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Key to Codes that might be used
"Foiler" = Fake Spoiler
"ME" = Mutant Enemy, the production company of Angel
"AtS" = Angel the Series
"AI" = Angel Investigations
"FG" = Fang Gang (Angel/Wesley/Gunn/Fred/Lorne)
"MoG" = "Ministers of Grace". A term from "Hamlet" used to describe the Fang Gang.
"WR&H" or "W&H" = Wolfram and Hart.
"DB" = David Boreanaz (Angel/us)
"AD" = Alexis Denisof (Wesley)
"JAR" = J. August Richards (Charles Gunn)
"AA" = Amy Acker (Fred)
"AH" = Andy Hallet (Lorne)
"JM" = James Marsters (Spike)
"CC" = Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia Chase)
"VK" = Vincent Kartheiser (Connor)
"SR" = Stephanie Romanov (Lilah)
"JB" = Julie Benz (Darla)

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Episode 5.12
Title: You're Welcome
Writer:
Director:
Scheduled Air Date: February 4, 2004

[img]smilies/star.gif[/img] Posted by Eddy. Original source TWOP: Exploding Guru
Jan 28, 2004 @ 2:52 am
Speaking of dying...
I've just watched You're Welcome.

For anyone who was concerned that this episode wouldn't have enough Cordelia, this episode is basically an Angel/Cordelia/Lindsey three-hander.

The episode opens with Angel & Co. investigating a nun slaughter and realizing a Wolfram client has escaped dimensions. Then we cut to the W&H hospital, where Cordy wakes up.

Wes and Angel go to visit Cordy. It's actually pretty cute between them and CC is charming. She looks pretty good - she attributes it to the whole demonic possession thing, which, other than the adverse side effects, "I really recommend it!"

The first and second act is almost wholly comprised of "Cordelia catches up with people" scenes. She loves Gunn's new hair...Fred hugs her and silently thinks "I can't wait until the next episode where I'm the female lead again"...Lorne offers her a part with Colin Farrell, to which recently comatose Cordy replies, "Who's Colin Farrell?" Cordy also brings up Connor and everyone but Angel is confused. She's interrupted in her Connor questioning by a squealing Harmony.

Meanwhile, Spike is playing videogames and trying out his new hands. Lindsey visits him, still called "Doyle." They bond over their history of chopped-off hands. When Lindsey gets notified by Eve that Cordelia is awake, he sics Spike after Cordy.

At W&H, Cordy is watching a clip of the real Doyle, Glenn Quinn, in Angel's bedroom. It's nice.

In Lindsey's apartment, Shirtless Lindsey and Eve snuggle. Eve calls him out on his HoYay and says that Angel is clearly the center of Angel's world. No duh. Lindsey weakly protests that the center of his world is Eve. Sure, Lindsey.

Back at W&H, Cordy guilts out Angel for working there. Blah blah blah. She also alludes to the C/A ship but I tried to pretend that didn't happen. Then she sasses up Eve, which is more fun. Eventually, Spike returns to W&H and attacks Cordy, thinking she's evil. Angel knocks him away and Spike blubbers about how "Doyle" told him that Cordelia was back and possessed. When Spike mentions that his "Doyle" was tattooed, they connect it to the vision from the PTB that sent Cordy back. Then he mentions how his informant had a chopped-off hand. Lindsey.

Lindsey enters the building from the basement, passes through due to his cloaking tattoos, kills some dude, and activates a building failsafe. Almost everyone evacuates but for the MoG and Eve. Angel puts Harmony on Eve-watching duty, the inessential supporting members on inessential Lindsey spellcasting duty, and then heads down to the basement with Cordy and Spike.

In the basement, they fight zombies. Then Angel and Cordy leave Spike to deal with Lindsey in the failsafe chamber. Lindsey and Angel fight. Lindsey is super-strong, tries to psyche Angel out, and then takes off his shirt and fights Angel barechested. It's like the beginning of some wonderful slash story. Cordelia blunders in the background, deactivating the failsafe. Eventually, the supporting actors' Offscreen Spellcasting magically removes Lindsey's tattoos and he's sucked into a portal to deal with the PtB.

