dragonfire

No problem. https://www.cbr.com/x-men-emma-frost-hates-kid-cable/

sum1

That's not Cable.

dragonfire

https://www.cbr.com/x-men-house-of-x...tant-chimeras/

MarvelousToons

Don't worry, I'll be here... in the shadows... wreaking havoc



That's why anything in regards to "Kid Cable" isn't on my reading list, and I don't talk about anything not worthy of my reading it lol

sum1

They missed the fact that a key part of what made Cable a good character as that he was an older guy.

PhoenixRising

That's good to know, MarvelousToons. I'm off tomorrow so I'll have time to reply. Typing out a long post is difficult when you're posting and moderating on multiple boards.

Thanks for that link, dragonfire.

I agree, sum1. Cable just doesn't look right any other way than the way he was originally conceived. But today they're way too into appealing to the youngest demographic they can find. Did you see the guy they cast to play Paul Atreides in the new Dune remake? The guy looks like some kid from a CW show.

dragonfire

No problem. https://www.cbr.com/marauders-x-men-...de-fan-theory/

sum1

Isn't everybody in Marvel comics now?

PhoenixRising

I know, sum1. Black Cat is as well. Marvel Comics is becoming like 1990s late night Cinemax. And even though a lot of them are bisexual, they don't portray them accurately.

84% report being in a relationship with an opposite sex partner.

9% report being in a relationship with a same-sex partner.

Pew Research Center.

Guess who doesn't like that statistic? The PC police. And the entertainment media bow down to the PC police.

dragonfire

https://screenrant.com/marvel-xmen-w...missing-vault/

sum1

Logan is the coolest Wolverine.

PhoenixRising

I agree, sum1. No one asked for Laura. I like her, but I don't want her supplanting Logan.



Hi, MarvelousToons! Okay, now I'm gonna reply. You're welcome. I'm glad I could help you out there.

Oh, so you didn't like Peter being paired with Felicia Hardy, the Black Cat? I liked her a lot, second only to Mary Jane Watson. The Gwen Stacy thing I chalk up to all these manbabies they have in Marvel now who never forgave Marvel for killing off Gwen back in the 1970s and think now that it was a sexist move or something. They don't get that Gwen just wasn't an interesting character and her death provided Peter with yet another tragedy following the death of Ben Parker that showed the growth and development of his character. Also, the movie Love Story had just come out in theaters three years earlier, so guys losing the women they loved was a common theme back then.


Wow, Rachel minus the Phoenix? Inspired! She's tied to that damn thing nearly as much as Jean is.

Rey wasn't a character as much as she was a symbol, which is why her character doesn't work. She wasn't created to be anything more than a female Luke Skywalker, but poorly conceived, mostly so that young girls could have a positive role model without actually having a fully developed and human character, like Katniss Everdeen.

Well, remember that Scott made some bad decisions regarding Hope even before the Phoenix Force took over him, Emma, and the other three that probably contributed to things, which again I felt was inconsistent with his character. Scott's attitude towards Hope seemed like that of a man who had long term amnesia when it came to the Phoenix. It wasn't the Scott Summers I remember from the 80s at all.

Well, it was Frank Miller's version of why the Justice League disbanded, but I think it was very insightful for its time, especially since The Dark Knight Returns came out in the 1980s but it's extremely relevant for today. Yes, that last part you mentioned is exactly what I'd have done with Civil War. I'd have "soccer mom" members of Congress voting on a bill to register superhumans, which would polarize and divide the Avengers ideologically.

Well, that's pretty much it, just what you said there. I can't argue with that at all.

Namor again? Didn't he get decapitated a while back or something?

Well, my problem with Hope is that she's a carbon copy of Rachel. She also seems a bit of a stereotype, like a character we've seen way too many times before. "Greetings, Starfighter! You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan armada."


I'm glad you like my Guardians lineup. I'm just taking the Infinity Watch and changing the name, adding Groot and Rocket. Nova I threw in there because I'd like him to have a role in the story as well. And isn't Moondragon Drax's daughter?

Oh, I'm well aware of Jame's Gunn's pea-brain. I've had his number ever since I saw the Dawn of the Dead remake, which he wrote the screenplay for.


Well, for the record, I'd have cast Chris Pine as Hank Pym and Olivia Wilde as Janet Van Dyne. Or perhaps someone else as Janet, I'm not sure yet. But Scott simply wasn't a necessary character because he's got no story outside of stealing Hank's suit to save his daughter. My problem with the Thor movies is that they weren't structured correctly and didn't follow the mythology well. The Iron Man sequels were just rushed into production and really didn't seem like they had much of a clear story idea. But I don't see the MCU as a very well told, interconnected story overall. I see it as a story that had a few good movies, but overall had no clear direction or theme.

Kevin Feige's problem is that he was Avi Arad's lapdog all through the original X-Men film saga, and he managed to con Lauren Shuler Donner into thinking he was a comic book expert and knew what he was doing. and as for his "idea" for the MCU, if he had thought things out properly he'd have never allowed Edgar Wright's Ant-Man to go into production. But I've written entire essays on that man's flaws, so I'm not gonna repeat myself.

I'm glad that's the kind of storyteller you are. I like people who aren't afraid to take risks in defiance of the studios and the PC police. I think Hollywood underestimates both the audience and the material. And again, I don't give Kevin Feige a pass for anything. The thing with The Vision is exactly the reason you need Hank Pym for the Ultron storyline, because it was Hank's nanotech that allowed for Ultron to map his programming onto the Vision just as Hank's brainwave patterns was the basis for Ultron's mind. But again, I've gone into this so many times I have a headache.


