X-Men - Other Marvel Characters Thread #6 - Page 4

**PhoenixRising** · 02-07-2018, 07:14 PM

Wow, okay.

I still like them to make sense, but whatever.

Heroes messed around with time travel way too much and so did The Flash.

sum1 · 02-07-2018, 07:47 PM

I liked the time travel in Heroes. The Flash is crap anyway -a DC CW show with a wimpy lead star.

**PhoenixRising** · 02-08-2018, 12:30 PM

I agree about The Flash.

But Heroes got sloppy with their time travel. Future Peter and present day Peter were a mess. Oh, and it's impossible for present day Hiro to travel to the future and meet his future self because he jumped over the time in-between, meaning there was no future Hiro for Hiro to meet.

The Flash made the same mistake when present day Barry met future Barry in the future.

The rule is that you can travel back in time to meet your past self, but you can't travel forward in time to meet your future self because your future self's existence is dependent on you staying put in the timeline. If you travel forward in time you don't exist in the future because you haven't lived the years in between. As far as the rest of the world is concerned, you disappeared in whatever year you left and you just reappeared in the future having not aged a day.

That's one of the biggest time travel mistakes that movies and TV always make.

sum1 · 02-08-2018, 03:48 PM

I don't buy that. There are no hard and fast rules for time travel. Every fiction franchise or story has the right to make up their own rules. We're talking about something made-up, here.

**PhoenixRising** · 02-08-2018, 04:31 PM

Well, I understand that they're free to make up the rules, but meeting your future self in the future really doesn't hold up to scrutiny or logic, which is why I can't buy it.

For example, when Hiro traveled several months into the future and went to Isaac's loft after he had been killed by Sylar, the police had Hiro call home and he spoke to Ando. And Ando told Hiro that he'd been missing for months and no one knew where he was. That's consistent with how it works. But that contradicts the episode later in the season where Hiro travels five years into the future and meets his former self. That shouldn't happen because there's no Hiro in the timeline to become future Hiro, because Present Day Hiro jumped over that time.

It's just like how space movies depict people either explosively decompressing or instantly freezing if they're exposed to the vacuum of space. In reality, neither of those things happen if you get sucked into space. Space is just one atmospheric pressure lower than Earth at sea level, so while you could get a case of the bends(like deep sea divers if they come up too fast), or you could get a pulmonary embolism or your lungs could hemorrhage if you don't vent the air out of them, the most that'll happen is that the skin on your hands, face, and feet would swell and you'd get hypoxia, but that's it. You'd still have less than a minute to get back inside your spacecraft before passing out from lack of oxygen, and after three minutes you die from brain suffocation.

As for instant freezing, that can't happen either. There's no air or liquid in space to make you feel cold, like if you were outside during winter or if you fell into a lake or pond full of cold water. Space has no matter, so there's nothing touching your skin to take the heat out of you by conduction or convection, so even though space could be hundreds of degrees below freezing, you wouldn't feel it. Your body would continue to radiate normal body temperature of 98.6F which would keep you warm until your body radiated all the heat out you, which would take hours to do, and by which time you'd already be long dead from suffocation. Of course, if you got sucked into outer space anywhere near the sun, like near the orbit of Venus, you'd start to burn because then the temperature of space around Venus would be well above 400F. But in Earth's orbit, the temperature of space is about 50F, so it's like an average Spring day.

sum1 · 02-08-2018, 05:12 PM

I'll remember that the next time I get sucked into space.

**PhoenixRising** · 02-08-2018, 06:32 PM

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I'll remember that the next time I get sucked into space.

Just make sure to blow all the air out of your lungs.

And do not touch the side of your spacecraft while you're trying to get back in or your hand will freeze.

Oh, I just remembered. That scene where Dave Bowman got into the Discovery's airlock without a space helmet on in 2001: A Space Odyssey is a perfect example. Notice how he was exposed to vacuum for several seconds after he blew the explosive bolts on the door of his space pod and flew into the airlock. He didn't freeze or explode at all.

sum1 · 02-09-2018, 02:36 PM

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Well, I understand that they're free to make up the rules, but meeting your future self in the future really doesn't hold up to scrutiny or logic, which is why I can't buy it.

It holds up perfectly when there are mutiple alternate futures, as there are in Marvel

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For example, when Hiro traveled several months into the future and went to Isaac's loft after he had been killed by Sylar, the police had Hiro call home and he spoke to Ando. And Ando told Hiro that he'd been missing for months and no one knew where he was. That's consistent with how it works. But that contradicts the episode later in the season where Hiro travels five years into the future and meets his former self. That shouldn't happen because there's no Hiro in the timeline to become future Hiro, because Present Day Hiro jumped over that time.

You're getting too caught up in the logic of the thing.