Cordy and Angel talk in Angel's office that night. She now tells him that she's proud of him and that him working at W&H is totally awesome! I don't really buy it. She sounds way psyched about it and then says "But my road is taking me somewhere else," which is abrupt, to say the least. She really doesn't explain it to any satisfying degree and it's initially bizarre, because she seemed to really love being back with the gang. CC cries and sputters like she's just been told to leave the set and doesn't want to. If you are looking for the meta, you will find it throughout this scene. Then Cordy macks on Angel for about fifteen seconds. No. Bad. The phone rings and Angel says he doesn't have to get it. She says he does, so he goes over to the phone. As he picks it up out-of-shot, she sadly says, "You're welcome" and leaves.

So I was ready to pronounce that the unlikeliest character exit in quite some time, although the episode was pretty good. But it keeps going. Angel is taking the phone call and says, "I know, she's right-" and turns and looks. Cordelia is gone. The phone call continues and Angel's voice begins to crack. "When did she die? So she never woke up?" Dude, they killed off Cordelia.

Although, if Cordelia was really never awake, Eve's W&H intelligence must not be that good, since Eve thought she was. Stupid Eve.

*Originally posted by dayne: A summary of what happens in episode 12:

1. Cordeila, while in a coma, has a vision where Angel is in danger. She sees the ruins (Lyndsey's tatoos) in her vision, but she doesn't know they belong to Lyndsey. Cordelia wakes up from her coma in a hospital ward across town and the Fang Gang finds out and visits her. She later asks where Connor is? Everyone (except Angel), doesn't know who she is talking about.

2. When she finds out that Angel is running W&H, she isn't too pleased. She asks Angel if he "is aware that he made a deal with the devil". Angel tells everything is alright and that he made the deal to save Connor. She tells Angel that she had a vision of him being in danger. Eve sees that Cordy is back and isn't too pleased. She indicates to Cordy that she and Angel slept together. Angel then escorts Eve out and tells Harmony to have security monitor Eve.

3. Cordy asks Angel how come he doesn't have the determination of a true champion anymore. Angel then answers that Spike is instead now the champion. Cordy is shocked.

4. Meanwhile, Lyndsey is still going by an alias ("Doyle"). He is working with Eve, who gives him the inside scoop (i.e. that Cordy is back and that he has to act fast before he is found out). Lyndsey is also still visiting Spike and trying to motivate him to remain a champion.

5. Wesley finds out the meaning of the ruins. Apparently, they are meant to shelter or hide a person from superior forces. They keep the person from being seen.

6. The Fang Gang manages to find out about Lyndsey and Eve's plans. Lyndsey is then defeated as he is sucked into a portal opened by the Powers That Be. He was apparently trying to kill Angel with some sort of chamber that the Senior Partner had built just in case they found it necessary to kill Angel.

7. The gang (Wes, Fred, Lorne, Gunn, Spike) decides to go out and celebrate the victory, but Cordy and Angel decide to stay behind.

8. At the end, Cordy tells Angel that she isn't on the same path as Angel anymore. She has helped him, but now she needs to find her own path. Angel tells Cordy that he needs her. Cordy kisses Angel, and then says that she has to go. Anyways, she leaves.

More from dayne:

1. When she is brought to W&H, Cordelia is pretty shocked that Harmony is Angel's secretary.

2. Wesley finds out that the tatoos that Cordy saw in her vision help a person stay concealed from any type of surveillance mechanism.

3. Lyndsey is at Spike's apartment. Spike asks "Doyle" if he has had anymore visions. Before, he can answer he receives a call from Eve (i.e. about Cordelia). Lyndsey later (without being detected by
cameras) sneaks into a restricted area of W&H that has a cave-like chamber (i.e. the fail-safe chamber).

