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Old 05-27-2009, 04:04 PM
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Max and Liz won the second place at lovetripper.com in Romance Hall of Fame top 10 Sci-Fi TV Couples Category!

Just as one touch of the hero's healing hand left its imprint on the show's heroine, the cosmic connection between a girl and her celestial soul mate has left an impression on the hearts of devoted Dreamers which, years after Roswell's final episode, has yet to fade away.

Over the course of three seasons, fans followed the love story of Max Evans (portrayed by actor Jason Behr), an alien hybrid from the famed Roswell incident who defies his stars to be with Liz Parker (played by actress Shiri Appleby), and in so doing this modern Romeo and Juliet create their own destiny.
That's wonderful! I'm so giddy to see Dreamers still loving Max and Liz after all these years. It makes me proud to be a Dreamer!


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i think that they made a mistake when they changed their back story/origins and transformed it into a thing about kings, princesses etc etc-
In the original story it's so much more believable and simple. The royal four thing was so damn stupid and cliché
not to mention that it never made sense and it was so contradictory that it became pathetic and i think that it only ruined the show.
It might have been interesting if the end results didn't turn Roswell into a soap opera with aliens and a baby. It's funny, but sad that Max had to go through all that crap to end up giving up the throne and living on Earth anyway.


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in the original story i love that Max&Co were simply the children of normal "antarians" who died trying to save them
the whole thing about their origins seems way more intimate, more real. Less cold like in the television series where Max&Co were basically engineered and they were clones.
At one point i remember that Max got the chance to sense the presence of his original parents, it was sweet even if it lasted for a very small moment. Also Michael for example had a brother and he met him.
I would have preferred TPTB taking the book route for the aliens origins. At least it would have been more believable without all the reincarnated kings, queens, and countrymen drama.


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good observation.
it's one of the reason of why i roll my eyes at the royal four storyline. Because it was useless. Max needed to be a king.. ok but why? the lack of concreteness and real believable reasons was so obvious.
also the whole thing about the royal four saving antar was so lame.
they had no useful informations, the destiny book got translated by a human because they weren't able to understand that language, they had no allies here in earth, they had only one spaceship, the granolith, that they couldn't use twice. Their protectors were enemies and sucked bit time.
I really don't understand how four teenagers with no acknowledge and no allies could have saved a whole planet and kill Kivar&Co. come on!
Not to mention that they were actually 3 people not four if you consider that Tess was an enemy too and Kivar&Co were her allies
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also the funny thing is that no one ever asked for Max&Co help. i'm talking about the antarians. We know that they were able to contact them if they wanted (think about Kivar and Brody) but it never happened. No one, in 3 years, ever went to Max in order to tell him "we want you back King". no one. it's very telling.
honestly, it seems to me that the antarians didn't give a single damn about Max&Co.
even in the third season Tess had to return here in order to save herself and her son. I understand that she was a betrayer but the baby was innocent and he was Max's baby too. Still, no one of the supposed "supporters" of the royal four tried to save him from Kivar. If they had tried you can bet that Tess wouldn't have returned into a planet she hated with passion especially when she knew that Max&Co hated her.

from what we know the antarians are pretty fine with Kivar as the king. actions speak louder than words and legends
So true! I believe Max made the right decision at the end to live his life on Earth the way he wanted to. If by some chance ( I highly doubt it) Antar needs saving one day, maybe someone trustworthy will show up and deliver something concrete and helpful to Max.
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:37 AM
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It might have been interesting if the end results didn't turn Roswell into a soap opera with aliens and a baby. It's funny, but sad that Max had to go through all that crap to end up giving up the throne and living on Earth anyway.
Babies always ruin a good sci-fi show, lol. Max's storyline in S3 was all about finding his son and it put such a strain on his relationship with Liz. It would've been nice to see them actually just start anew and be happy rather than it happening at the end of the series.
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I found this description about soulmates that is so them

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That's wonderful! I'm so giddy to see Dreamers still loving Max and Liz after all these years. It makes me proud to be a Dreamer!
me too

but really Max&Liz are the most romantic couple of television
they're so cute and intense and they had to fight so much in order to stay together

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"It's a modern show, but they have an on-screen style and presence that remind me of classic films."

so true.

