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Old 06-12-2020, 02:21 PM
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Old 06-12-2020, 04:50 PM
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Thanks for the new thread!

Picking up from the last thread, yeah it's gonna veeeery interesting to see how they handle all the protocols that keep coming up. I actually just read on Carina's twitter that it seems that showrunners and writers are potentially barred from set. Not that their presence made the episodes better or anything. It sounds like the WGA isn't even involved in the talks of the new production protocols. If they were already so close to striking this spring, I wonder what this might do. It's not as if the possibility of a writer's strike went away with the pandemic, just pushed it off.

Will all of this end up with more bottle episodes? What about storylines that aren't resolved this season? Like say the '47 storyline, which more often than not, required huge sequences and lots of extras. Even the scenes that were smaller in scale used guest actors and I think they might be trying to limit guest actors as well. So if it doesn't get resolved on Monday, what becomes of it? It's a mess.

And outside of the '47 story, I'm just so bored by the entire season. I'm annoyed that Kyle has been sidelined. I'm annoyed that Maria is still underutilized, as her story only serves to prop up the other characters, it's not about her, it's about what the aliens are discovering about themselves via her. I hate how it's obvious who Carina's favorite(s) are. I don's see any of this getting better by the finale and I don't see any of it getting better in season 3.
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It's going to be a crazy time. So many protocols. I guess it depends on when they start filming. At this point, only the medical drama probably are the safest, and we might see a lot more surgery scenes. Lots of extras. Or large sets will be discouraged for the time being. Big action storylines, not so much. Good bye love scenes... Or just nice and simple intimate scenes.

The racy soaps, like Roswell NM are going to find it tricky unless shows add to their production costs with CGI type scenes. You can do alot these days to trick a audience.

It's going be a very unique upcoming television season.
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Old 06-12-2020, 09:57 PM
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I honestly feel that is the writers strike is going to happen let it happen now or in the fall or spring. It will give shows a lot of time to figure things out or until we get a cure or treatment for COVID 19. .

I remember the writers strike in 2008 and some shows suffered so much. However the bad ones were cut and a few of the good ones stayed.

With Scifi I feel you can be a lot more creative. You don't need a lot of CGI just some imagination. Buffy back in the day did a whole episode where no one spoke until the very end. It was amazing.

I feel like they could do a whipeout plot where everyone goes missing. Or have it a one woman show Liz is alone and has to figue out why. Have it where you can't touch anyone for fear of a alien virus Or do flashbacks and limit it to dessert scenes with only 2 or 3 people social distancing. So many options.

I hope the show ends. It is a mess and you can see if getting worse as the weeks go on. The 1947 storyline is amazing. If only they had stuck to that plot and timeline when they were thinking of a reboot.

From the last thread I agree with you PrincipessaBella about how the Supernatural fandome is insane. I saw it getting worse at Comic Con as the years went on and this was way before the Be The Light campaign started. The last Supernatural San Diego Comic Con talk I went to was in 2012 and they were in Hall H. It was nuts.

I remember in 2007 when we were in a smaller room at San Diego Comic Con and it was just a great group of fans and the cast and creators who loved the show. The talk in was exciting 2007 season 3 was just picked up after the show was almost cancelled so that was awesome.

Now it has morfed into an insane fandom. I will always love the show but crazy fans can destroy a good fandom.

Roswell was a feeling like no other. I am glad over the years even through our ups and downs (I remember the shipper wars back in the day those were crazy ) Now they we have all surrendered and their is peace (we can now all agree to disagree) I always felt at home and welcomed with the Roswell fandom. The Roswell fandome hands down is the best fandom ever. I have met so many Roswell fans over the years and each time it is like coming home.

I tired when the Roswell New Mexico reboot started to welcome the new fans on the Roswell New Mexcio Board and tell them to check out our board and the original and I got a bad vibe from the start. No responce from the fans and little to no conversation or a welocme. I am glad I don't post over there anymore. They are way to clickish and it is all about Michael and Alex.