4. Cordelia comes face to face with Spike at W&H. Spike then plunges his fangs into Cordy's neck. Angel pulls Spike off Cordy, but Spike explains he was just doing a "taste test". He explains that a "source" told him that Cordelia had been turned into a demon. He says the source's name is Doyle and also calls him "tatoo boy". Angel and Cordy then perk up. Meanwhile, Eve hears them talking and calls Lyndsey. Eve starts to move, but then Angel and Cordy grab her and start interrogating her. Eventually, Eve tells Angel and Cordy that there is sort of failsafe that lives under the building and is designed to kill Angel if the need arises. Eve says that the failsafe was created by The Powers That Be. Angel and Cordy realize that "Doyle" must be down there right now.

5. Meanwhile, Lyndsey climbs onto the control panel of the fail-safe chamber and inserts a crystal

6. It is established that the Senior Partners don't know that Lyndsey is back.

7. Angel asks Spike if he can tell them more about "Doyle"'s appearance. Spike tells them he had a severed hand. They all then realize it's Lyndsey. They then all head down to the failsafe chamber.

8. As they proceed to the chamber, zombie guards attack Angel, Cordy and Spike. Spike fights them off as Angel and Cordy proceed to the chamber.

9. At the chamber, Angel lunges at Lyndsey, but he hits back with remarkable strength. Angel and Lyndsey square off with swords. Meanwhile, Cordy is frantically pushing random buttons on the control panel.

10. Meanwhile, Wes, Fred, Lorne and Gunn are working on a spell upstairs. As the chamber closes down, Angel smashes Lyndsey to the ground. He tries to get up, but then we see that the magical tatoos are lifting up off his skin because Wesley's spell.

11. Cordelia finally manages to get the machinery to power down. The chamber then sinks to the ground.

12. Finally, The Powers That Be open a portal and Lyndsey is sucked into it.

13. Later, Angel and everyone kick Eve out.

14. Angel thanks Cordelia and tells her that he feels better about his job now. They kiss warmly. Then, she leaves.

*From Eddy on the ASSB: http://www.voy.com/14810/133061254.html

Subject: promo photos for episode 10 and the 100th episode(spoilers)

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http://spikeonangel.com/gallery/ep512/

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Episode 5.13
Title: Why We Fight
Writer: Steven S. DeKnight and Drew Goddard
Director: Terrence O’ Hara
Scheduled Air Date:

*http://www.spoilerslayer.com/archives/002559.php

Angel: Episode 13

The teaser opens on the Atlantic Ocean, in the year 1943. A German U-boat is silently cruising on the surface. We have flashed back to World War II, as the crew of the sub (members of the United States Navy), are under attack by something in the sub with them. They radio desperately for help, as their crewmates including the captain, are killed.

(gap)

In the present, Fred is talking to a man named Lawson. He says he's an old friend of Angel's, but Fred has never heard of him. Lawson explains that there's a lot about Angel she doesn't know, and we flashback to...

Angel's apartment - 1943, in New York City. It's a dump, and the post-Soul/pre-Buffy Angel is staring glumly at the wall. Suddenly, the door is kicked in by two members of The Initiative (that's what they call them). After a short skirmish, Angel is held at bay with a stake and crossbow. Into the apartment strolls Commander Petrie and Mr. Fury.

(gap)

Petrie asks if Angel is up on the events in the war. Essentially, they are losing the battle with the German U-Boats. A few days ago, an American team captures one of the new-generation U-Boats that are causing the most damage. However, they received a distress call and haven't heard from them since. Since it's so deep, no human can get down there. This is why they need Angel. Since Petrie is the head of the 'Government Research Initiative', this is why they've been keeping tabs on him. They know he is souled and feels that he would be a perfect solution. Angel isn't interested, until Petrie reminds him that he doesn't have a choice. To further convince him, Fury shows him some documents that detail what was on the sub.

Back on the submarine, Lawson, Spinelli, and the other crew members are holed up in the forward compartments. A German, named Heinreich, is tied up in a corner. Lawson is bragging that if they can bring the submarine back to America, they'll be famous. The others are a bit doubtful, as they are not in control of the sub and have a limited air supply.

