X-Men - Phoenix/Jean Grey {Famke Janssen} #3: "I know what everybody feels." - Jean Grey - Page 16

crash landing · 05-04-2017, 06:07 PM

Oh thanks for the link

**PhoenixRising** · 05-05-2017, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sum1 (View Post)

Interesting? It's objectifying and ridiculous. They had her going about in the snow in that outfit in the comics. Should have gotten frostbite. It's clear the ninja version of Psycloke that appeared in 1990 was designed to be ogled by fans while she lifted her leg for high kicks.

It's similar to what Elektra wore in the comics. That was also a very revealing ninja outfit. That was the era of Jim Lee, Todd McFarlane, Rob Liefeld, etc. They drew a lot of female characters that way. I think Jean was one of the few X-Men that got a full body costume.

But even then he still drew her like a porn star.

**canflam** · 05-05-2017, 04:30 PM

Elektra isn't a comic meant for kids to read though, but since she's an assassin what would have had her wear instead?

sum1 · 05-05-2017, 05:21 PM

Marvel comics have had a considerable adult readership since the later '60s at least and it's increased every decade, so I don't think they can be dismissed just as "comics meant for kids to read."

As for what Elektra wore, there's nothing that says that Ninjas or assassins have go around in their bathing suits.

And as for female X-Men costumes, Storm and Rogue had full-body costumes around the time Psylocke wore that outfit.

crash landing · 05-06-2017, 07:00 AM

Yea many comic fans probably would have started reading as kids

**PhoenixRising** · 05-06-2017, 05:37 PM

Well, sum1, I must admit that I did like the way that Jim Lee drew female characters.

I loved how he drew Catwoman, Poison Ivy, and Lois Lane in Batman: Hush. I apologize.

sum1 · 05-07-2017, 07:45 AM

Jim Lee's art leaves me with mixed feelings. It was dynamic, polished, clear-cut and dramatic, but also a bit cold and sterile. And his distorted anatomy on both women and men sometimes is a bit much for me. At least he wasn't Rob Liefeld.

As regards portrayal of women, a lot of pencillers have problems with that, including even female pencillers like Jan Duursema. I generally like the way John Romita Jr draws women. He doesn't over-sexualize and he puts relatable humanity into them. He's got a sensitive touch.

Links for Sarah:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Romita_Jr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Liefeld
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Lee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Duursema

**PhoenixRising** · 05-07-2017, 06:56 PM

Thanks for providing those links, sum1.

Yeah, I liked John Romita, and his dad, John Romita Sr. He worked on The Night Gwen Stacy Died.

I think in the late 80's and early 90's, artists were getting a little crazy with anatomy. Just look at how Todd MacFarlane drew Mary Jane Watson in The Amazing Spider-Man.

But I agree about Liefeld.

I never liked his drawing. But Lee did go a good Jean Grey.