I am glad everyone feels welcome here. Like my former Co Mod Dreamer4ever and I statred on the Board Guide so many years ago "Welcome to the ever-burgeoning I know An Alien Club" thread

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Old 06-13-2020, 06:51 AM
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I don't think there will be a writers's strike anytime soon. Everyone has lost money and jobs, and who knows the working conditions, and the ability to work on even established shows for awhile. Neither side has a lot of leverage, because the nature of the shows have changed and everything for awhile has to sort it out.

Before, there was a huge chance due to the advances of streaming, and writers had a lot to bargain from. Now, with jobs all over the place, and not all that guaranteed at the moment. It's going to take awhile to figure it all out.

The last one, strictly because how it was timed. In the middle of the season. It changed a lot of shows. Messed up story lines. Some like Big Bang Theory got a a new life because of it. Fans hadn't really it. Reruns had to air, and fans found it, and they went back and worked on the stories, and the show blossomed. Or like Bones, their third season storyline got mangled due to loss of episodes. Because by the time it came, back, they only wanted to air a certain amount of episodes, and didn't have time to do the story line they had set out justice.. But tacked on some for the next season. So the following seasons, shows like Bones and Grey's Anatomy had big episode counts.

Roswell New Mexico will be in a trick situation because it's a soap. It's not going to be easy to navigate. But they probably can delay shooting compared to some other shows who will want to get their shows ready for January.

The good thing is that RNM can't be compared to our shows except for they share a few similar characters, others have been changed, So, it leaves our show in a different world. So, Roswell NM exists in it's own way, and has some fun points, but yeah, some of the creativity is lacking.
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Old 06-13-2020, 06:21 PM
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Do you realize there is more discussion and ideas and speculation and thoughts on this one thread here on the OG Roswell board then on the entirety of the Roswell NM board? Every once in a while I go over there hoping to find discussions like this and .....nope....just posts saying hi and bump. Shipper wars? How the heck does Michael and Alex have over 50 plus threads and each one singularity has dozens yet everyone else , every other character...every other couple has threads in the single digit count?! Very odd!!

Love this thread! OG fans are the best in the whole world !!
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Old 06-13-2020, 09:36 PM
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Some of us that were M/M fans had to make a thread on the couples board for them cause they tried to dictate and control what we could talk about in our M/M thread on the NM board. They acted like Nazis over there over M/A, then tried to follow us over there as well. Now it's pretty much the same two posters over there just repeating themselves to death about the crumbs they get. The two of them don't care about anything else but M/A but it's just more proof of how horrible and unmemorable the show is.
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Old 06-13-2020, 09:54 PM
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The "cosmic" couple that were never really actually a couple! Very few people seem to give a damn about M/L or M/M or any of the ships that aren't M/A...to the point that the M/A fans bully you about liking anything that isn't them. It's hard to want to engage with fans who don't want to have legitimate conversation about the show or other characters and can't seem to see flaws. It's also kind of off-putting at how badly some of them infantilize Alex and put Michael on this pedestal as if he's some kind of god. Sooo much yikes
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Old 06-13-2020, 11:04 PM
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Like I said, the show was very new and they showed how QUICKLY they were a toxic fandom in the first season as soon as Michael slept with Maria. Then when he started pursuing her, leading to them being a couple all of S2 they got even worse. I think they got mad cause they were crazy enough to think and say that M/M would never be a couple then it happened, and he's still in a relationship with Maria, not Alex. Besides being cuckoo, a lot of them are also racist since now they racially attack the actress that plays Maria (and the two faced, cowardly actors aren't much better since they never defend Heather and the guy that plays Michael acts so desperate and thirsty over M/A he even liked Tweets by the same racist fans that attack his cast mate cause he was RIGHTFULLY called out for never defending Heather/Maria from the nerverending attacks on her. He got in his feelings, then after doing that then tries to like some M/M posts but too little too late cause he showed what a jackass he is. It's also the same toxic fanbase that attacked him last summer for talking positively about M/M and saying M/A was toxic) but this isn't the first time I've seen toxic fandoms act completely insane cause they are threatened by a couple so there you go. I'll just never get why some people act like this over fictional couples on TV shows, and it's even more ridiculous and pathetic that their adults. It's also a shame the actors on the show are just as pathetic as the toxic fandom they throw crumbs to on social media, acting like M/M aren't a couple there but they are the main couple on the actual show and Michael never picks Alex over Maria. If M/A are that great to them, write them as the love story then but they don't. They toss M/A fans crumbs but continue to write Michael to be in love with Maria and always putting her first. What happens on the actual show and the way they talk on social media, it's like two different shows are on. I've never seen a cast on another TV show act like a bunch of desperate fangirls over a toxic fandom. It's too desperate for a show that won't last long or have any lasting impact over the years, it will be quickly forgotten (Especially M/A) It's always had bad ratings and only gets instant renewals cause CW wants a paycheck, nothing more. Get over yourselves.