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I would have preferred TPTB taking the book route for the aliens origins. At least it would have been more believable without all the reincarnated kings, queens, and countrymen drama.
the funny thing is that i don't even think that Katims&Co actually liked the royal four storyline.
It seems to me that their original idea was totally different.. but then the WB loved shows like smallwille and buffy so no wonder why they appreciated more superheroes than metaphors and real teen drama.



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So true! I believe Max made the right decision at the end to live his life on Earth the way he wanted to. If by some chance ( I highly doubt it) Antar needs saving one day, maybe someone trustworthy will show up and deliver something concrete and helpful to Max.
i love the scene when he finally said it. it was about time!
He always felt like that, he was sick of being the useless king when the only thing that mattered was their life not legends about a planet they didn't care about. a planet with people who didn't care about them either.

Max can always be a king if it's really needed (and i mean, REALLY. Not legends or just words. Something concrete)
In the future he could also be a link between antar and earth, if it's needed.
But this have nothing to do with his wife (even if i have to say that if a wife is really needed then Liz is perfect. She's his sane voice, she always gave him good advices and saved his life more than once) It would be funny if he will have a hybrid child with Liz (in the season four books their son got his healing power, for example) anyway we can say that even Kal supported his relationship with Liz remember the advice?
but really... no one cared about his romantic life. and if they really wanted to control it.. then screw them!


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Babies always ruin a good sci-fi show, lol. Max's storyline in S3 was all about finding his son and it put such a strain on his relationship with Liz. It would've been nice to see them actually just start anew and be happy rather than it happening at the end of the series.
personally i didn't mind Max trying to find his son (he was the father, mommy was evil but the baby was innocent and needed his help) .. also it lasted.. how many episodes? if we want to be honest he really searched him only in one episode (control) but then he realized the mistake he was almost doing when he wasn't using his brain and he basically stopped to search because the price to pay was too high (plain and simple: he couldn't lose Liz. When he realized that he did almost lose her it destroyed him. he had to face that it was a research that could give him no results since he had nothing really useful to use. this doesn't mean that he didn't love the baby.. but he couldn't lose everything for nothing and he didn't want to lose Liz so he got the lesson and never made the same mistake again)
i love that Liz wanted to help him and supported him. It was mature, i can't see another woman doing the same thing in the same situation. I love that she understood him and she understood that he needed her in that moment even if that meant that she was pushing some of her feelings aside (for a while). But the season was balanced for them because at the beginning of the season she was the one helping him then when she was the one who needed help he was there for her and well.. he did everything for her, he even died trying to protect her.

of course the writers could have avoided the baby's storyline because it was sooo soap opera and it will always hurt Max (and Liz because she loves him and she doesn't want him to suffer). he, they, didn't need that too. Their life was already complex and they had already experienced so many bad things.
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Old 05-28-2009, 09:16 PM
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There's so much awesome in that one article, it's really amazing to see that Max and Liz are still on list to this very day. I especially like
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The chemistry between the two is untouched by any other couple.
more truth they really are amazing together and the kind of love they have with each other is just really hard to find. Shiri and Jason had some amazing chemistry, that is for sure.

Who was #1 btw?
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Old 05-29-2009, 12:18 AM
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personally i didn't mind Max trying to find his son (he was the father, mommy was evil but the baby was innocent and needed his help) .. also it lasted.. how many episodes? if we want to be honest he really searched him only in one episode (control) but then he realized the mistake he was almost doing when he wasn't using his brain and he basically stopped to search because the price to pay was too high (plain and simple: he couldn't lose Liz. When he realized that he did almost lose her it destroyed him. he had to face that it was a research that could give him no results since he had nothing really useful to use. this doesn't mean that he didn't love the baby.. but he couldn't lose everything for nothing and he didn't want to lose Liz so he got the lesson and never made the same mistake again)
i love that Liz wanted to help him and supported him. It was mature, i can't see another woman doing the same thing in the same situation. I love that she understood him and she understood that he needed her in that moment even if that meant that she was pushing some of her feelings aside (for a while). But the season was balanced for them because at the beginning of the season she was the one helping him then when she was the one who needed help he was there for her and well.. he did everything for her, he even died trying to protect her.