They hear screaming from the other side of the bulkhead. It's the other members of the prize crew being slaughtered and Lawson wants to go out and rescue them. This forces Spinelli to pull a gun to stop him and the schnitzel is about to hit the fan when they hear a loud thud... on the outside of the hull. The sounds is something moving along the hull and towards the torpedo room.

When they arrive, they hear whatever it is knocking on the door to the torpedo tube. The knocking is morse code, and Lawson convinces the others to open it. Out pops a very wet Angel.

Meanwhile, back in the present. Wesley walks into his office to discover a bound and bruised Fred in a chair.

(gap)

Angel has just finished giving marching orders to the remaining crew. He's impressed that they are ready to follow him. The first thing, they need to get the manacles chained to Angel's feet.

Two of the crew, while getting a pair of bolt cutters, are impressed by Angel's strength. They liken him to Captain America. In the interim, Lawson fills Angel in on the remaining members of the crew.

(gap)

Angel has hooked up with Spike and two other vamps on the other side of the bulkhead. Spike is glad that Angel is there, figuring that the Germans were going after the worst vampires on the planet. Angel asks to be introduced to the others. Spike introduces Nostroyev and The Prince Of Lies to Angel. He introduces him as Angelus. Both vampires are impressed, although Nostroyev tries to one-up him with his past deeds. Bragging about his reputation, and the fact that he was Rasputin's boyfriend. Angel acts like he has never heard of him (and maybe he hasn't). Spike jumps in, explaining that he freed the others after he got loose. He explains that if he knew that Angel was imprisoned in the forward compartments, he would have freed him too. Then again, they were pretty busy killing sailors.

Spike explains that they've killed them all. They are all ready to go forward and kill the rest, but Angel talks them out of it. His logic is if they kill all the men, who will get the submarine to port. Spike figures they can do it, setting off an alarm while trying to demonstrate how easy it would be. Nostroyev figures that they can kill all but one of them. Angel tries to stop him from going forward, and when Nostroyev begins arguing, Angel dusts him. Spike and The Prince grudgingly agree not to kill the humans.

(gap)

Back in the present, Angel is going over research in his penthouse. He looks up and discovers that Lawson (a much older version), has managed to get into the building. Lawson seems impressed at how far Angel has come over the past several decades. Angel recalls that he was going to kill Lawson the next time he saw him, Lawson laughs it off and says that he's there to talk.

Back in 1943, Angel tells the others to stick tight and stay sharp as they exit the forward bulkheads. The enter the control room and discover Spike and The Prince. Angel introduces them and tells Lawson if he needs their help, he has it. Lawson and his men start getting the ship under way. Spike is goofing around, playing at being the captain. Lawson and Angel go to the engine room, where Angel asks what next. Lawson reminds Angel that he's supposed to be in control, and lets slip that he knows Angel isn't working for the Navy. Angel tries to explain, but Lawson seems fine with this fact.

(gap)

Everyone is in the control room, trying to control the sub with the few men they have. Spike is not pleased to be left out of the action. Something causes Angel and Lawson to go elsewhere, where they discover that the Prince is attacking Heinreich in the galley. The Prince has been going through some documents and is enraged at their contents. Angel tries to pull him off Heinreich, to no avail. Right as he's going to kill the German, Angel stakes him.

Heinreich mutters thanks, to which Angel hits him and knocks him out. Some of the others are shocked at the fact that the Prince 'dusted'. Lawson and Angel are trying to figure out why The Prince went mad, at which point Spike enters with more documents.

Later, the three of them begin to interrogate Heinreich. They are playing good vamp/bad vamp, with Spike in the role of bad Vamp. Heinreich is cowed a bit by seeing vamp-face Spike, but in German says that Spike could never understand. Lawson, who can speak a bit of German, asks Heinreich about the papers. He still doesn't want to talk, until Lawson explains that they can't stop Spike from killing him.

