naturellebella

I guess I might as well go for #9, make it a sweep love the animations!
He's always doing those kinds of things for Liz because he loves her, because to him it's completely worth it.

#9 - 6

*Coccy*

will be back in order to reply to the discussion but for now it's time to post the winner!




some ideas for future survivors?
we can make hands, hugs, looks, quotes, canon songs, love scenes (as declaration of love)
the possibilities are endless and we have all of them with these two.

Titch22

The wedding kiss won. I'm so glad it was definetley one of my favrioutes of the show all together.

Jasper1975

So very true.

He didn't care if he had any chance at life if Liz wasn't around to live in it. He started it all by saving her in the PILOT. Liz upped the ante in saving his butt in New York with the vision. Then Max makes the ultimate sacrifice. And Liz saves him with a kiss.

They both had a capacity of doing the impossible for the other.

The inner Max in Clayton could tell that Liz was in utter danger. And could die if she fell from that height.

He was trying to buffer that... He wanted to give her more of a chance at survival. Even if meant he died and no last chance to come back...

That is true love.

Romeo and Juliet-esque.

That is why Max and Liz always captured me. Because you tell they deep down had a passion for each other. It might not always been easy... Or maybe they would have been better off in a different life, away from each other.

But they were truly in love. Bonded. It was so unique.

firewall

for the wedding kiss!

I still can't believe my other fav landed all the way down at sixth place Just proves how amazing all their kisses were.

So many other survivors to choose from. I think a quote survivor would be really fun. I vote for that one next. The hands one is also a cute idea. Like you said, Coccy, the possibilities are endless with them

*Coccy*

they have so many quotes


I was watching some screencaps and i found one about ch-changes from the scene where Liz was writing the letter for Max... have you ever noticed that on her desk she has a pic of her and Max? Not only she has a pic of them but it's the bigger version of one of the tiny pics from the second season , the ones that she always looked at


it's so cute <3 it's one of those small details that can give you a sense of real things ... you know... how it's natural for people to have some photos with their boyfriend/girlfriend somewhere in their room. (Max, even in the second season when they weren't together, had a pic of them in his wallet and another one in his room between his shirts)

I always loved those tiny pics.. the smiles especially his, it's so genuine. You can picture the little scene there.. the joke that is making them laugh. They're so natural. It's nice to have a glimpse even of the time that we didn't really see. A glimpse of the implied moments of them as a couple doing the things that couples do


i'm not ashamed to admit that one of the reasons of why i love so much his character is his ability to love like that.
There's so much to say.
and the weird/amazing thing is that my wish isn't to find someone who loves me like that (granted...)... more than that i'd love to be able to love like that too.




couldn't have said it better.
i just have to add that Max&Liz PMNS >> Romeo&Juliet
they really set the bar higher for forbidden lovers and epic relationships






you know you make me remember that technically by the time he used the shield Michael already got his powers as the new king... or not?
when Michael saved Isabel Max was already dead again.. was that casual that he saved Isabel only after Max was really dead?
Before dying Max was able to use the shield and it wasn't weak like the day after.
So either he was made stronger by the need to save Liz or the royal seal went to Michael only after Max died again
This could means that even if Max died twice the last time it was more definitive but then Liz brought him back.




i think that the new body was, technically, neither Max's originally one nor Clayton's because those got both destroyed. Two different ways. Max's body became dust. Clayton's one got destroyed more subtly when a new Max's body was created, in some ways, with his. When Clayton got transformed into Max i think that it's undeniable that his body wasn't there anymore.
It's like when you upgrade a software on your pc with another version that is totally different. The new version will use some files from the old one but in the end the old version will be deleted or more correctly "overwritten" by the new one

Max, in a way, was like a parasite there It wasn't under his control, he didn't it on purpose, but he basically used Clayton's body in order to clone himself, re-make his body. A new fresh body

Of course we're talking about magic here. Like wizards transforming them selves into into birds or other things.. it's not that we can logically explain it.

this makes me remember what happened in the books by Melinda Metz.
In those Max literally spread his molecules everywhere. At one point he didn't have a body anymore. Even in the books Liz saved him with her love, she basically embraced his molecules with hers trying to do what he did and he came back to her (i fell in love with the idea and that scene ) we can't explain it using logic but in the end M&L got their bodies again


they had to learn a lesson.. and they did it.
They also proved to be unbreakable their love was like a living being stronger than anything



of course he couldn't die for good but that scene is so terrible..
and to make it worse you have the confirmation of what you just watched when in the end you see Liz waking up because she felt his death.
you know, her saying it made it more real. Maybe even more than watching the scene when it really happened.



he wanted to go at the Northwestern with her, like he said in graduation
then the plans changed for the FBI's fault.
however i never understood if he wanted to go because he actually got accepted too or he just wanted to go there because she was there but he wouldn't go at the same college (because it didn't seem that he did apply for that one).




but what if Max was really dead?
Then Michael would really be the king like the antarians established.




