Roswell - Cherishing Max & Liz Evans #638: "He LOVES her and she LOVES him. It's the WORLD to him!" - Ron Moore - Page 4

*Coccy* · 05-24-2009, 03:17 AM

love the caps

the last one after the kiss when their faces where still touching and close (and this is something that they always do, love it ) is so awwwww

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Gosh, the OP is so beautiful

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I think it was easier for Isabel and Maria to be friends b\c Isabel didn't have to worry about Maria taking away her time with Max.

true. Until Maria had Michael's attention

the funny thing is that Isabel was the one who dated normal guys since the very beginning. It was implied that she was dating even before the pilot
this because she had her fake normal life with her fake friends.
I'm glad that she got rid of those stupid girls, at one point.

anyway we can say that deep down Isabel was a dreamer too

some Isabel quotes

Leaving Normal
(At Evans home, Max is lying on bed and and sees Isabel looking down at him while wearing a Crashdown uniform)
Max: No way!

Isabel: Shut up. Temporary situation.
Max: Why are you...? You're covering for Liz, aren't you?
Isabel: So...depressed? Feeling sorry for yourself? Angry at the world?
Max: All of the above.

Isabel: Listen, I heard Liz's Grandma isn't doing so well. She could probably use someone to talk to.
Max: She's got Maria. She's got Kyle. (aww)
Isabel: Who did she call when she first found out?
Max: You're the one who's always telling me I have to stay away from her. What are you saying, Is?
Isabel: I'm just saying that, you know, if something like this happened to Grandma or grandpa, I wouldn't want to be kept away from who I really needed.

love that scene

also.. Max was always listening to the counting crows when he was sad

leaving normal is one of my fav dreamer scenes.
i love how they tried to stay away but they couldn't. Liz called him, she knew that it was "against the rules" but she needed *him*. And he went to her, no matter what. in the end when her grandmama died he was there for her and he comforted her without words needed. He was just there.
She cried only in his arms just like he cried only in hers.

Max in the city

ISABEL: Liz...take my hand.
LIZ: I don't know why, but I'm really scared to do this. You know, if you can't contact him, what makes you think I can?
ISABEL: I know my brother, and I know that if there is one voice he will hear no matter where he is, no matter what he's doing, it's yours. Take my hand, Liz.

in the uncut version what she really said was
"Because he loves you, Liz. He loves
you more than anything in this world. I know that. For all that's
happened...for all the pain the two of you have caused each other...I
know my brother...and I know that if there is one voice he will hear no
matter where he is or what he's doing...it's yours."

but i like the definitive version too because the meaning is pretty the same

Max in the city is such a subtle dreamer episode
above all Max was angry with Liz in that moment, he was so hurt. But still she was the only voice he listened to
and i'm not talking only about the scene when she saved him.
He listened to her advice about the granolith too.
That was the reason of why he didn't fall in Nicholas' trap and said "no". she saved him twice.
he remembered what she had told him and he couldn't stop to think about it and what she meant. Eventually he trusted her even without knowing the truth and why she had told him that.
Also Liz, from Roswell, was able to connect to him when his sister couldn't. She was the only one able to do it. A human he healed and loved.
She connected to him and she saved his life.
Liz from roswell was *there* with him and concretely *helped* him more than the people that were physically there with him. Very telling.
The episode proved again what an amazing bond they share. The can be in two different cities and they're still connected to each other.
Just like in third season Liz was in Vermont and felt it when Max died.

another very telling thing in the episode is what Ava-dupe said about her and Zan. It was another proof that destiny always fails no matter if there's a "Liz" or not. It's destiny itself that doesn't work.
The message was clear: You can't create love.
Max didn't love his programmed mate. Zan, his dupe, didn't love his either. And not because he loved another woman like Max (Zan didn't have his "Liz", he didn't find his soulmate like Max did. Maybe one day he would have found his soulmate too into another human woman.. who knows. or maybe Max was the lucky one. not all the people can find their soulmate) it just didn't work. If destiny couldn't work for Zan who didn't love another woman it figures if it could have worked for Max who did find his soulmate since he was just a boy

another thing that i love in the episode is the ending scene when Max went to Liz

with everything by lifehouse as the background music

and what about a roswell xmas carol when he went to her? when he said that he believed in her?

other quotes:
significant others
Isabel: No matter how much it screws up her life (Liz's) , you still have each other. Isn't that the most important thing?