Heinreich spills, talking about the Nazi's plans to control vampires by operating on their brains. Spike realizes that this why the Prince was trying to kill the German. Heinreich reveals that they were less than a year away from commanding an undead army. Spike figures that they went for the best to start with. Lawson is disgusted at the depths that the Reich will stoop to, which causes Heinreich to chuckle. The Germans aren't the only ones with that idea, looking over at Angel. Lawson is shocked to realize that Heinreich could be telling the truth.

(gap)

Later, Spike is burning the documents, when suddenly a loud explosion rocks the ship. They are under depth charge attack from several destroyers. They begin to maneuver to avoid the attacks.

*Here's the most current spoilers for Episode 13. This is posted by Tensai of Spoiler Slayer. http://www.spoilerslayer.com/archives/002559.php

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Episode 5.14
Title: Smile Time
Writer:
Director:
Scheduled Air Date:

[img]smilies/star.gif[/img] From Spoiler Slayer: The episode opens on a young boy watching television. The show is your standard PBS children's television, with an exotic set populated with a variety of puppets and cheery songs. As the boy is entranced by the audio and visuals, his mother wanders in and out, talking to her mother. The young boy has a cold/fever, and it appears that she wants her mother to watch him when she goes to work.

When his mother leaves the room again, one of the puppets (Polo), looks out of the TV and talks directly to the young boy. Polo encourages him to touch the screen. As the boy does, the TV seems to drain the energy out of him. His mother returns to find him apparently dead on the floor in front of the TV, with a smile on his face.

Later, a young girl is being drained. But as this is happening, Gunn and Angel are battling the puppets (we see this on the TV). The TV flashes a bright light and the girl is saved.

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Episode 5.15
Title:
Writer: Joss Whedon
Director: Joss Whedon
Scheduled Air Date:

From Eddy: Now heres Pandora's summary for episode 15 on mythical boards Which is still untitled,written and directed by Joss Whedon.


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ok, guys, hope you like this. Enjoy!
Episode 15


After being breathed on by an ancient sarcophagus, Fred contracts a mysterious illness and lies near death while Angel and his friends try to figure out what’s wrong with her.

In a flashback to eight years ago, Fred assures her parents as she moves out of her childhood home that she’ll be perfectly safe on her own in Los Angeles. Then, in the present, Fred and Wesley use flamethrowers to vanquish a nest of nasty-creature eggs, and then kiss in triumph. Meanwhile, back at Wolfram and Hart, Knox takes a middle-of-the-night delivery of an ancient sarcophagus addressed to Fred. The next day, while Angel and Spike argue over whether a caveman or an astronaut would win a fight if they were matched in battle, Fred and Knox examine the sarcophagus, but can’t get it to open. Then Fred leans in closer, and a small opening appears and blows a puff of stale air in her face. It doesn’t seem to affect her, but Knox advises her to get checked out by the company’s medical department just in case. Back in Angel’s office, he finally tires of he and Spike’s constant battling, and urges Spike, who is no longer physically or spectrally bound to the firm, to leave. Spike says he has nowhere to go, but then decides to go find Buffy in Europe, and Angel wishes him well. About the same time, Fred runs into Wesley and tells him about the mummy dust she breathed, but she assures him the doctors found nothing wrong with her. Wes invites her out to dinner, but then, as Fred starts to accept, she suddenly coughs blood all over Wesley’s face.

Fred wakes up later in a hospital room with Angel, Wes, Gunn, Spike, Lorne, and Knox gathered around her bed. They promise to do all they can to figure out what’s wrong with her, and Angel says that all the doctors can tell is that some sort of parasite is making its way through Fred’s system; and if it’s not stopped, it will soon liquefy her organs. To find out what’s going on, Wes returns to his office and pores over magical texts. Gunn goes to the White Room to speak with the conduit to the Powers That Be (which now appears as his own double), but the conduit says that if Gunn wants to help Fred, he’ll have to do it himself. Meanwhile Angel, Spike, and Lorne go to Lindsey’s apartment, where they find Eve in Lindsey’s bed. Angel accuses Eve and Lindsey of being involved in what’s happened to Fred, but Eve insists she had nothing to do with it and doesn’t even know where Lindsey is. Angel doesn’t believe her, but Lorne confirms her aura is clear. He threatens to tell the Senior Partners where Eve is hiding, however, so she says the sarcophagus may belong to one of the “Old Ones” — the original demons that inhabited the world before humans — and that Wesley should search ancient texts for references to the “Deeper Well.” Later, back at Wolfram and Hart, Wes learns the Deeper Well is the burial ground for the Old Ones, and figures out that one of them, Illyria, may be using Fred as a host to re-enter this world. Angel asks where the Deeper Well is, and when he learns it’s in England, he and Spike head for the company jet. As they do, Fred, in her hospital bed, suddenly opens her eyes.

