy was. __________________
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Laurel is the Black Canary. She will probably move into a leadership role eventually. But she is not his love interest and she is not going to be. She doesn't mean that to him, and thankfully for her pride, he doesn't mean that to her. And actually I think she *did* love Tommy. And if Tommy is alive, a huge part of the reason they're resurrecting him is probably because of his relationship with her. The thing is, Tommy loved her. He sacrificed himself for her. She never realized how strongly he felt until it was too late. She never took him seriously until it was too late. So yeah, I do think if Laurel was dying, she'd think of Tommy and not Oliver. And guys? It would be weird for Oliver to be dreaming of Diggle or Roy as he freaking died. WEIRD. That's just not how bros do. Laurel would definitely make more sense than either of those two. It's the same thing as like, why was it Felicity he finally saw as a person when he returned? WHY NOT DIGGLE??!! Well, because look at Diggle. Now look at Felicity. Now look at Diggle. Now look at Felicity. If *I* was Oliver, it'd be Diggle who got my profound attention, because I am a heterosexual female. Women play a different role in a straight man's life than his dude friends do. How is this shocking? Last edited by thecatbastet; 12-11-2014 at 10:24 AM |
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Also, I am confused right now. So people hate Oliver enough to want to see him being killed, but they also want him to remember their favorite character in his flashbacks while dying? That matters to them because...???? |
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How do we know laurel doesn't love tommy as much as Oliver? (Aside from because!comics). I think tommy was a heck of a lot healthier for her. I think he truly loved HER. So curious as to why you think this VP, ita almost everything this season is so sloppy. I feel like they could have condensed eps, or have killed Sara in finale last year and had a lot of this happen off screen. But I guess they needed a win and Sara needed to die. Also, I wonder wtf this writers are gonna do when they run out of people to kill/fake kill to continue Oliver's manpain. Since this time last year: (23 eps) Shado Moira Sara for fake Slade for fake Sara for real Oliver for fake (or laz pit) Versus the entire series up till midseason last year (33 eps) Robert Yao fe Tommy Malcolm for fake Did I miss anyone?? Arguments for Oliver being dead dead and them using the Lazarus pit: No monologue (monologue is always missing when people die) Mention of ras being 67 The whole blood out of the mouth/life flashing before his eyes Then again, Malcolm didn't die and accurately faked his own death. Again, maybe he conspired w Oliver. And the. This gets into a whole other can of worms, if Oliver goes into this KNOWING he is going to fake die and doesn't let original team arrow + Roy know. __________________
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I do have to say that the *one thing* I was hoping for wrt Sara's killer was that it would have nothing to do with Oliver.
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I think Diggle and Oliver's goodbye was totally in line with their characters. Lets face it they arent really the sensitive new age men who are all open and overly emotional. In fact Diggle can be even more stoic then Oliver on occasion. They are brothers in arms and in life and in their last moment together Diggle told Oliver he would go down fighting with him and Oliver told Diggle he wouldn't risk his life.
As for why Oliver hugged Roy and not Diggle, first off Dig and Oliver have hugged in the past, and second I took it as a Big Brother/Little brother moment. As for Oliver's last thoughts....yes they could have done a monatage of every single person Oliver has met. But to me the point of the scene was where is the last place you go right before you die. For Oliver the first place was his family, the most important part of him, the people who define him and his journey the people he has worked endlessly to protect and make them proud. The next place he went was to the place where he was truly deeply in love and where he was the happiest in his life. I think even non Olicity fans can agree that the happiest Oliver has ever been on the show is in the season premiere. I read a meta that said that in the final moment of his life he regretted not living- I thought that was a beautiful way to put it. There is no denying that Felicity has become THE girl, she is not just a rebound or a fling or one of the girls that comes before, she is the one. Of course he would think of her before he died, especially given they never got their chance. I get why Laurel/Oliver fans would feel upset because in season one it would have been Laurel, but the writers made a conscious effort to move away from Laurel as the love interest to the old friend and future team mate role. Oliver cares for and loves Laurel but he is no longer in love with Laurel and she is no longer the most important person in his life. I think Oliver has come to terms with Laurel as the childhood sweetheart that he has grown out of romantically. They just dont relate to each other on that level anymore. Sure they are friends even best friends, and Laurel will probably know parts of Oliver that Team Arrow/Felicity never will. Sure they are probably destined for great things together as a superhero partnership, but Laurel is not THE girl anymore for Oliver And tbh I'm pretty sure Laurel herself feels the same way as Oliver and has also outgrown him romantically...she just hasn't found her "Felicity" yet. |
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what happened in the finale?