Yeah, but I still loved Scott and Jean in Apocalypse.


Thanks, I look forward to it.


You're welcome. And I've already commented on Gunn.

Lemme get to the rest of your comment later. Man, you wrote a lot of stuff.

dragonfire

https://www.cbr.com/spider-man-x-men...arvel-zombies/

MarvelousToons

I read a very little with Laura and someone put it well, that she should have been written as her own character, without the attachment of being Wolverine. That would have worked best


LOL we talked about SOOOO much, this time I'm gonna make this succinct and not too detailed. I love to talk about things like this, and I get well overboard

I don't remember what I said there, um... now I think Felicia is a good pair for Peter... But... I don't really remember what I said and don't care to go back lol

I only knew of Gwen Stacy as "Spider-Gwen", and did know bits and pieces here and there. I never knew too much about her, didn't care kinda. I've always seen Peter with Mary Jane as the best pair, only because Mary Jane was the non-super in the relationship, and I liked Peter having this relationship with someone that couldn't necessarily relate to him as a superhero. I need to read the runs with him and Black Cat tho lol

Rachel will have moments as the Phoenix, but... it's not going to play NEARLY a major role into her character, the way the comics have. The Phoenix only becomes important in her character WAAAAAY later on, in the story arcs "Etienne" and "The Children of Phoenix". This story spends time with Rachel's developing relationship/investigation of the mystery behind Olivier Raven, and how the Phoenix Force ties all involved members to a chaotic cosmic plight.

I totally agree and meant to mention that, Rey is Kathleen Kennedy's author avatar. And what wound up happening with Rey, the writer's "message" got in the way of developing Rey into a full complete character. She became more of a plot device, than a human being, that embarks a life changing voyage of self realization.

Hunger Games is STILL on my list

I don't care to remember what all happened at this point. Every direction of AVX was piss poor ****, isn't Bendis responsible for AvX? He was also responsible for killing of one of the best character potentials, Matthew Malloy. I will never forgive that

Yeah, the "soccer mom" piece is actually something I've been considering to tackle, alongside the negative of PC policing everything. I think "narrative diversity" is lacking in how to see things in a full, encompassing perspective. There's an area in which, its important to call out offensive behaviors, and get political in defending certain demographics... however, there needs to show the flip side of that. How PC culture is a problem, and can be used as a tool against freedom of speech, belief and conduct. I'd like to showcase that as well



I don't know but of ALL mutants, why has Namor had the Phoenix shoehorned into his narrative? He's a ****ing SEA CREATURE, the opposite of a Phoenix. Characters like Havok, Gambit, and Sunspot, got WAAAAAY more in common with the Phoenix than NAMOR does

I agree with the stereotype thing, but... ugh, she's someone I really don't like

I do
Um... Moondragon as far as I know is Drax's daughter, but in James Gunn's film, Drax goes on about the death of this daughter so... the more I look at GOTG the more I get mad and sick

I saw like, clips of that horse**** remake. My mom talks about it like no one else can

Ooooh Chris Pine would make an awesome Hank Pym!

Yes... Thor, about Thor... I wouldn't have mind it too much if they strayed SOME from the mythology (which isn't smart), but they did NOTHING with Thor's character and background development. They built no mythos of their own, no real backstory, just nothing at all! Personally, I wanna explore more from the mythological perspective, and figure out how to make it work with comic canon. I've been working on a REALLY good story for Thor, and his development as a hero, and a Cosmic level hero

LOL I'm not gonna argue with any of that I am someone willing to give some a benefit of a doubt... but... there are these glaring issues that, even as an MCU fan myself, cannot overlook or get over

Definitely

I hope to set a trend in reviving experimentalism in storytelling for film, animation or whatever media. Back in the 2000s, anime brought about a cutting edge renaissance in media, and soon enough, many tropes, characteristics and pop-cultural ideals grew into the mainstream. And it was different from average type of storytelling, often not worried over political correctness, and was straight forward with its own narrative. Guess what? People LOVED it! Anime is a continuously growing culture to this day. I wish something like that could happen again, and get creative thought stirred once more with these studio writers.

I agree that, Hollywood would make decisions on what people may or may not find relatable in the original source, and then **** it up by watering it down, or making unnecessary changes, that sometimes disrespects the original source. And I didn't know that about Hank Pym's involvement with Ultron (I mean I have for a while now, but ykwim lol) and that's something did not need to be changed. it would have been a better way to tie Ant-Man into the whole Avengers' narrative, had they maintained Hank Pym's importance.

Grr, well maybe... just maaaaaybe, I may... look back at it again...



No sweat, I hope the answers I did in this one is way less wordy and ****

PhoenixRising

Thanks for that, dragonfire. So now Peter never respected Beast, huh?




Hi, MarvelousToons! Yes, give me a chance to get caught up on everything because you wrote an awful lot. I'll try to get the rest tomorrow.

Oh, and you earlier said that you thought that Peter needed to be with a normal woman and not a Spider-Gwen character, and I mentioned that Felicia Hardy is not a normal woman, she's Black Cat, so does that mean you don't like Peter with her? Well, you obviously answered that question. And Gwen Stacy from the main Marvel universe was just an ordinary woman that Peter was in love with back in college, but they killed her off back in 1973 when she was thrown off of the George Washington bridge by Green Goblin and Peter tried to stop her fall by tagging her with a web line, but he stopped her too quickly after she had already fallen too far, and she ended up breaking her neck due to whiplash. And no, I don't like all these damn alternate reality Gwen Stacys either.