Twilight Saga - Leah Clearwater #4: Because she's less annoying than Paul! - Page 8

**walkin' with a ghost** · 07-02-2009, 03:41 PM

Aww thats beautiful. Plus she wanted to be with jake so that warmed my Jake/Leah shipping heart.

Not gonna lie, i got so sad/mad for leah during that scene. Sam was a real ass trying to guilt trip her.

ssbailey · 07-02-2009, 03:47 PM

Mine too.

And yeah, he definitely was. It's one of the reasons I kind of halfway dislike him. It's like he let all the Power get to his head there at the end. He had no right to tell Jared to tell her that Sam wanted him to "beg on his knees to get her to come back home where she belongs"...and Jared, the loyal Beta, was oh to happy to please.

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when she yells at him...I can just see Jared replaying that part for Sam.

**walkin' with a ghost** · 07-02-2009, 03:51 PM

Whats worse is i think he was using his relationship with Leah and their history in a power struggle with Jacob for Alpha. From her perspective, thats got to really sting, because it just cheapens her emotions. Just thinking about it drive me a little crazy. I used to like sam but hes a prolific ass hat in that book.

ssbailey · 07-02-2009, 03:54 PM

I know, just another reason I don't like BD. And you're right about his actions cheapening her emotions and her feelings. It's like he didn't care that he was using her in that moment, all he wanted was to keep Jacob from being Alpha and taking away members of his pack.

**walkin' with a ghost** · 07-02-2009, 04:01 PM

Its just such an unbelivable horrible position to be put in. Which is why im totally Team Renegade Pack. Because I know Jake and Seth would always put her feelings above any kind of crap like that because they care about her.

The only part of a breaking dawn film i'd be intreasted in seeing is that threesome tbh. They were the greatest thing.

ssbailey · 07-02-2009, 04:13 PM

I agree, I could care less about the rest of BD. I

Team Renegades, too.

Seth and Jacob loved her the way she was, b*tchy and all, unlike the rest of the old pack...but in reality I don't think the rest of the Pack really understood what she was going through with the whole Sam thing. Seth knew because he witnessed it, and he saw how she was post-break-up with Sam before she phased and he saw how happy S/L were when they were together...and Jake understood because of what happened between him and Bella. The others just had not been through that type of situation so they didn't know how it felt and so therefore, didn't understand.

The only one who could have known how she felt was Sam, but the imprint clouded over that for him...and it's not like he was lonely at night, he had Emily--who I dislike more than the rest of them based on the whole imprint situation. She was the only one with the ablility to choose and she just showed how little she valued her relationship with Leah when she choose to be with Sam. IMO anyways.

**walkin' with a ghost** · 07-02-2009, 04:23 PM

I'm always quite sempathetic to Emily because really, the way the imprinting thing works sounds like, they pick the person thats prefect for them and it would be tough to resist someone who loved you that much and who you have such potential with. Had it not had the supernatural mojo thing hanging around it then Emily would be a total cow but resisting an imprint sounds pretty much impossible/unheard of.

I think I find it hard to judge really because we weren't told how the details, so I don' hold sam or emily responsable for the imprinting itself, but really how they acted in its aftermath. Emily and Leah were able to remain close and I respect that, but at the same time, it would be better for Leah to spend time away from her and sam.

HaleyBub · 07-02-2009, 05:47 PM

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I'm always quite sempathetic to Emily because really, the way the imprinting thing works sounds like, they pick the person thats prefect for them and it would be tough to resist someone who loved you that much and who you have such potential with. Had it not had the supernatural mojo thing hanging around it then Emily would be a total cow but resisting an imprint sounds pretty much impossible/unheard of.

Actually, it's impossible for the wolf. Emily felt absolutely nothing out of the ordinary for Sam. He couldn't resist her, but she could resist him. Of course, the idea of someone perfect for you loving you unconditionally like that it's pretty tempting and seemingly irresistable, but she could've said no. She could've waited til Leah was over him or something... I don't know.

Leah and Emily seemed pretty close and then Emily just betrayed Leah like that. And even so, Leah only holds grudges against Sam. I can't remember her acting out in relation to Emily... which is weird.

ssbailey · 07-02-2009, 06:05 PM

I don't remember her reacting against Emily either. Maybe she blames Sam for Emily's part in it too?

And you know, even if Emily had resisted would Sam have still stalked her or something since it's like 99.9% impossible for him to break the imprint? And what would be the after effects if a wolf was unable to be with their imprint for one way or another? There's just so much that SM left out, maybe too much for us to really understand...and to be honest I don't think she really understood the whole thing herself. Just my opinion. I'm not bashing her, but there are too many twisted, messed up, and left out things for her to explain completely IMO.