This thread has been a great outlet to rant about the horrible writing on the show and the two faced actors lol. I just get heated when I think about how Heather has been racially attacked and none of her cast have her back or defend her. Especially with all the Black racism happening in this country right now, effing really? That really disgusts me, this show deserves to continue to crash and burn.

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Old 06-14-2020, 12:42 PM
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First and foremost, tomorrow is finale day!!! (I'll be watching from in between my fingers ) Lots going on in the last thread and this thread, love it! Um yeah I've already said how the rnm board is comprised solely of tumble weeds. I really don't understand how that board stays open(yet the powers that be wanna pick at the Jason board?!). Anywho, two things that stood out to me: 1) A writers strike at this time and even into at least next year, would not be wise. Writers struggled for work for at least 3 or so months and then to not have work for however long the strike would last? Nope. 1.5) I really don't care if they strike or not because I want this show gone anyway. 2) I've been hearing a lot recently about actors/actors of color complaining about the treament on their respective shows. While some have merit, others I think are just jumping on the current climate bandwagon. I'm saying this as a poc. Hollywood has always been treacherous for black folks, and people have spoken out about it in the past. But some of the stuff i'm seeing has me thinking, well "I don't think that happened just because you're black". As for Heather, I swear it's those Malex stans that are making stuff tough for her. I mean I heard they say some really mean things about her and the Maria character. It's completely fine to have your fav characters, but to bash other characters or the actors that play them is going way too far. Oh and I'm also a Supernatural fan, but never got into the fandom. I did hear bits and pieces about how...cray cray...they can be. It's a shame how a few bad apples can taint the bunch
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I'm a person of color too, which is one of the reasons it pisses me off so much. This always happens though, I've heard many horror stories about the token Black person on a show getting harassed and racially attacked on shows. It recently came out that the girl that played Angela on Boy Meets World was being attacked by her some of her castmates (The people that played Corey, Topanga, and Eric but the Eric actor said he apologized to her then and now, and they are still okay with each other as opposed to the other two) and making ignorant jokes about her. Sadly this is nothing new, so I'm not surprised it's happening to Heather but at least on other shows, the actors stood up for their castmate and told psychotic fans to cut it out. The NM cast just left her on her own to desperately pander to the same M/A fans that are the main ones attacking her. It's pathetic and unprofessional. It's a complete 180 to how Michael and Maria are written on the show though, I just try to focus on that for now. To hell with the actors and the main show.
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Hey guys while I appreicate the discussion I was reminded by the head Moderators at Fan Forum about a few rules when it comes to posting to rememebr.

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Please remember that some of these posts are aimed at fans of the reboot and of a certain ship on that show which is not what the thread is supposed to be about.

It's fine to criticize the show on the thread but please ask the posters to keep the discussion on the thread about the show and not about a certain shipper thread or about the posters of Roswell New Mexico. Thank you.
So please lets not bash fans of certain ships or of another Board on Fandom.

We can still love and critize the reboot show, characters, storyline flaws and all. However please remember to not bash other fans of shippers who post here on Fan Forum and on other boards. Also lets remember not to bash the actors on the reboot. Please respect them. You can not agree with the character they play but lets not bash the actors and their personal lives.