Wes finds Fred in her lab trying to research her own disease. Wesley talks her into stopping, and she asks him to take her home. Meanwhile, as Angel and Spike fly to England, Knox suggests to Gunn that they may be able to slow the progress of Fred’s disease by freezing her until they find a cure. A bit later, at Fred’s apartment, Wes tucks Fred into bed and reads to her from her favorite book, Sara Crewe. Finally Angel and Spike arrive at a tree in a field in the Cotswolds that Angel says is the portal to the Deeper Well. At first they see nothing unusual, but then two demon warriors charge them, and as they fight them off, more appear. Back at Wolfram and Hart, Knox tries freezing a sample of Fred’s blood, but unfortunately the cold does nothing to slow the parasite activity. Knox apologizes to Gunn, saying that he cares about Fred so much, he practically worships “it”… which immediately arouses Gunn’s suspicions. Back in England, after Angel fights off the warriors, a man named Drogyn appears and Angel recognizes him as the keeper of the Well. Drogyn knows Angel and Spike have come about Illyria, and invites them inside. Back at Wolfram and Hart Gunn knocks Knox around, and Knox admits that he chose Fred to be Illyria’s host because he loves her so much. Knox says there’s no way to save Fred, however; and when Gunn says Angel will, Knox says that Angel not only can’t, but when he finds out what’s really going on, he will actually choose to let Fred die.

As Drogyn leads Angel and Spike into the Well, he explains that Illyria disappeared from his resting place about a month ago, in what appears to be part of a predestined escape plan. Spike accuses Drogyn of being remiss at watching his charges, but then they arrive in a tunnel, full of sarcophagi, which stretches all the way down into and through the earth, and Drogyn says Illyria was a very powerful demon who still has acolytes on earth. Meanwhile Knox, one of the acolytes, reveals to Gunn that he (Gunn) actually helped get the sarcophagus into this country (it’s what was on the ship Gunn expedited through customs for Dr. Sparrow in return for getting his mental powers restored). Meanwhile, at Fred’s apartment, her pain worsens, and as she tries to fight it, Wes promises never to leave her. Back in the Well, Spike demands that Drogyn tell them how to get the demon out of Fred’s body, and Drogyn says that a champion can do it; but if he does, Illyria will then enter and infect millions of others to keep from getting trapped by its pursuers. At first Angel declares that he will save Fred no matter what, but as Drogyn goes off to prepare the spell, Angel finally realizes he just can’t trade one life for so many others. Back at Fred’s apartment she gets sicker and sicker until, finally, she dies. Then a blue frost covers Fred’s eyes and her body bucks and rises, now with a mottled blue face and no pupils. As Wes watches in horror, Illyria looks at its new body and says, “This will do.”

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General Spoilers

*Originally posted by Devoted: Okay something a little bit more on topic: Joss was at a Sci-Fi Convention and he let a few ATS tidits slip out:

-He said that he would be writing and directing another episode this season on ATS.

-In the episode that he would be writing Fred would suffer a "Setback". I wasn't there but some people who were there said he seemed to be referring to her mental state.

-Joss said he wanted to write the episode before that because it was an important one, but Ben Edlund will be writing that one instead. And he mentioned that the episode he is writing is also important because it's includes somethings Joss wants to say.