of course the writers could have avoided the baby's storyline because it was sooo soap opera and it will always hurt Max (and Liz because she loves him and she doesn't want him to suffer). he, they, didn't need that too. Their life was already complex and they had already experienced so many bad things.
I agree. I'm not saying I disapproved with Max wanting to find his son. Not at all. But he was obsessed with it. And that kinda hurt him and Liz.
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There's so much awesome in that one article, it's really amazing to see that Max and Liz are still on list to this very day. I especially like
it was a surprise to see 2 couples from roswell in the top ten and it's great that M&L won the second place

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more truth they really are amazing together and the kind of love they have with each other is just really hard to find. Shiri and Jason had some amazing chemistry, that is for sure.
really, their chemistry is amazing they seemed so real


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they didn't post it yet.
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I agree. I'm not saying I disapproved with Max wanting to find his son. Not at all. But he was obsessed with it. And that kinda hurt him and Liz.
the thing is... Max always felt responsible about everything and he always felt guilty for many reasons. First of all he always felt guilty toward Liz because from his POV he ruined her life and put her in danger and he didn't want her to be in danger for his fault, obviously.
It wasn't a good moment for him because.. lets see: he not only slept with a woman he didn't love and considered it the worst mistake of his life; that woman was also a betrayer who almost sent him and Isabel to death and she was the one who killed Alex. So he discovered that while he was having the argument with Liz she not only was right about everything and he was wrong but he was so 'stupid' because he had the killer with him, he slept with her and he didn't realize the truth. Then the baby, his son, was in danger and he felt guilty about it too especially since "mommy" wanted to deliver him to their enemy
he needed to find him and save him.. but the problem is that he had nothing concrete in order to do it.
his idea was to go there, take the baby and then come back.
But at one point he had to face the truth: he couldn't do it. And it wasn't really his fault. He couldn't know that the plan made by the antarians who created them sucked so much that they had no allies in earth, no informations and only one spaceship that they could use only one time.


some could say that he could have used the granolith and go with Tess even if she was the enemy but Max didn't go and i think that he didn't for many reasons. Ultimately he made the right choice IMO. First of all he never wanted to go there and leave his home so when he got the occasion he got rid of her because he had no duty toward her anymore. He was, in a way, free. It was a human reaction and he obviously thought about what he wanted too and he didn't want to go he wanted to stay here with the people he loved and the woman he loved. He got the chance the change the things he wished he could have changed in the previous scene when he cried. It was obvious that he didn't want to go just like Isabel and Michael. They were all forced.
But i also think that Max chose the safer choice using logic. He knew about the deal with Kivar and if he had died, he couldn't have helped the baby anyway. I think that he thought that there was another way to go on antar and come back here without risking too much.. but then like i said he had to face the truth and he discovered that he really had no way. this made his guilty even more big even if, again, it wasn't his fault.

anyway if we think about it Max never had it easy. 3 years and all hard for many reasons. The only times he was really happy were the times he was with Liz.
at least in the end he, they, got their happy end and he finally found peace.
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Truly their chemistry is so amazing that I just assumed that they would end up together IRL actually.

I'm glad both couples made the list. Michael and Maria are really great too! My two favorite couples of Roswell are on the list and it's been such a long time, it really shows that the fans are super dedicated and they'll never forget the passion and love these two couples had.

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they didn't post it yet.
i bet that it's Buffy and Angel
EEEE!! I hope so b\c I was wondering how Buffy and Spike made it on the romantic couples list and not Buffy and Angel. I was like . Besides, they're my second favorite couple of all time so they have to be there.
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Buffy and Angel over Max/Liz? That would be such crap.
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I was making my current icon and i tried to make a bigger version of it too because i love this pic (even if it's so damn dark. the pics from this scene are impossible to be used. I had to make it look like a painting)


that scene is amazing. they kissed all over their faces. he kissed her temple and she then did the same thing.
This particular pic is so sweet and intense. I love that for once it's a pic with the woman kissing his temple, she's the one protecting and cuddling him
the expression of his face, the hands.
it's desperate love. He needs her.