LOL
but honestly Max always seemed the more "virgin" one to me, with or without new body
the poor guy must have taken tons of cold showers in the third season(?)... for Liz's fault she was such a teaser and he patiently awaited for her and never tried to force things between them even if the passion was obvious. In the make out scene from graduation (the "bright future for Max" one) he mesmerized and he was totally hanging on her lips

i think that their wedding night was supposed to be really spectacular especially since he was dreaming it since he was a kid

firewall

Good observation. Very cute. Thanks for the pics And, as you pointed out, Max keeps some pics of them around as well. Even though his are more hidden

I agree. It's like when we see Max return the gift that Liz had given him for Christmas the year before. It let's us imagine that moment when she first gave him the gift-- how cute that must've been.

But, on that note, did you ever wonder how Liz worked up the nerve to give Max a Christmas gift that said "Max & Liz 4Ever" when they weren't even together at that time? Unless, we are supposed to think that The Balance happened after Xmas as opposed to before it.... I guess that is entirely possible

QTPie41184

I'm really glad the wedding kiss won! It definitely deserved it. I mean, it had too many hats NOT to win! It was their first kiss as husband and wife AND the last kiss of the series! How could that NOT win.

Jasper1975

Max did have this major capacity ability to love. He was a interesting character. If the shooting hadn't happened. I wonder what his life would have been like. He was so quiet. It was Liz who opened so much in him. And visa versa.

I always took Michael's ability to bring back Isabel or will her to live being about their friendship. And the hidden fact of their destiny proclaimation that when on the surface and when they were aware of it; they could deny it. But underneath it was there. So Michael was able to bring her back with the memories of their childhood. But I guess if we are to assume that Michael had the powers that immediately. He could have used the healing power...

And then "Who Died and Made You King" only crystalized it for him.

I never though of the idea that he had the powers of the seal already when he saved Isabel. I just though it was to contrast the fact Michael did know Isabel. Jesse didn't. Isabel came back for Michael. And then had to face the fallout of what her secret did to her marriage...

I guess I always though that Max took over Clayton's body. His soul became the dominant part but basically he was in Clayton's body. He just was strong enough to take over completely. Especially once Clayton was basically killed off in the fall.

It was so heart-breaking to see Liz wake up from that tipsy dead sleep to the knowledge. Their bond was that tight. That she knew instantanously when it happened. It was very real.

And then when we see her wondering the campus, distraught. Absolutely certain in her knowledge. Like she had been knifed in the stomach. But waiting for Maria to confirm it. Their bond had been so intense. I don't think Liz knew how intense until that moment. And then the way she reacted.

It was a complex, complicated arc.

He would have gone to Northwestern with Liz. What he would have done when he got there is another question. They never really addressed the kids ambitions except for Liz. We knew Maria's dream of singing didn't pan out. So what was she going to do post graduation. Stay and work at the Crashdown? Sign up at New Mexico U. Isabel taking classes and was married. Kyle was finding himself taking care of his family by working as a mechanic. So I assume college was out. Michael didn't official graduate.

Max was so in and out the final season. He was catching up the second half. He graduated. But there is no clue what his future ambition was... Was he planning on school. Or couldn't he no longer afford it. Did the Evans cut of his college fund when he moved out?

And what did that mean?

So I assume if he and Liz went to Northwestern. Max might have signed up for classes. But he might have worked.

A scary though. I love the guy. But Michael was not a good leader. I wonder if Isabel would have raised up to question Michael's leadership...

I don't think they intended us to analyze that gift so much LOL. Yes, technically they weren't together the first Christmas for Liz to be able to give Max a gift with that engraving. But you never know with those two... But it was surprising to see him return it. Wish we had seen her give it to him.

