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Recent topic: How come Michael became King after Max died...continue on!

[Citrus and Vine]

Hi!

How come Michael became King after Max died

Michael didn’t become King after Max died. Michael is a back-up for the Seal, until Max can take back the Seal.

The emissary placed his hand next to Max’s head. A projection of the Seal from Max’s head proved that Max is the real king. Max, who is the true King, had the Seal in his brain, until he died healing Clayton and lost the Seal.

Michael incorrectly thought that he was king, when he saw Seal on his chest, after Max returned to Roswell. Max took the Seal back from Michael.

[Jasper1975]

Originally Posted by Citrus and Vine (View Post) Hi! Michael didn’t become King after Max died. Michael is a back-up for the Seal, until Max can take back the Seal. The emissary placed his hand next to Max’s head. A projection of the Seal from Max’s head proved that Max is the real king. Max, who is the true King, had the Seal in his brain, until he died healing Clayton and lost the Seal. Michael incorrectly thought that he was king, when he saw Seal on his chest, after Max returned to Roswell. Max took the Seal back from Michael.

Technically he was king. Max lost that role when he died. He was able to take it back in the end. But techincally Michael became King. But the power went to his head and Max had to take it back. Personally, I think if Michael had been able to handle it better Max may not have took it back. But because Max was so brutal in his reign, Max had to take it back. Max I think just wanted to be normal and while he was lost without the powers that he gotten used to. I think he would have liked to have just been normal and not a leader.

So Michael didn't incorrectly think he was King. He was king. Because he had the seal. Although I am sure there was no precedent for the fact Max came back to life.

But in the end, because how brutal Michael was being. Max took the seal back.

[Citrus and Vine]

Having a symbol, like a crown or scepter or seal, doesn’t make a person king. For example, if someone gets a King or Queen’s crown or scepter or seal, it wouldn’t make that person a king or queen, unless people acknowledged and accepted the person as king or queen.

Likewise, in the story, having the V-shaped Seal alone doesn’t make a person king.

Michael wasn’t king, even though he had the Seal for a while. Michael is a back-up for the Seal, until Max can have it again.

Max, who is King, had the Seal in his brain, as verified by the emissary. In contrast, the Seal appeared on Michael’s chest after Max returned, showing everyone that Michael had the Seal, but that it wasn’t in his brain, the way the Seal is in the actual King.

Michael didn’t tell Max or the others that he had the Seal on his chest.

Michael began behaving uncharacteristically very badly after Max returned to Roswell, so that Max had to take the Seal from Michael, so that the Seal would be where it was supposed to be. After Max took back the Seal from Michael, Michael returned to his normal self.

When Michael noticed the Seal on his chest, he thought that it meant that he was king, but he wasn’t. The Seal wasn’t in the right place on Michael for aliens or for the group to accept Michael as king. The real King of Antar has the Seal in the brain, as Max did.

[xmag]

Originally Posted by Citrus and Vine (View Post) Having a symbol, like a crown or scepter or seal, doesn’t make a person king. For example, if someone gets a King or Queen’s crown or scepter or seal, it wouldn’t make that person a king or queen, unless people acknowledged and accepted the person as king or queen. Likewise, in the story, having the V-shaped Seal alone doesn’t make a person king. Michael wasn’t king, even though he had the Seal for a while. Michael is a back-up for the Seal, until Max can have it again. Max, who is King, had the Seal in his brain, as verified by the emissary. In contrast, the Seal appeared on Michael’s chest after Max returned, showing everyone that Michael had the Seal, but that it wasn’t in his brain, the way the Seal is in the actual King. Michael didn’t tell Max or the others that he had the Seal on his chest. Michael began behaving uncharacteristically very badly after Max returned to Roswell, so that Max had to take the Seal from Michael, so that the Seal would be where it was supposed to be. After Max took back the Seal from Michael, Michael returned to his normal self. When Michael noticed the Seal on his chest, he thought that it meant that he was king, but he wasn’t. The Seal wasn’t in the right place on Michael for aliens or for the group to accept Michael as king. The real King of Antar has the Seal in the brain, as Max did.

Whether the seal was tattoed on Michael's wrist, chest or ankle, he had it. He got the healing power, Max didn't have it anymore. Being King meant having the seal and the healing power.