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Buffy and Angel over Max/Liz? That would be such crap.
honestly i don't know them too much. I never was a fan of Buffy especially the last seasons. I do prefer Buffy and Angel over Buffy and Spike because i just can't like couples where the love isn't reciprocal.. and she always loved Angel.
better A&B than another couple, anyway because B&A always wins polls.
i hope that the first one isn't Bill and Sukie from true blood because no offense for the fans but that couple is nothing to take too seriously the show is funny and ridiculous in many ways.

anyway if i have to choose i obviously choose Max and Liz with no doubt.
I also think that they're the best because they're like the only one couple that the writers didn't really ruin. I mean, the triangle between A&B and B&S was real, the same happened with other main couples. and when triangles are really developed the end is always kinda unsatisfying no matter if your couple "wins"
i don't know if what i said makes sense
But really if you think about it M&L are one of the few couples not really ruined by the writers with the triangles. Surely the whole tex storyline wasn't needed but it lasted only one episode and it was always clear beyond limits that Max loved Liz and he wanted her but he just thought that she didn't want him back. It was always obvious that Max and Liz loved and wanted each other only. The other people were only very temporarily rebounds and when they were with them you could clearly see that their hearts weren't into the " new relationship". Just look at M&T or S&L kisses. The difference between those and the dreamer ones is immense. Only one blind and delusional won't notice it.
and i mean, i've read comments by non-dreamers people who said the same thing. It always was Max and Liz, no matter what.

so we can't say that their triangle was real for example because a real triangle is the one where the person in the middle (example Max) is really torn between two people. But Max never was like that. Max knew who he wanted and who he loved and nothing could change it. Nothing changed it. But since he couldn't have the one he loved he was on rebound and when he did it? a YEAR after his break up with Liz and only when he was into a bad state

the "triangle" didn't divide M&L it only made them stronger. Also they never were perfect people but it's not that they broke up because they really wanted it or because they weren't sure about their feelings for each other. It always happened for things that weren't really under their control.



when i think about it i think that we dreamers are lucky especially compared to other tv-shows and couples. again the whole tex thing and the baby storyline wasn't needed but it didn't really ruin them we got another season where they won against what had happened to them, we have many amazing moments between them. we have them finally happy and we have a perfect ending with them married and hopeful
other fans aren't so lucky.
i also think that 3 is the perfect number for a show. Even if i wanted more seasons i also think that too many seasons always ruin a show and its relationships. it's always like that.



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Truly their chemistry is so amazing that I just assumed that they would end up together IRL actually.
they're a mystery we will never know if something happened between them.
when you read some interviews and you watch some behinds it seems that there was something there.. but then Jason dated Katherine no?
If we want to speculate sometimes i think that J&S were one of those actors who didn't want to get serious in RL because they didn't want to ruin their characters if things between them didn't go so well. So they remained just friends. this is just a feeling. my personal opinion. then i obviously don't know what really happened.


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i love the pics with the baby Jason was so sweet with him
i watched the fan video of that behind and it seemed to me that he was trying to cuddle him in order to get the baby accustomed to him
if i'm not wrong they were 3 babies (little angels )



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I'm glad both couples made the list. Michael and Maria are really great too! My two favorite couples of Roswell are on the list and it's been such a long time, it really shows that the fans are super dedicated and they'll never forget the passion and love these two couples had.
agree. it's great !
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That is so Max and Liz.