*Originally posted by dayne: I read the transcript for an interview with Joss. He basically said that the key to this season is the shanshue. So, its more or less going to be an ongoing theme this season.

*Originally posted by Cryostar: Morning all, just wanted to say what I found yesterday on scifi.com:

Joss admitted to several guest stars showing up this season. None are really old news, but it's nice that Joss Confirms it.

Andrew will be in the slayer episode.
Cordelia will be in the 100th episode.
Depending on schedules, Connor will be back, JW really wants this to happen.
Darla will also be back, although they did not say how, either this is a flashback or not.

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[ 01-28-2004: Message edited AngelFan95 ]

AngelFan95

Old thread.

Okay, we had two votes for each of these titles:

136: Can't fight that parasitic feeling
136: Schemes within Schemes within Cups of Mountain Dew

Anyone want to give one of them a third vote so we can have a title in the thread?

Rebel'n'Spuffy

I pick that one! you may want to tell the other thread that you made a new one. Heeeee. Thank you!!! Lovely new thread! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Kelie

n e r b l e

yep, i totally go w/ the mountain dew one.

AngelFan95

Mountain Dew it is then. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I'm off to change the title and work on my reply now.

sum1

These spoilers from the end of the last thread need to be added to the first post of this thread:

[img]smilies/star.gif[/img] Originally posted by AngelFan95:
Found these on the ASSB - http://www.voy.com/14810/133062120.html
"Spoilers" for Episode 15

01/19 - This episode is directed by Joss Whedon and is mainly about Fred. Fred is attacked by a demon and when Wes comes to save her they get a little closer... Source: Buffy.nu (Thanks Charlie and Emma for the tip.)

01/19 - Harmony sets out on a quest to win her soul. Spike tangles with a Morah demon and becomes a new man. Angel gets a lead from the Wolfram & Hart seers that a young man with superpowers named Scott is in town and may be in trouble. He tracks Scott to a club and while he's there a trigger in his mind gets activated. Gunn is offered more power if he merges with the... An incorporeal Lilah informs Fred that her parents have been murdered by ninja cyborgs and claims Knox was the one who sent them. Lorne gets kidnapped by eyeless men in robes. Wesley comes across papers signed by Angel authorizing a mind wipe. After Fred's vengeance is carried out, D'Hoffryn appears to offer her a job. Source: An Angel's Soul (Thanks Max for the tip.)

[img]smilies/star.gif[/img] Originally posted by AngelFan95:
Here's another post full of "spoilers" from the ASSB:

Author: Willy Wonky
Author Host/IP: 1Cust115.tnt1.det5.da.uu.net / 67.192.52.115
Subject: Spoilers for the first half of episode 16!
D'Hoffryn gives Fred an amulet and tells her to use it to summon him if she wants the job. Fred turns to look at Knox's body and sees static coming out of his body. She zaps the body with her stun gun to reveal one of those shapeshifter ninja cybogs. Fred determines she's been duped. The next day when Knox comes to work, Fred hugs and kisses him. Angel goes to Fred to have her check him out because he briefly lost control of himself and bit the kid Scott, who turned out to be a mislead. Fred does a scan and finds a metallic object in his brain. Fred and Knox remove the chip and stitch Angel back up. Angel examines the object and reads the word Illyria. The object begins to glow and a portal opens up in the middle of the room. After his tangle with the Morah demon, where it's blood got into a cut he had, Spike's heart now beats. He goes to the lab to tell Fred the good news but before he can, Angel and Fred ask him to go with them through the portal as backup. He agrees and jumps through with them. They are spit out on the English countryside and Angel smashes his head on a rock. Once he recovers he hears a beating noise but dismisses it as his head throbbing. A giant bug-like creature apears and grabs Angel. Spike jumps on it's back and stabs in repeatedly with his stake. In the tussle, the blood of the bug gets in his cut as it dies. Spike grabs his chest and says, "Bloody hell!" Apparently the bug's blood counteracted the effects of the Morah demon's blood and Spike is a vamp again. A man delivers a sarcophagus to Knox in the lab and says it's for Winifred Burkle. Fred comes back through the portal with the bug to examine it. Knox shows Fred her package and she cracks it open to reveal the body of Professor Cidal. She gasps and faints. Angel and Spike meet up with Drogyn the keeper of the well. He tells them that one of the Old Ones named Illyria escaped from his prison.