The way I see it, it was probably a back up plan. We don't know who decided on this plan, if it was Zan, or if it was already decided like that on Antar. The thing is, when a king dies, someone has to take his place, temporary in case the king's heir is too young, or permanently when there isn't an heir.

[Citrus and Vine]

Whether the seal was tattooed on Michael's wrist, chest or ankle, he had it. He got the healing power, Max didn't have it anymore. Being King meant having the seal and the healing power.

Michael had healing power, before Max died. Tess also had healing power. She healed Max’s face.

Michael healed River Dog’s ankle. Michael hadn’t been able to heal his own black eye 2 years before Max died, because he sometimes didn’t have control over his powers. Max hadn't seen Michael heal River Dog's ankle. Max only knew that Michael hadn't been able to heal his black eye. Max was watching Liz, when Tess healed his face. He didn't know that Tess healed him. Max noticed that Michael was able to heal his own hand, after he hurt it. He assumed that Michael's ability to heal was connected to the Seal, since he didn't know that Michael had healed River Dog, before he had the Seal.

After Max healed the children in the hospital, it took time for his powers to slowly return.

Max wasn’t able to heal Kyle’s hand, when he returned to Roswell after he died. Max had used up his healing power healing Clayton. Max used his his shield power while he was inside Clayton’s body to break Liz’s fall to save her. Max's powers transferred to Clayton's body, but the Seal didn't.

After his return to Roswell, Max had very weak force-field shield power left, because he had used up most of his shield power saving Liz. He had no healing power left, because he used it up healing Clayton.

After Max took back the Seal, he wasn’t able to heal the wound on Michael’s chest completely, because his powers still hadn’t fully returned.

Michael used his powers to bring back Isabel, while she was unconscious, after the doctor helped heal her. In contrast, Max healed Liz after she was shot, without help from a doctor.


From Who Died and Made You King?:

MARIA: -and he [Michael] had this, like, weird thing on his chest.
MAX: Like what?
MARIA: I don't know, it was like this weird V-thing right here...
MAX: Did it look like this?
[Max draws a formation of dots in a V shape]
MARIA: Yes, that's it.
MARIA: That's the Royal Seal of Antar. ...It's a mark I have inside me proving I'm the true king.

Max, not Michael, is the true King. The Seal inside Max, inside his head, verifies to people that Max is the real King. Michael is a back-up for the Seal, until Max can take back the Seal.

The Seal appeared on Michael’s chest after Max returned, so that Max would take the Seal from Michael, as the Seal is supposed to be inside Max.

[Jasper1975]

Originally Posted by Citrus and Vine (View Post) Michael had healing power, before Max died. Tess also had healing power. She healed Max’s face. Michael healed River Dog’s ankle. Michael hadn’t been able to heal his own black eye 2 years before Max died, because he sometimes didn’t have control over his powers. Max hadn't seen Michael heal River Dog's ankle. Max only knew that Michael hadn't been able to heal his black eye. Max was watching Liz, when Tess healed his face. He didn't know that Tess healed him. Max noticed that Michael was able to heal his own hand, after he hurt it. He assumed that Michael's ability to heal was connected to the Seal, since he didn't know that Michael had healed River Dog, before he had the Seal. After Max healed the children in the hospital, it took time for his powers to slowly return. Max wasn’t able to heal Kyle’s hand, when he returned to Roswell after he died. Max had used up his healing power healing Clayton. Max used his his shield power while he was inside Clayton’s body to break Liz’s fall to save her. Max's powers transferred to Clayton's body, but the Seal didn't. After his return to Roswell, Max had very weak force-field shield power left, because he had used up most of his shield power saving Liz. He had no healing power left, because he used it up healing Clayton. After Max took back the Seal, he wasn’t able to heal the wound on Michael’s chest completely, because his powers still hadn’t fully returned. Michael used his powers to bring back Isabel, while she was unconscious, after the doctor helped heal her. In contrast, Max healed Liz after she was shot, without help from a doctor. From Who Died and Made You King?: MARIA: -and he [Michael] had this, like, weird thing on his chest. MAX: Like what? MARIA: I don't know, it was like this weird V-thing right here... MAX: Did it look like this? [Max draws a formation of dots in a V shape] MARIA: Yes, that's it. MARIA: That's the Royal Seal of Antar. ...It's a mark I have inside me proving I'm the true king. Max, not Michael, is the true King. The Seal inside Max, inside his head, verifies to people that Max is the real King. Michael is a back-up for the Seal, until Max can take back the Seal. The Seal appeared on Michael’s chest after Max returned, so that Max would take the Seal from Michael, as the Seal is supposed to be inside Max.

