[There You'll Be]

I am just worried about what happens in the meantime.

How long it will take to take action once hatred does lead to disaster.

[sunnykerr]

It might not lead to disaster, though.

People are already aware of the situation.

[There You'll Be]

True, people are aware.

I just don't see people getting too involved.

That's just my lack of faith in people.

Some Nascar drivers have come out in a commercial saying they will not tolerate discrimination in any form, without speaking up against it.

I was happy to see one of the drivers was Jimmie.

[sunnykerr]

Well, if NASCAR drivers are saying that, I can't imagine those laws will stay on the books very long.

Can you imagine any North Carolina politician pushing NASCAR out?

It'll never happen.

[There You'll Be]

Yeah, I think people are speaking up.

I just think our governor, is frankly, too stupid, and feels he doesn't have to answer to anyone.

Only 4 of the 40 drivers participated, but it's a start.

After Orlando, I don't know which way things are going to go.

[sunnykerr]

I think it depends on how people choose to react to the events of Orlando.

From what I can see, everyone's rushing to call what happened a terrorist thing, a thing about guns and mental illness...

And that may all be true.

But the gay thing seems to be gleaned over, I find.

I mean, I've seen memorials, of course.

But the politics side of it seems to be more interested in managing a crisis than in realizing what this was about.

[There You'll Be]

Well, either he was gay, or he went to a lot of trouble meeting and spending time with gay men.

I think, here anyway, it's been about the sexual orientation.

I don't watch much of the news, but it's come down to that, and bullying people who are different that I'm seeing.

I tend to zone out about politics.

Especially when it comes to an event like this.

[sunnykerr]

I've just been frustrated by the rush to call it terrorism.

That's what's really going on with me.

I'm not saying it's not, but to me the gay thing is the larger issue.

Those people were targeted because of what made them part of a minority group.

To me, that makes it more of a hate crime.

And even if it's also terrorism, I think we need to keep the gay issue top of our mind.

Because, otherwise, we're erasing who the victims were and why he targeted them.

[There You'll Be]

Well, when someone pledges their allegiance to Isis, that's what we go on, after everything that's happened.

It's both, according to what I've heard from our news.

[sunnykerr]

I can't believe people are taking that "pledge" so seriously.

I mean, like you said, it's all over the news.

And, since his parents were born in the Middle East, it's what everyone was thinking anyway the second they found out what his name was.

I guess it worked, didn't it?

No one's talking about the repressed homosexuality in the U.S. news.

He didn't attend that club frequently. He was just "casing" it.

Also, did you know that Orlando has laws on the books whereby you can be fired by your employer if you're gay?

Like, it's legal to do that in Orlando.

It's also legal for medics to refuse to treat a person if that person is gay.

No wonder that guy didn't want to be gay so bad that he did what he did and called it a radical terrorist thing.

[There You'll Be]

I didn't know people were.

From what I've seen and heard, it was taken as kind of "wannabe" ISIS.

Either way, it was world terrorism or domestic terrorism.

All I've seen is terrorist hate crime.

Yeah, we are. That's all we're talking about, at least within the group of people I've talked to.

It's obvious repressed homosexuality .

Those are the same laws there that we have here.

It's not isolated to Orlando.

[sunnykerr]

On the news that I'm seeing coming out of the U.S., they don't talk about the repressed homosexuality at all.

It's all "radicalized" this and "of Afghan origins" that.

Some of them are even saying that the fact that he was a regular at that club is actually evidence that he was "casing" the place.



It's very distressing to me to hear that there are so many discriminatory laws against gay people.

We're in the 21st century, for crying out loud.

I don't understand how that's still happening.

[There You'll Be]

Oh, see I have hardly seen anything on terrorism connected with the case.

I mean it's part of it, but the main part is the rest of the story.

I told you.

That's the kind of hate that is allowed, and promoted here.

Trump is really basing his hatred on laws that are already around, just pushing the laws to all the states.

[sunnykerr]

There's been a theory floated around in the French-from-France media that Trump is deliberately trying to lose the nomination/election.

I'm not entirely why he would be doing that, mind you, except maybe as some sort of tax evasion scheme, but I'm just saying I've seen a few reporters put that idea forward.



I'm glad that they're talking about the gay angle more than the terrorism thing where you are.

Because it feels like they're erasing the significance of what happened here.

And I don't think that's right.

Because the whole point is that the gay community is still not being treated equally and bars/clubs are about the only place where they can safely be themselves.

[There You'll Be]

Yeah, I've heard he's working for Hilary.

All I watch is local news, so I get the local angle of the stories.

As I said, the laws are made to allow people to get away with discrimination.

At this point, here, they can tell you they're discriminating against you, and there is not one thing you can do about it.

So essentially no minority has rights when it comes to certain things.