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Max can always be a king if it's really needed (and i mean, REALLY. Not legends or just words. Something concrete)
In the future he could also be a link between antar and earth, if it's needed.
But this have nothing to do with his wife (even if i have to say that if a wife is really needed then Liz is perfect. She's his sane voice, she always gave him good advices and saved his life more than once) It would be funny if he will have a hybrid child with Liz (in the season four books their son got his healing power, for example) anyway we can say that even Kal supported his relationship with Liz remember the advice?
but really... no one cared about his romantic life. and if they really wanted to control it.. then screw them!
I believe making it all about who Max was supposed to love and be with instead of him learning and saving planets was the big downfall. Then again, there was no trustworthy friend or ally that could help Max without trying to get ahead themselves anyway. Max could be a king and love and marry who he wanted, I never saw that as a requirement to save Antar or Earth except in Nasedo and Tess's mind. I noticed Kal's response after Max was telling him about saving his son. Very telling indeed.

Awww, just the thought of Max and Liz having kids warms my heart. And a son with healing powers like his father is very special.


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personally i didn't mind Max trying to find his son (he was the father, mommy was evil but the baby was innocent and needed his help) .. also it lasted.. how many episodes? if we want to be honest he really searched him only in one episode (control) but then he realized the mistake he was almost doing when he wasn't using his brain and he basically stopped to search because the price to pay was too high (plain and simple: he couldn't lose Liz. When he realized that he did almost lose her it destroyed him. he had to face that it was a research that could give him no results since he had nothing really useful to use. this doesn't mean that he didn't love the baby.. but he couldn't lose everything for nothing and he didn't want to lose Liz so he got the lesson and never made the same mistake again)
Max was honorable and would do everything in his power to help and save his son, even if he really didn't have the help that he needed. Max was a teenaged father trying to do the right thing, and he learned a lot of hard lessons along the way. There was a strain on his relationships with Liz and his family, but Max realized he was making mistakes and made up for them the best way that he could.

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i love that Liz wanted to help him and supported him. It was mature, i can't see another woman doing the same thing in the same situation. I love that she understood him and she understood that he needed her in that moment even if that meant that she was pushing some of her feelings aside (for a while). But the season was balanced for them because at the beginning of the season she was the one helping him then when she was the one who needed help he was there for her and well.. he did everything for her, he even died trying to protect her.
Liz was mature in helping Max find his son by an enemy who killed her best friend. There are not many girls/women who would stand by a guy trying to find his son made with another girl. Liz also knew that her lying to Max and never telling him about FMax until after he slept with the enemy made her feel guilty too. Liz never trusted Tess, but she trusted a future version of the guy that she loved that backfired on her. Every time I think about TEOTW and how Max and Liz being in love and together was supposed to destroy the world, but Max and Tess being together was supposed to save it - I literally cringe. Of all the hogwash and crap that Max and Liz had to go through only to end up together anyway, I wish TPTB would have chosen another route.

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of course the writers could have avoided the baby's storyline because it was sooo soap opera and it will always hurt Max (and Liz because she loves him and she doesn't want him to suffer). he, they, didn't need that too. Their life was already complex and they had already experienced so many bad things.
I so agree with you!


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anyway if we think about it Max never had it easy. 3 years and all hard for many reasons. The only times he was really happy were the times he was with Liz.
at least in the end he, they, got their happy end and he finally found peace.
And it was well deserved too!


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I was making my current icon and i tried to make a bigger version of it too because i love this pic (even if it's so damn dark. the pics from this scene are impossible to be used. I had to make it look like a painting)


that scene is amazing. they kissed all over their faces. he kissed her temple and she then did the same thing.
This particular pic is so sweet and intense. I love that for once it's a pic with the woman kissing his temple, she's the one protecting and cuddling him
the expression of his face, the hands.
it's desperate love. He needs her.
That scene is amazing! I love your icon and the arts Coccy!


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i hope that the first one isn't Bill and Sukie from true blood because no offense for the fans but that couple is nothing to take too seriously the show is funny and ridiculous in many ways.
I watch True Blood and it is funny. While I like Bill and Sookie, my favorite characters are Lafayette, Tara, and Sam.