There is no disputing. All aliens were able to heal. Only Max had the greater power to save from death. Michael was able to minor heal when his emotions weren't all haywire. Which is why he was able to heal River Dog. But only Max was able to heal Liz, Kyle, Jim and those kids. Once Michael got the seal, he was able to heal his hand.

No one is disputing that Max was King. But he died. And therefore, the fallback position activated and so Michael was therefore King. And Max showing up alive didn't stop it. It was only when Michael became so brutal and his decisions became so off the wall and people were being put at risk. Their secret was being put at risk that Max faught back and took back the power.

But because Michael had the power. He was King. Whether he was the intended King or not. He was King. Until Max took it back.

Just like if something happened to William if he took over as King of England. Harry would take over. And would be King. Now Roswell was different that Max came back alive and was able to take back the power.

I am not sure if Michael's power brought back Isabel but more the power of love, friendship and family that he, Isabel and Max had. If he could heal to the extent Max could; he would have done it sooner. Isabel just need to find the way back. I think she was hesitant because of Jesse and the truth, but Michael's friendship and love brought he back. It didn't have to do will the healing powers per se. And remember, the aliens rarely got sick or when they were knocked down they came back...just needed time. Michael's powers probably weren't needed. He just needed to convince her to come back.

And therefore was dealing with alot of emotions when Max came to life. Because he was dealing with his non death and almost losing Isabel. They were closest Michael had to family and to lose them would have been imaginable.

Max had a weak force field not because he had just saved Liz in Vermont. But because it was fading because it was part of his assigned powers due to the seal. He usually recovers quickly after using his powers and we're talking about days later when he discovered his powers were diminishing.

Healing Michael after the fight was different because it was so soon.

[Citrus and Vine]

Since there isn't currently a single General Episode Discussion Thread for all three seasons of Roswell on Fan Forum, and since questions about the Seal are being discussed on both the Season Two thread and the Season Three thread, I'm posting the same reply on both threads.

if something happened to William if he took over as King of England. Harry would take over. And would be King.

If William became King of England and had children, Harry might never become king.

In the story, aliens on planets beyond Earth have ruling families, which implies family succession.

Aliens in the story have ceremonies and certification by testing.

Larek attended Max’s father’s funeral and Max’s coronation. Max was tested and certified by the emissary in New York. The true monarch of Antar has the Seal in his brain. The emissary didn’t look at Max’s chest or test Max’s chest. In contrast, Michael had the Seal on his chest for a while, after Max returned to Roswell, showing that Michael is a designated temporary Seal-holder for Max, in case Max dies and lives again, as he did.


After Max died, Michael’s powers didn’t change, even when he had the Seal on his chest. The Seal didn’t give Michael the powers Max had. Michael didn’t get extraordinary healing powers or shield power, after Max died.

Max healed Liz after she died, without any help. Michael didn’t heal Isabel, who had been shot, the way Max healed Liz and Kyle, who were shot. The doctor helped Isabel heal and improve, before Michael used his powers and his voice and brought Isabel back to consciousness.

Max incorrectly thought that since he wasn’t able to heal Kyle’s hand and that since Michael had the Seal on his chest and had healed his own hand, that the Seal gave Michael healing power.

Max wasn’t there, when Michael healed River Dog’s ankle. Max mistakenly thought that since Michael hadn’t been able to heal his black eye that Michael couldn’t heal people, unless Max died and Michael had the Seal on his chest. Max didn’t realize that Tess healed his face, and he didn’t know that Michael had healed River Dog’s ankle years before Max died and lost the Seal.

Max thought that his shield power was weak, because he didn’t have the Seal. Max didn’t realize that it had taken time for his powers to slowly return, after he healed the children in the hospital, and that he was slowly recovering his powers, after healing Clayton, aging rapidly, dying and turning to dust and then being inside Clayton’s body, which died after falling from the attic.