That's all I have for now but just know that these spoilers only cover the first half of the episode. More will come soon.

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Ravenloft

I read this Spoilers first at the ASSB and i thing it is a Joke :Morahdemons,CyborgNinjas,D`Hoffryn and Bringers all in the same Episode [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] i dont buy it.

Cryostar

Thx for the muchos of spoilers AF, and most deffnitely for starting the new Thread. [img]smilies/hug.gif[/img]

Barry Woodward

Here's a new post by Willy Wonky that seems to have been deleted from ASSB:

"Spoilers for the second half of episode 16!

Wesley goes to the talking hamburger to find out more about the mindwipe. He is told that the universe is becoming unstable because Angel's contract didn't just change their memories but altered reality itself and if he doesn't stop it the world will be overrun by the Old Ones. He is told the only way to reverse this madness would be to kill Angel's son. Drogyn tells Angel and Spike, the only thing that can slay Illyria is 'The Tooth Of Light' a holy sword. Angel recognizes the name and says he had a dream about it once. Drogyn says it's accessible from many points all over the world and takes them to one of them. They're too late, Lindsey got there first and is in possession of the blade. Angel and Spike rush him but he vanishes. Once Fred wakes up she starts seeing flashes of events from last season and starts babbling. Knox doesn't know what to make of it but decides to record it in hopes it might be helpful in the future. Lorne wakes up inside a pagan temple tied up in the air with ropes. There are statues of the Old Ones (senior partners) and there are bringers chanting. The floor beneath Lorne opens up and Illyria, who looks exactly like the monster that The First Evil flashed on Buffy, climbs up fixing to devour the sacrifice (From beneath you, it devours.). Just before Lorne becomes a snack, Gunn arrives and commands Illyria to stop and it does. Gunn offers Illyria a few of the bringers instead saying it isn't time for Lorne to die yet. Gunn then turns and winks at Lorne. Harmony reaches the demon trial caves and discovers the scorpion demon ripped to pieces. She investigates further by going deeper into the cave and down some stairs to find countless Turok-Han vampires. Grr Argh!"

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progirl

AngelFan, thanks for going through the summary and find the scene about the easy chair. I can't believe I missed that! Thanks also for the spoilers although I wonder how much is true.
Anna

AngelFan95

You're all welcome for the new thread.

Regarding the spoilers I posted yesterday, I'm not entirely sure how valid they are, especially with this news from Spoiler Slayer: Is anyone else as confused as I am right now? [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Hell on Heels

Nina's coming back? Not so excited but atleast they are following up on what they said about her coming back everytime she's due to wolf-out.

AngelFan95

This is from Eddy at the ASSB: So Fred's parents are going to be in Episode 15. Do you think it's possible that they're what the delivery man brings?

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Hell on Heels

Anything is possible...

I'm liking these spoilers. I can't say I was happy with the first few episodes but it looks to be getting better and better.

I'm not sure how to feel about Spike becoming human from the same demon Angel did, and then losing it like Angel did. Seems they are trying to make Spike too much like Angel. Or atleast expeirence the same things Angel has. What's the chances of Spike running across the same demon and also becoming human? And then also loosing it? It's getting to be a little boring and aggrivating, but I guess that's what the writers want.

I'm not completely sure that those spoilers weren't cooked up in a fans head. They sound cool and all but there's something up.

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xmag

I think Spike running into a Mohra demon is the way of telling us that IF Spike ever becomes human in the future, it will be thanks to a Mohra demon, who are apparentely, not so rare. Because Angel never shared with Spike this little information, so Spike had to learn it by himself.
And that the shanshu is Angel's.
I wouldn't run out Angel and Spike both becoming humans by the end of the show, but from different origins.