You know, I have to wonder if Emily was at first resistant when Sam first started to approach her after he broke up with Leah, but then maybe she agreed to go with him into the woods one night to talk, and that's the night when he scarred her? Like maybe she was trying to tell him she couldn't be with him and that's what caused him to phase? Or possibly she didn't believe him that he was a shape-shifter and so he had to prove it to her (which he didn't Leah) and then she wasn't far enough away when he phased. Either way, I think her staying with Sam had alot to do with her scars. She probably thought "Why would I want to go out and maybe never find someone to love me with these horrible scars when I have someone professing undying love to me right here?"

**walkin' with a ghost** · 07-03-2009, 03:29 AM

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Actually, it's impossible for the wolf. Emily felt absolutely nothing out of the ordinary for Sam. He couldn't resist her, but she could resist him. Of course, the idea of someone perfect for you loving you unconditionally like that it's pretty tempting and seemingly irresistable, but she could've said no. She could've waited til Leah was over him or something... I don't know.

Well the way nessie/jacob worked made it sound like the imprint had an attachement too.

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There's just so much that SM left out, maybe too much for us to really understand...and to be honest I don't think she really understood the whole thing herself. Just my opinion. I'm not bashing her, but there are too many twisted, messed up, and left out things for her to explain completely IMO.

She really doesn't know how it works, which was fine when the pack didn't know either, but it turned out that most of them ended up imprinting on someone - despite it being rare

She contradicted herself like 20 times. Either way imprinting it failure.

And i think thats exactly how it happened, i remember jacob saying how emily tried to resist at first.

Punkrocker · 07-03-2009, 07:52 AM

Hi.

Huge, huge Leah fan, so, I wanted to come join the support. And I'm really glad I checked this thread out, cause I agree with so many people here!

I defintely have to agree about SM contradicting herself over the imprinting issue, and how it was never properly explained. Even when Jacob and Leah were talking about Sam's and Billy's opinions on, it, those both get kind of shot down when Jacob imprints on Nessie.

ssbailey · 07-03-2009, 09:37 AM

Welcome Punkrocker!

You're right, but Nessie may somehow still be able to have children with Jacob *shudders* meaning that Sam's theory would still work. I want SM to take back that whole chapter of Jake imprinting on Nessie.

Maybe it's just me, but I wanted Jacob and Leah to end up together.

HaleyBub · 07-03-2009, 10:19 AM

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Well the way nessie/jacob worked made it sound like the imprint had an attachement too.

Nessie was a baby/toddler and kids usually get along well with whoever pays them extra attention and is willing to do whatever they want to please them. And since Jacob was like that it makes sense that she'd 'love' him right away.

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Maybe it's just me, but I wanted Jacob and Leah to end up together.

I never did, but BD made me want that. Their relationship, especially when Leah decided to leave Sam's pack and join Jacob's, was so well developed and it seemed like SMeyer was going down that route. But then... well, you know.

After the impriting, in the third book, Leah seemed a little forgotten on the background. She never even had a proper ending. Everybody got their happy ending or at least a resolution, except for Leah. Which makes me regret BD even more.

Punkrocker · 07-03-2009, 10:55 AM

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Welcome Punkrocker!

Thank you!

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You're right, but Nessie may somehow still be able to have children with Jacob *shudders* meaning that Sam's theory would still work. I want SM to take back that whole chapter of Jake imprinting on Nessie.

But even if Nessie could have kids, would they really be wolves? I mean, the vampires are what triggers the changing and creation of the La Push pack, they're sworn enemies - why would the wolf imprint on what is instinctively at least partly its enemy? That just never made sense to me.

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Maybe it's just me, but I wanted Jacob and Leah to end up together.

Same here. I saw the potential in Jacob's chapter at the end of Eclipse. Just the way she was hanging around him, and how he kept thinking back to her, how they were going through similar situations. It made sense, to me anyway. Then BD really developed that, only to let it hang there, unfinished and without any closure (from the parts I've read of book three and what I've heard about it).

ssbailey · 07-03-2009, 11:28 AM

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But even if Nessie could have kids, would they really be wolves? I mean, the vampires are what triggers the changing and creation of the La Push pack, they're sworn enemies - why would the wolf imprint on what is instinctively at least partly its enemy? That just never made sense to me.

That's exactly what I thought when I read it.

The only thing I can think of is that he imprinted out of Duty since he's the true Alpha. Because if he hadn't then there is a good chance Bella would have died, and then he would have lead the charge to kill the Cullens, which would then have brought in more Vampires who would be looking for revenge on who killed the Cullens, and then that would cause too many problems for the Pack to deal with. So if Jacob imprints on Nessie it solves all those problems for SM. However, I dislike the whole idea of Nessie. You can either be a Vampire or a human--there is no go between.

But I think Leah definitely felt something towards Jacob, maybe not anything romantic, but she at least felt a very strong connection with him.

Something I don't think she really felt with the others.