The Seal caused Michael to behave so badly after Max returned, that everyone noticed the extreme change in Michael. The Seal belongs inside Max’s body. Michael is the designated temporary Seal-holder for Max, when Max dies, until Max can take back the Seal. Michael returned to his normal self, after Max took back the Seal from Michael.

Max fought Michael, after Michael attacked Jesse. Even though not all of Max’s powers had returned, he had regained enough of his powers to subdue Michael and take the Seal from him.

While Michael had the Seal, he didn’t have shield power.

Max used his powers to hurl glass shards into Michael’s eyes, which Michael didn’t stop in mid-air, the way Max stopped bullets in mid-air and the way Max stopped Liz’s mid-air fall. Michael didn’t have shield power to stop Max, the way Max had stopped Michael and Isabel from killing Brody. The Seal didn’t give Michael added powers, even though Max had thought it did, before he began fighting Michael. Max took the Seal from Michael. The Seal belongs inside Max, who is the true king.

Later, Max’s healing power improved enough for Max to heal Michael’s eyes, but not enough yet to heal Michael’s chest completely.




Antar and other planets have ruling families. Max, Isabel, Michael and Tess were known as the Royal Four, showing they were together as a group.

Before Michael could be king in succession, he would have to be next in line for succession. If Max dies permanently and doesn’t come back to life and doesn’t have any heirs with lineal Royal Antarian blood, then Isabel and her heirs, if any, as part of the Royal family, would be next in line for succession, before Michael or any other royal could be monarch by succession. Kivar tried to get Isabel, because she is Max’s sister and she and Max have the same lineal royal Antarian bloodline.

For a while, Michael, one of the Royal Four, had the Seal on his chest, not in his brain, showing that he wasn’t the current king and that he is a designated temporary Seal-holder for Max and that the Seal is meant for Max. Michael returned to his normal self, after Max took back the Seal.

[xmag]

Michael had healing power, before Max died. Tess also had healing power. She healed Max’s face.

As Jasper said, Michael only had weak healing powers. Michael himself said in Destiny, to Max "You heal people, I kill them". Michael knows very well that he CAN'T heal. Otherwise, he would have healed the kids with Max, in Phoenix, but he COULDN'T. And he knew it.

[KenL]

Some random thoughts:
Max was a king in exile..............One way of looking at the Royal Four is that they were in a sense a government in exile. The seal was probably created to identify which hybrid was the future king of Antar if the forces of the late Zan was able to defeat Kivar.

According to the Mom-a-gram Isabel was the older sibling, yet Vilandra was passed over so that Max could become king..........It would appear the Antar did not allow a woman to rule Antar.

Max had a son when the seal passed to Michael..........is it possible that his son could not receive the seal because he was too human? Or.....if Max had died is it possible that Michael was acting as a regent because his son was to young to possess the seal?

This sound like a season three topic.........so I will post it on season three.

[xmag]

Max had a son when the seal passed to Michael..........is it possible that his son could not receive the seal because he was too human? Or.....if Max had died is it possible that Michael was acting as a regent because his son was to young to possess the seal?

It's Khivar who said to Tess that the baby was too human. Maybe it was just an excuse. I mean, I never believed that KHivar wanted that baby to begin with. But you're right, it's a discussion for the season 3 thread.


About season 2, what do you think the Granolith really was? It was used as a spaceship in Departure, a time travel machine in TEOTW and it was described as a religious icon in MiTC. So, any idea?

[*Coccy*]

maybe it was a spaceship , a time travel machine and a religious icon

i've always thought that there was something more about the grantlith and was it was so important

[Citrus and Vine]

Aliens from other planets and the Skins, including Nicholas, knew what the Granilith was. Nicholas and the Copper Summit Skins wanted the Granilith, so they could leave Earth. The Skins didn't have a way to leave Earth. After Courtney destroyed the Skins' new husks, the Skins were as good as dead, because they didn't have a way to leave Earth.

Representatives from other planets at the Summit hadn't known that Kivar didn't have the Granilith, until Nicholas told them.