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anyway if i have to choose i obviously choose Max and Liz with no doubt.
I also think that they're the best because they're like the only one couple that the writers didn't really ruin. I mean, the triangle between A&B and B&S was real, the same happened with other main couples. and when triangles are really developed the end is always kinda unsatisfying no matter if your couple "wins"
i don't know if what i said makes sense
But really if you think about it M&L are one of the few couples not really ruined by the writers with the triangles. Surely the whole tex storyline wasn't needed but it lasted only one episode and it was always clear beyond limits that Max loved Liz and he wanted her but he just thought that she didn't want him back. It was always obvious that Max and Liz loved and wanted each other only. The other people were only very temporarily rebounds and when they were with them you could clearly see that their hearts weren't into the " new relationship". Just look at M&T or S&L kisses. The difference between those and the dreamer ones is immense. Only one blind and delusional won't notice it.
and i mean, i've read comments by non-dreamers people who said the same thing. It always was Max and Liz, no matter what.

so we can't say that their triangle was real for example because a real triangle is the one where the person in the middle (example Max) is really torn between two people. But Max never was like that. Max knew who he wanted and who he loved and nothing could change it. Nothing changed it. But since he couldn't have the one he loved he was on rebound and when he did it? a YEAR after his break up with Liz and only when he was into a bad state

the "triangle" didn't divide M&L it only made them stronger. Also they never were perfect people but it's not that they broke up because they really wanted it or because they weren't sure about their feelings for each other. It always happened for things that weren't really under their control.
So true! You're right about "triangles," and I never saw Max torn between Liz and Tess. Liz left Max, and then continually lied to him and pushed him towards his 'destiny.' By the time Departure rolled around, Max had already knocked Tess up and wished things could have been different, but was honorable in his duty. Well...that was until Tess's true colors came out, and Max had no choice but to stay on Earth. Max was stuck on Earth, but he still didn't have to pursue Liz. Max wanted to be with Liz because he loved her and she loved him. TPTB should have shown Max and Liz having a good and long talk about FMax and the Tess mess before showing them dating again. But I believe they tried to clean up a mess and crap that shouldn't have been done in the first place.


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when i think about it i think that we dreamers are lucky especially compared to other tv-shows and couples. again the whole tex thing and the baby storyline wasn't needed but it didn't really ruin them we got another season where they won against what had happened to them, we have many amazing moments between them. we have them finally happy and we have a perfect ending with them married and hopeful
other fans aren't so lucky.
Dreamers were lucky, and even though Max and Liz went through unnecessary circumstances because they loved each other, their ending was well deserved!


I love the BTS pics of Jason and Shiri!
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That is so Max and Liz.
everytime i read a description of what soulmates are M&L are the only ones that are really like soulmates are pictured


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I believe making it all about who Max was supposed to love and be with instead of him learning and saving planets was the big downfall.
totally.
it was simply ridiculous and a very pathetic way in order to start a new relationship


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Then again, there was no trustworthy friend or ally that could help Max without trying to get ahead themselves anyway.
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Max could be a king and love and marry who he wanted, I never saw that as a requirement to save Antar or Earth except in Nasedo and Tess's mind. I noticed Kal's response after Max was telling him about saving his son. Very telling indeed.
yep. and casually Nacedo and Tess had a deal with Kivar where a son from Max was needed
no wonder why in the second season destiny "casually" and suddenly started to be only about Max and not Michael and Isabel too like it was said at the beginning.
Both Nacedo and Tess didn't really care about Michael and Isabel, they just needed Max.

Kal's response is very telling indeed just like the cut scene when he told Max
"you idiot you slept with the enemy" that later, in the aired episode, was still quoted by Max when he said "you were right i slept with the enemy"



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Awww, just the thought of Max and Liz having kids warms my heart. And a son with healing powers like his father is very special.
it's very special indeed
in the books i remember that M&L saw the little boy healing a small injury on his little sister <3



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Max was honorable and would do everything in his power to help and save his son, even if he really didn't have the help that he needed. Max was a teenaged father trying to do the right thing, and he learned a lot of hard lessons along the way. There was a strain on his relationships with Liz and his family, but Max realized he was making mistakes and made up for them the best way that he could.
agree.