...

another scene i like is the one from who died and made you a king when Isabel was sad because Jesse left her but this also made her understand how her brother could feel in that moment
Isabel: How's Liz?
Max: Cautious. And she has every right to be, but...
Isabel: It's not easy.
Max: Yeah.
and he was so cute when he tried to ask her (Liz) for a date. so hopeful.
he was giving her the right space but at the same he couldn't help but miss her..
i guess that in the end it worked because she wasn't able to say "no" to him for too long

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Oh, definitely. No doubt there. But Liz managed to break the ice. I think Liz handled herself superbly. When Isabel was catty to her, with the spill on her blouse and all, Liz responded gently and immediately told her that she's not trying to take Max away. Sweet.

exactly!
i love how mature she was, she saw beyond Isabel's bad personality and understood her without her explaining herself.

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Yes. I love the scene in "Heatwave" where she and Liz were sitting down polishing their toes. A nice sisterly bonding seem to be taking place there.

it was a cute scene
i would have loved to see more scenes like that one, not only with them but all the girls. a normal moment between girls.

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Agreed. They clicked unlike with Tess. The funny thing is that Isabel and Tess started out as friends first when the latter came into town but it seemed so weird.

because she manipulated her. Tess got her attention because she wanted to get her attention so her 'scenes' when she talked with Isabel were all programmed and fake not genuine and Isabel realized it.

Some people always whine about the other characters saying that they didn't welcome Tess so much. The problem is that they totally forget that the way she introduced herself wasn't so friendly nor it can be acceptable for every social group. She manipulated them. She lied. She used her powers on them.
Think about Isabel. How she could be friends with Tess after she manipulate her and after she discovered that she had mind warped her brother trying to seduce him?
i also think that they resented Tess because for her and Nacedo's fault their life couldn't be the same anyone. Max got captured and tortured by the FBI for their fault because Pierce followed Nacedo. also before them they always thought that they were all siblings and they had parents.. then they suddenly discovered that they were "engineered". they were artificial. they were clones created with the purpose to take the place of their donors, to be used.

i can totally understand why she couldn't be treated like a friend, like if nothing had happened.
and actually they were all right about her didn't they?
it's because they trusted her and let her in that in the end Alex died.

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Wow, thanks for the link. To me it seemed like their was nothing subtle about that article but I suppose its because the writer followed up her comment with the explicit mention of Jason Behr as that "bad breakup". Ouch. I'm more than a little surprise to see it in print.

her bitter comments tell me that she wasn't the one who ended their relationship

Jason for example is always polite, when they asked him about her and if they were still friends he changed the question by transforming it into a question about the whole roswell cast. He never made a comment about her. he never talks about her, at all.

hibiscuss · 05-24-2009, 05:11 PM

Wow, I walk in here and all the quotes have me feeling so dreamy.

hibiscuss · 05-24-2009, 05:15 PM

Had to say it. The art is fantastic. I

Max & Liz.

**Crystaline** · 05-24-2009, 09:21 PM

I love that Max had Tess with him in NY, but it was Liz across the country in Roswell that managed to save his life. Their connection.

*Coccy* · 05-25-2009, 02:06 AM

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I love that Max had Tess with him in NY, but it was Liz across the country in Roswell that managed to save his life. Their connection.

you hit the nail on the head!
she wasn't physically there with him but she was *there* however.
she saved him and he listened to HER. She also was the only one who gave him a real advice. the others were useless
we all know that the summit was a trap and they wanted to kill Max.