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DNA testing pointed to Oliver, Oliver became convinced it was a Malcolm trick, they traced Malcolm's movements around that date (no idea why then never bothered before) and ended up getting security footage of him stepping off a plan in SC the night before Sara's murder...with Thea in tow. He confronts Malcolm and Malcolm shows him footage of Thea (under the influence of some mind control drug) killing Sara. Malcolm tells him this is allllll because Malcolm wanted Oliver to kill Ra's al Ghul (though why he thought he could is a mystery) and this was the way to force Oliver to do so, thus freeing Malcolm from his wrath. Oliver does so, pausing on his way out to say his goodbyes, the final one being to Felicity. He tells her he loves her. Then he meets Ra's on a snowy mountain somewhere presumably not TOO far from SC (a consecrated LoA place) and fights Ra's. Ra's wins, runs him through with a sword a la Slade/Moira, and then boots him off the side of the mountain. He falls a very very very long way down the cliff and lands brokenly on some rocks. The end. Other plots: Ray tries to talk to Felicity about the kiss, Felicity avoids. He chases her down and tells her that he was feeling guilty because he had a fiancee who died during the MK soldier invasion, and then shows her the supersuit design he's working on, which is why he bought QC (Applied Sciences had the design for an OMAC suit, he adapted it as the ATOM suit). He wants Felicity to join him in his quest. Dinah shows up to surprise Laurel and is immediately suspicious something is up. They meet for dinner and Dinah guesses about Sara, Laurel confirms. They do not tell Quentin. Last edited by thecatbastet; 12-11-2014 at 11:00 AM |
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Hmm, a couple pf thoughts.... I personally thought it was a very good mid season finale despite pretty much knowing what was gonna happen. It was a very focused ep with a good bit of action.
As for the Olicity moment, did anyone really think it was gonna meet everyone's idea of a 10? I personally knew it wouldn't meet mine and I think Guggie needs a scale from fans with as I've said before. That aside, I enjoyed the moment very much. I liked the call back to what Felicity told Oliver in the season finale and I like that Felicity believes in Oliver so strongly and knows him so well. I am personally okay with Felicity not telling Oliver she loves him. Why should she when he is still too afraid to go all in? He knows though and I suspect that they will both get their ish together when Oliver returns. As for the goodbyes, they all felt very appropriate to me. Oliver asked Roy to look out for Thea because he knows Roy loves her. Dig and Oliver shaking hands rung true to me. Dig told Oliver, who he knows will have his back in all things, that he wished he could go, but he understood why he couldn't. They are both soldiers and also brothers. Plus, they're men. I think that if they all believed that Oliver would come back, it made perfect sense the way the all said goodbye. I didn't expect flashes of Roy, Dig, or Laurel as Oliver was "dying" just like I wouldn't expect flashes of Felicity if Dig were dying. If Dig were dying, the last folks he'd think about would be his family, Lyla and Sara. You know this. I think it was very important that along with his mom, dad, and sister, Felicity was on Oliver's mind. It doesn't mean that he doesn't love Roy, Dig, or Laurel, that they aren't important to him. And I'm laughing at this outrage because as hard as Sara went for Laurel, she'd understand Oliver trying to protect his sister. Heck, as hard as Laurel is going for Sara, she should understand too. __________________
Ai lai guo rang wo wan zhen guo xin fu guo zhen me neng qing yi jui fang ta zuo Love was here. It made me complete, happy. How could I easily let it go? my LJ - Icon credit is Luv! |
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