Isabel recognized the Granilith, a very large object, when she saw it. In contrast, Dupe-Lonnie thought the Granilith was some sort of religious object, like a holy grail, which is a small object, like a cup or chalice.

Nicholas didn't describe the size of the Granilth to the Dupes or tell the Dupes that the Granilith could transport them to another planet. He didn't trust them. He told Dupe-Lonnie that she couldn't leave Earth, unless he (Nicholas) got the Granilith.

In 2014, Max traveled back in time on the modified Granilith. In the current timeline, Tess, who was pregnant, went home to Antar on the Granilith.

According to the Mom-a-gram Isabel was the older sibling, yet Vilandra was passed over so that Max could become king..........It would appear the Antar did not allow a woman to rule Antar. Max had a son when the seal passed to Michael..........is it possible that his son could not receive the seal because he was too human? Or.....if Max had died is it possible that Michael was acting as a regent because his son was to young to possess the seal?

At Crash Down.com/episodes, there is a transcript of Destiny.

Max and Isabel's mother doesn't say that Isabel-Vilandra was older than Max-Zan. She doesn't say anything about their ages on Antar. Max-Zan may be older than Isabel-Vilandra.

On Earth, Max, Michael and Isabel came out of their pods looking like 6-year olds. Isabel was assigned an age on Earth by humans that made her seem older in age than Max.

Isabel, Michael and Max were in the same grade in school. Isabel earned enough credits to graduate a year early. She graduated earlier from high school than Max and the others.




The Seal identifies Max, the true king of Antar. Kivar rejected baby Zan, because he is completely human and can't receive the Seal, making him useless to Kivar. Kivar wanted to murder baby Zan, because he is Max and Tess' child, who could someday unite with others to overthrow Kivar.

Kivar tried to get Isabel, who is Max's sister. She or her children would be next in line of succession for the Seal, upon Max's death. Kivar didn't try to kill Max, when he controlled Denny Ridgley, because a royal, lineal heir with Antarian blood hadn't been born yet.

Michael is a designated temporary Seal holder. When Max returned to Roswell, the Seal appeared on Michael's chest, showing everyone where the Seal was. The real monarch of Antar has the Seal in the brain.

[xmag]

Isabel recognized the Granilith, a very large object, when she saw it. In contrast, Dupe-Lonnie thought the Granilith was some sort of religious object, like a holy grail, which is a small object, like a cup or chalice.

Wasn't there a leader, or someone else who said that it was a religious artefact?

Michael is a designated temporary Seal holder. When Max returned to Roswell, the Seal appeared on Michael's chest, showing everyone where the Seal was. The real monarch of Antar has the Seal in the brain.

Where was it said in the show that Michael was a temporary Seal holder?

[Citrus and Vine]

Wasn't there a leader, or someone else [other than Dupe-Lonnie] who said that it [the Granilith] was a religious artifact?

from Max in the City
[Scene: in New York, the Dupes talk to Max and Tess]
DUPE-RATH: Yeah, yeah. It's [the Granilth is] this stupid religious thing.
DUPE-LONNIE: The protector told us it's like the Holy Grail, some piece of junk people on our planet worship for some reason. You ever heard of it?


The Dupes thought that the Granilith was a religious object, like the Holy Grail, which is a small object, like a cup or chalice, in contrast to the Granilith, which is a very large object, which flew from Earth. Isabel recognized the Granilith.

Nicholas didn’t tell the Dupes that the Granilth was a very large object that could take them off Earth. He didn’t trust them.

Where was it said in the show that Michael was a temporary Seal holder?

Larek attended Max’s coronation. In contrast, Michael had no coronation on Earth or on Antar. No one in their group on Earth accepted Michael as king. The Seal appeared on Michael’s chest, after Max returned to Roswell, after dying and losing the Seal.

The Seal is inside the brain of the true monarch of Antar, as shown by the emissary, who tested Max in New York. The emissary didn’t look at Max’s chest or test Max’s chest. The emissary tested Max’s brain, which had the Seal. Michael only had the Seal temporarily, until Max, who had been crowned king and who usually had the Seal in his brain, took back the Seal from Michael, who had the Seal on his chest for a while, and who is a designated temporary Seal-holder.

After Max took back the Seal, which belonged to him, Michael returned to his normal self.




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