*Coccy*

it's cute that their very first kiss ever and their last kiss won the survivor <3

i guess that he liked having pics of her. Typical In the third season too Liz put one in her care package (Control) with all the things she knew he would like



that was a mystery. In a roswell xmas carol Michael told Isabel that he didn't give a gift to Maria for their first xmas as a couple the year earlier. Then we saw Liz's gift for Max...We know that both couples were together at the same time in the first season so basically they were implying that the year before the couples where together at xmas
Heat wave happened in December... so a xmas was there definitely. So we either have to assume that they were together then (so the balance happened after xmas) or we have to assume that the first time Tess and Nacedo showed up M&L were together since more months than what we thought. And it could be possible because in tv-shows you won't watch all the real time of the story but only the important moments (episodes). This means that one episode can talk about something happened in march and then the episode after it can talk about something happened in august. Unless it's obvious that the episodes are an arc and they're talking about days (example: end of second season with Alex's death. In the third one changes-panacea-chant down babylon was an arc too).

anyway that gift is a bit... not original
never write the word "forever" on a gift it's unlucky. However i bet that he appreciated it a lot just because she was the one giving it.
it was a sad scene when he returned it.
although he didn't return the photo of her that he kept between his shirts where only him could see it (but Rath and Lonnie found it ) nor the other one in the wallet

now that i think about it we never saw their xmas gifts even in samuel rising.
i hope that Max didn't give her a pen with the phrase "Max & Liz 4Ever"
anyway it seemed that in both the xmas episodes the gifts were irrelevant. The real gift was being together, you don't miss the gifts part.
I remember that Katims commented the "i believe in you scene" saying that it was his gift to her (the phrase, the feeling, how he eventually went there) and i totally agree.



he said it once. That day his life really began. And notice, that's exactly what Liz said too in the pilot. And i think that it's so true and it's the key of their relationship



i think that it was both things . It was the first hint of Michael getting Max's powers but it was very subtle.




exactly.
You watch this scene where Max not only is suddenly old but he dies and turns into dust and then fire (terrible terrible scene. i felt for Valenti too there) it's so much you don't quite believe it. You think that it's a joke, an illusion, that it can't be how it seems
and then right after it you suddenly get this scene where Liz wakes up and she felt it and she says it. He's really dead. Because if he were alive she wouldn't feel whatever she felt in that moment. She wouldn't feel the loss.


I often wondered about what she exactly felt. I bet that even if the writers would've tried to explain it.. it wasn't something that you could really rationalize using descriptions.
I believe that she felt the loss, like a missing piece of herself. I think that in that specific moment she also acknowledged that he was, in a way, a part of her. before that i think that she didn't really realize how powerful their bond was because *it* was naturally there like if it were always there.
and she's the human. The changed human yes but still human. If she felt it like that it figures what Max would've felt if he was the one experiencing it, if she was the one dead.



believable. it's possible that these were his plans

Dreamer 4 Ever

That is totally adorable and very fitting

*Coccy*

fitting indeed

someone should make a Dreamer video with The Lightning Strike by Snow Patrol (the song i'm listening to over and over )
it's so haunting and beautiful

Now it's found us
Like I have found you
I don't want to run
Just overwhelm me

I want to see you
As you are now
Every single day
That I am living


speaking about music videos i'm trying to understand how sony vegas works but the real problem is that on youtube they block roswell videos as soon as they're uploaded.

Honey-Girl

My heart glows while wachting the first episode

*Coccy*

the pilot is always amazing
i think that it's the best episode

the reversed connection *______________*
i swear when i hear "fear" i feel the shivers up to my spine just remembering the scenes. *perfection*

Eta: i added more quotes to the intro and there's one by Jason and we should use as a title


Q: Your character's a virgin, right?
A: "Oh yeah. The first time he's ever kissed somebody was when he kissed Liz
and they had such an intense connection. I can't imagine what would happen if they ever had sex!"
- Jason Behr; Behring It All, teenmovieline.com; Star, October 18, 2000

that's what i'm saying too since.. ages LOL

and i forgot that Liz was Max's first kiss!
because.. really for a first kiss it was so passionate and perfect.

firewall

From Jason's lips to God's ears! We all have had to endlessly wonder on this. I think it's safe to say that it was transcendent

And, yes, it is very sweet that Liz was Max's first kiss. He certainly looked like he know what he was doing, though