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Liz was mature in helping Max find his son by an enemy who killed her best friend. There are not many girls/women who would stand by a guy trying to find his son made with another girl.
really. I have to say that in her place Tess would have killed the baby it figures if she would have helped Max. that's sci.fi




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Liz also knew that her lying to Max and never telling him about FMax until after he slept with the enemy made her feel guilty too.
exactly. she knew that what had happened wasn't his fault only
they both took their own responsibilities and "forgave" each other


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Liz never trusted Tess, but she trusted a future version of the guy that she loved that backfired on her. Every time I think about TEOTW and how Max and Liz being in love and together was supposed to destroy the world, but Max and Tess being together was supposed to save it - I literally cringe. Of all the hogwash and crap that Max and Liz had to go through only to end up together anyway, I wish TPTB would have chosen another route.
when you have an amazing couple like M&L with a great build up and a guy who is crazy in love with his girl how can you put him with another random girl who is a stranger for him? you have no way.
that's where the stupid storyline was created. M&T were always based on forced things and choices. They were never based on genuine love and free will. they were forced beyond limits, i can't think about another fictional couple so forced like them. Max HAD to be with her. His feelings were TOTALLY irrelevant and unimportant both for Tess and the people who love her and them together. HE MUST BE with her. period. No matter if there was no reason.

TEOTW only made it even worse and cheapened everything about M&T even more than before. A couple can't be based on the sacrifice of the happiness of the two people who really love each other. Also what kind of relationship can be the one when you know without a doubt that he's with her just because he can't be with the one he really loves? Just because he doesn't know the whole truth.
Because if Max had know the truth about Liz things would have been totally different even before departure. And even when he didn't know the truth and he was free to date who he wanted Tess didn't get a chance for the whole year. She had to take advantage of the worst moment of his life and even then it was obvious that he didn't really want to be with her and it was a mistake for him, something he regretted. (and he even said it)

They had to make Liz lie to him in order to separate them but even then Max never stopped to love Liz. he didn't know the truth, he thought that Liz didn't love him anymore. He was even leaving the planet with another woman, still he never stopped to love only her.
so the only good thing about TEOTW is how it proved that even if you try to change the future you can't change Max's feelings for her and their love.
In the end their love always prevailed. They totally belong together.
With them there's no "maybe" or "if" because we even got the alternatives and possibilities but they always end up together, married and happy.

You just can't force love no matter how hard you try.





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That scene is amazing! I love your icon and the arts Coccy!
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So true! You're right about "triangles," and I never saw Max torn between Liz and Tess. Liz left Max, and then continually lied to him and pushed him towards his 'destiny.' By the time Departure rolled around, Max had already knocked Tess up and wished things could have been different, but was honorable in his duty. Well...that was until Tess's true colors came out, and Max had no choice but to stay on Earth. Max was stuck on Earth, but he still didn't have to pursue Liz. Max wanted to be with Liz because he loved her and she loved him. TPTB should have shown Max and Liz having a good and long talk about FMax and the Tess mess before showing them dating again. But I believe they tried to clean up a mess and crap that shouldn't have been done in the first place.
i agree.
i also don't think that "stuck on Earth" is a phrase that can be used for Max&Co because they never wanted to leave earth, in the first place
Max was always forced by the need to save his son but he never wanted to go there because he wanted it or saw the planet as his home.
He had to do it but even when he wanted to try in the third season it was clear that his idea was to go there take the baby and then come back asap.
It was clear like water that the aliens didn't want to leave this planet and no wonder why. their life is there. the people they love are there.
Only Tess really wanted to go on antar because she had nothing in earth.
then she had to come back here when she discovered that antar wasn't so good like she had always thought and that the "queen" wasn't welcomed with open arms like she had dreamed.
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Old 06-01-2009, 06:06 AM
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Kal's response is very telling indeed just like the cut scene when he told Max
"you idiot you slept with the enemy"
That was cut? Why ? aliens girls really weren't trustable, huh? Vilandra betrayed everyone on Antar and Tess betrayed everyone on Earth!!

By the way, I saw the trailer for the new SA tv show and it looks good! When will it start airing?
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