you know i like Ava the dupe, i mean she was ok i don't have a complete opinion of her because we didn't see her so much. But both her and Tess were so stupid and useless. I mean, they killed Zan in front of Ava's eyes and she did nothing in order to stop them and save him (i have to say that the way he died was pretty stupid itself. I mean, he died for a ball. An alien died while he was following a ball!). and then after it she still was with Lonnie and Rath! The same happened with Tess. They almost killed Max in front of her eyes and she did nothing. He had to "save" her (i don't think that she was in danger. I'm convinced that the whole "sitting in Buddha's position" was a show. Nicholas didn't kill her for the same reason she "casually" didn't kill him in the other episode: like she said in departure they weren't enemies. So he needed her.) . Liz, a human woman, from ROSWELL connected to him and saved him while Tess, the alien, who was there with him did nothing. Not to mention that everything she did the whole time was kissing Max's ass she wasn't even able to give him a honest and useful advice. (nothing new. i don't remember a single scene where she really helped him with an advice)

xmag · 05-25-2009, 04:46 AM

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you know i like Ava the dupe, i mean she was ok i don't have a complete opinion of her because we didn't see her so much. But both her and Tess were so stupid and useless. I mean, they killed Zan in front of Ava's eyes and she did nothing in order to stop them and save him (i have to say that the way he died was pretty stupid itself. I mean, he died for a ball. An alien died while he was following a ball!).

Yeah, why couldn't she push Zan a little so that he wasn't on this truck's path, while mindwarping Rath and Lonnie? Or why didn't Zan use his powers to create a shield to protect himself or why didn't he use his powers to force the truck out of his way?

*Coccy* · 05-25-2009, 10:26 AM

exactly. good questions
seriously the way he died is really stupid
but oh well.. it doesn't seem to me that the dupes were so brilliant
i mean there must be a reason of why they aren't the chosen ones while Max&Co are, no?

~*Sonia E.*~ · 05-25-2009, 11:10 AM

I love the BD caps LindsayLovely. and Kem!

Welcome eternal-passion!

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i think that he's the character where who he's in love with is so obvious and transparent not only because of what he did and said but because we got the chance to see inside his soul... and this isn't common

And we saw that she was always there inside him
Her image was the first thing that people could see inside his mind and sometimes the only one (example Clayton)
also the concreteness of this "detail" made his professions of love even more real
when he said "you mean everything to me" or "you're what kept me alive" he really meant it, you got the proof the what he said was exactly the way he felt and she is everything. I love it
only roswell could do something like that.

There was always the "proof is in the pudding" when it came to Max and Liz's love for each other.

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of course even roswell fans can be in denial and delusional enough to pretend that the story doesn't exist LOL
and i think that if even some roswell fans are like that with all the evidence they got.. well it figures what happens with new tv-shows where who is in love with is like a quiz with many answers.

Of course the story doesn't exist when one's version is soooo much better than what was shown on the screen.

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and it's good that in the end he got what he really wanted and his happy end along with her

I'm so glad that Max and Liz both got their happy ending.

If anyone deserved it, these two did. I would have also liked to see Alex get a happy ending too.

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no one forced her to destroy her life like that.
it's one of the reasons of why i never felt pity for her.
She knew what she was doing. She knew that Max didn't love her but Liz. She knew that he was unhappy and she had to force him with her dirty tricks because he didn't want to leave his real home*. she saw Liz inside him. she not only saw his love for her from the outside, from the way he looked and the way he talked about Liz. She also saw it inside him. what she wanted more? what she wanted?
next time tell the antarians to give you the power to make people love you! (it would be pathetic but seeing how weird her conception of "love" is it wouldn't surprise me that maybe she would have loved this kind of pathetic power, if that was possible)

So true! But somehow, I don't see Tess being happy even if the Antarians gave her the power to make Max love her.

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i also think that Liz was good with both Isabel and Michael
She didn't try to force herself, she didn't start wars, she didn't resent them. She knew that it wasn't a game. I think that Liz understood why, at the beginning, they weren't so friendly with her and the other humans.
she cared more about making them understand that she cared about them and she really loved Max then to start arguments with them because they weren't friendly. and this, i think, made the difference.

Neither Isabel nor Michael cared about Liz, they tolerated her because they couldn't change Max's feelings for her. I was glad when Isabel and Michael eased up on Max and Liz, and stopped trying to make them suffer for the healing. They both did seem to be a little nicer in the long run, and Isabel even smiled and hugged Liz at Max and Liz's wedding.

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anyway it's funny how Isabel seemed annoyed by M&L and M&M "flirting" in the first season but then in the third season she was worse than them when she was with Jesse!

in fact she didn't whine anymore about them

i guess that people have to experience things in order to understand them

I believe both Isabel and Michael felt that Max was more of a hypocrite than either of them were. It didn't matter to them when the shoe was on the other foot, and they were making out or spending time with who they loved or wanted to be with. It was funny when Isabel was running around all over town with Jesse and making out in convenience stores, but wanted to keep it a big secret.

