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Old 11-17-2019, 03:25 PM
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Hi, Alison! I'm glad you liked it. But I agree that it could've been better.


This is why I always say, "follow the comics." You simply cannot improve on the work of decades done by comic book writers.
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Old 11-18-2019, 08:05 AM
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It was a lot better than the critics and audiences allowed.
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Old 11-18-2019, 04:20 PM
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I agree, sum1. It was unfairly judged, probably because of the whole Disney deal.
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Old 11-28-2019, 07:53 PM
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People seemed to rush to hate it.
I think part of the problem is audiences dislike unhappy endings. The Dark Phoenix Saga doesn't transfer well to screen because of that.
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Old 11-29-2019, 05:14 PM
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Well, that all depends on how you do it. You can do the tragic ending in the right way so that it eventually sets up Jean coming back in a later film. But they didn't do it right at all. At least they got the Scott/Jean thing right.
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Old 11-30-2019, 04:18 AM
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Remember, the way it was in the comics didn't set up Jean for a return at all. That was a later retcon. In the beginning of the '80s she was just stone dead.
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Old 11-30-2019, 04:29 PM
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Yeah, I know, but you could make a film storyline that combines the original Dark Phoenix saga with the X-Factor storyline.
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Old 11-30-2019, 05:20 PM
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Lamest retcon ever. They should have left Jean dead.
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Old 12-01-2019, 04:15 PM
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I don't know. I liked 80s Jean. Less drama.
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Old 12-01-2019, 04:37 PM
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The original X-Factor team was fairly boring. THe only time X-Factor was especially interesting was in the '90s when Peter David was writing the second team for a while. But once he left it declined and swiftly became the most boring X-title. Jean was ok in the '90s, but I didn't find her particularly interesting in the original X-factor team. In her time back in the X-Men, JRJR drew her well. That worked. Her marriage to Scott was good. Her interactions with Cable and Rachel Summers. They made the most of her in the '90s and X-Men, but I could have skipped her being resurrected in the '80s and done with her resurrected in the '90s to rejoin the X-Men.
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Old 12-01-2019, 05:46 PM
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Wow, that long? I don't know if the writers would've waited that long to resurrect her.
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Old 12-01-2019, 08:38 PM
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Well I don't like the retcon they produced for it in the '80s and nor did Chris Claremont.
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Well, I knew that Chris wouldn't like it, but I thought the retcon they came up with was rather logical, with the Dark Phoenix turning out to be a doppelganger of Jean. Claremont originally wouldn't have killed off Jean if it hadn't been for her destroying a planet, which made her irredeemable in his eyes. Sometimes these guys write stories like laying tracks in front of a train while it's in motion.
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Logical? Logical to invalidate the portrayal of Jean throughout one of the X-Men's most classic eras? Like hell.
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Old 12-03-2019, 04:23 PM
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Well, I thought that the Dark Phoenix persona wasn't consistent with how Jean had been portrayed prior to that, during her Marvel Girl years, that's all.
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