Lets keep the Roswell board classy as we have always been doing for the past 20 years. There is a reason people are still coming back to post here.

Roswell taugh us about the power of love, frienship, and hope. So lets respect one another and have fun. Lets keep this a special and welcoming safe zone for all.

I am glad everyone feels welcome here. Lets keep it thay way. Like my former Co Mod Dreamer4ever and I started on the Board Guide so many years ago "Welcome to the ever-burgeoning I know An Alien Club" thread

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We feel this quote was very fitting to our board being we want this to be a place of respect and friendship. Regardless of where you come from or who you are at the Roswell Board we welcome everyone even if you are 3 feet tall and green.
I am glad all these years later our board is a welcoming one. Lets show other boards and poasters why.
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Well that was a severely underwhelming finale after a severely lacking and awful season.
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Yes indeed. It was awful. Nothing actually happened, no questions answered. 42 ish minutes of waste (except for Jason's bits of course)
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Ok so now that the entire season has aired and we've seen their plan, I have some thoughts. Major spoilers ahead!



-It's incredibly obvious that they don't know how to write for Maria. She was only involved in the plot to prop up other characters and propel THEIR stories forward. Her involvement with Michael was just so they can dip their toe in, say they did their canon story and have an unnecessary love triangle. Her involvement with Isobel was so that Isobel can learn more about HER mother and HER past. Yes, obviously Maria is related to Isobel and we got a tiny glimpse into Maria's family and who she is, but the point of the story was never to focus on Maria. She wasn't even important enough to be involved in the finale after her and Michael broke up. It's very telling that their only black main character was used as a plot device for the white characters. I wish I could believe that they'll do better next season, but I doubt it. They made promises about this season and never delivered. They simply don't value Maria as a character at all.

-I have the same complaints about Kyle this season too. They didn't know what to do with him so they either threw him in to help Liz or gave him a useless love story with a girlfriend we were supposed to care about and feel sorry for, but never really got to know. The two instances he was outside of the hospital and actually engaging with characters who weren't Liz (his scenes with Isobel at Planet 7 and his scene with Alex in the finale) he shined. He can be a genuinely good character when given the chance, but he didn't get that this season.

-Liz is straight up garbage. Her behavior is beyond a flawed character, she's legitimately awful and no amount of posturing from Carina or Jeanine will change that. What she's been doing is unethical and illegal and endangers her family and friends. And to use the "perfect" Latina excuse is not a good look. The references to Tuskeegee and Henrietta Lacks also don't make this show look good, it's actually kind of head scratching to reference these, have Liz do all of this, and then write her off as being strong willed and doing it for good. Yeah no.

-I appreciate what they were trying to do with Alex at the end and the song he sang, but it just didn't work for me. Mostly because I didn't like the song and found it a bit cringy. Perhaps if they used a more acoustic, stripped down version instead of the overly produced one, it would have worked better. It just didn't feel right.

-So that's it for Jesse Manes then? That was anti-climactic after 2 seasons. But then again, he was a very anti-climactic villain.

-That Mr. Jones/stowaway reveal. Oh man. If I had a dollar for the amount of times I read on other boards and sites that it would end up being a Max twin or his father and 100% played by Nathan...I'd have a good chunk of money set aside. Apparently the writers aren't as clever as they thought, since people started guessing that after the first '47 flashback. I mean, Max isn't related to Michael or Isobel and we've met both their mothers, some of the dialogue and scenes just made it obvious they were setting up that the firestarter/stowaway was involved with Max.

-It's officially confirmed that the '47 storyline was the only good and well written storyline of the season. It was interesting and engaging and I wanted more of it. Too bad it seems like it's completely done and we're moving on to '48 and focusing on beardMax now.

-Jenna, Charlie, Diego, Helena, Flint...all took up valuable time that should have gone to other characters and to flesh out some of the plot. They weren't needed.


But yeah, overall it was a giant mess of a season. It tried to do nothing at all at the beginning and then tried to do too much while not doing anything at all at the end. Unless Jason somehow comes back for season 3, I'm done. It's not a worthwhile show to me.

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