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anyway we can say that deep down Isabel was a dreamer too

I consider Isabel more of a reluctant Dreamer because she had no choice in accepting Max's feelings for Liz.

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leaving normal is one of my fav dreamer scenes.
i love how they tried to stay away but they couldn't. Liz called him, she knew that it was "against the rules" but she needed *him*. And he went to her, no matter what. in the end when her grandmama died he was there for her and he comforted her without words needed. He was just there.
She cried only in his arms just like he cried only in hers.

So sad, but also so beautiful.

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Max in the city is such a subtle dreamer episode
above all Max was angry with Liz in that moment, he was so hurt. But still she was the only voice he listened to
and i'm not talking only about the scene when she saved him.
He listened to her advice about the granolith too.
That was the reason of why he didn't fall in Nicholas' trap and said "no". she saved him twice.
he remembered what she had told him and he couldn't stop to think about it and what she meant. Eventually he trusted her even without knowing the truth and why she had told him that.
Also Liz, from Roswell, was able to connect to him when his sister couldn't. She was the only one able to do it. A human he healed and loved.
She connected to him and she saved his life.
Liz from roswell was *there* with him and concretely *helped* him more than the people that were physically there with him. Very telling.
The episode proved again what an amazing bond they share. The can be in two different cities and they're still connected to each other.
Just like in third season Liz was in Vermont and felt it when Max died.

Those scenes were very telling indeed. No matter how far apart Max and Liz were from each other, their amazing bond shined through.

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Some people always whine about the other characters saying that they didn't welcome Tess so much. The problem is that they totally forget that the way she introduced herself wasn't so friendly nor it can be acceptable for every social group. She manipulated them. She lied. She used her powers on them.

Tess manipulating Max and the gang on her first appearance in Roswell is easily forgotten by some because apparently being an "alien" was supposedly the most important thing. It's those pesky human beings that helped Max and co. from the beginning with no strings attached who were untrustworthy.

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I love that Max had Tess with him in NY, but it was Liz across the country in Roswell that managed to save his life. Their connection.

Max and Liz's connection was beautiful.

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you know i like Ava the dupe, i mean she was ok i don't have a complete opinion of her because we didn't see her so much. But both her and Tess were so stupid and useless. I mean, they killed Zan in front of Ava's eyes and she did nothing in order to stop them and save him (i have to say that the way he died was pretty stupid itself. I mean, he died for a ball. An alien died while he was following a ball!). and then after it she still was with Lonnie and Rath! The same happened with Tess. They almost killed Max in front of her eyes and she did nothing. He had to "save" her (i don't think that she was in danger. I'm convinced that the whole "sitting in Buddha's position" was a show. Nicholas didn't kill her for the same reason she "casually" didn't kill him in the other episode: like she said in departure they weren't enemies. So he needed her.) . Liz, a human woman, from ROSWELL connected to him and saved him while Tess, the alien, who was there with him did nothing. Not to mention that everything she did the whole time was kissing Max's ass she wasn't even able to give him a honest and useful advice. (nothing new. i don't remember a single scene where she really helped him with an advice)

So true! I liked Ava and how she bonded with Liz, and helped her to save Max's life. Ava was scared of Lonnie and Rath and didn't try to save Zan's life, and she wouldn't help Michael and Isabel either until Liz talked to her. I loved how after Liz told Ava that she didn't want to lose Max like Ava lost Zan, Ava told her how she could save Max. Liz was scared which reminded me of how Ava was scared too when she didn't try to save Zan, but Liz did save Max with Isabel's help. Thank goodness too, Max would have been dead because queen Tess was no help at all.

**Crystaline** · 05-25-2009, 10:30 PM

I hated that they killed Zan so early in the episode. I wanted to see him and Max face off more than anything, lol. And to see some tension over Liz.

~*Sonia E.*~ · 05-26-2009, 03:56 AM

It would have been interesting to see how Max and Zan interacted with each other. I don't know if Liz tension would have been good because Max was already suffering because of Liz.

Or maybe Max would have killed Zan himself if he tried anything with Liz?

Max did check Rath out after he said that he and Liz already met, it's a good thing that Max didn't see Rath slip Liz the tongue. Ewwww!

*Coccy* · 05-26-2009, 07:10 AM

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I hated that they killed Zan so early in the episode. I wanted to see him and Max face off more than anything, lol. And to see some tension over Liz.

me too

the scene would be hilarious!

i wanted Max to see his dupe. They would have teased each other so much

I can see Zan flirting with Liz just because she is Max's woman LOL
he could even pretend to be Max but i doubt that it could really work because Liz would understand and feel that he isn't her Max

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Max did check Rath out after he said that he and Liz already met, it's a good thing that Max didn't see Rath slip Liz the tongue. Ewwww!

i'm glad that i'm not the only one who noticed Max's reaction when he saw that Rath already knew Liz

i love how in the fanfictions' world people transform Zan in the superhero rebellious and passionate because it's such a big assumption with no clues. From what we saw he was, most likely, not the most brilliant man of the world. I don't think that he was so different to Rath. I mean... his only line was so damn stupid "I'm da-man" and so? O_o yes you're "da-man" but you died following a stupid ball, my compliments!

I can't see Max saying something like that

We didn't see so much of Zan but i believe that Max is way better.

of course Zan was very hot too!

Jason was the only one that i liked in the punk version too.
also, like Max it seems that he sensed that the summit was a big trap and he didn't want to go.

one thing that i will never understand is why Nicholas contacted the dupes and Zan first. I mean, if the roswell's set was the chosen one it means that Max only had the royal seal no? so i don't understand how Zan could have passed the test.
Maybe he had a royal seal too?

It seemed that the king was the one they cared the most about, btw.
he's the only one with something that made him the "original one".. For example no one tested Tess.. well no one cared about her. Only Nicholas noticed her and he teased her. She didn't even get a chair at the table. No one asked her opinion. She was unimportant there even more than Rath and Lonnie. They just wanted Max.
(one of the big BS of the "destiny" thing is that Max needed her in order to be a king. by the end of the series it's pretty obvious that he can be the king with or without her and his romantic life is totally irrelevant. she isn't even able to create a real alien heir with him. It seems to me that the king is always the king just like the second in command and his sister. while the queen is like that only if the king makes her one. )

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There was always the "proof is in the pudding" when it came to Max and Liz's love for each other.

true

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Of course the story doesn't exist when one's version is soooo much better than what was shown on the screen.

some people simply fail to understand that when we watch fiction we're watching the story created by someone not us. A writer/author can't write his own story the contrary of what he likes LOL it's a nonsense. He will, obviously, write it the way he likes it just like the fans write their fanfictions in the way they like them not the contrary (and they surely don't like to be criticized because people don't like their personal choices, no? The example is basically the same. When we read ff we surely can't ask the author to transform his own story into something completely different that is the opposite of what he wants to create. )

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I'm so glad that Max and Liz both got their happy ending.

If anyone deserved it, these two did. I would have also liked to see Alex get a happy ending too.

me too.

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I believe both Isabel and Michael felt that Max was more of a hypocrite than either of them were. It didn't matter to them when the shoe was on the other foot, and they were making out or spending time with who they loved or wanted to be with. It was funny when Isabel was running around all over town with Jesse and making out in convenience stores, but wanted to keep it a big secret.

true.
for some reason Max got criticized for something that everyone was doing anyway
and he was the one who loved the girl since 10 years but had to keep it secret.

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I consider Isabel more of a reluctant Dreamer because she had no choice in accepting Max's feelings for Liz.

obviously

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Those scenes were very telling indeed. No matter how far apart Max and Liz were from each other, their amazing bond shined through.

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Tess manipulating Max and the gang on her first appearance in Roswell is easily forgotten by some because apparently being an "alien" was supposedly the most important thing. It's those pesky human beings that helped Max and co. from the beginning with no strings attached who were untrustworthy.

word!
just because she was alien it didn't mean that she had the right to do what she wanted and to use people like she did. Nor she had the right to be loved and accepted just because she was alien.
especially into a show were being alien wasn't the most important thing itself. it's not star trek

it's such more more than this.
everyone was pretty fine with their life. Max&co found their home in the humans and were happy with their life. In the end they got what they wanted and they fought for . Everyone had a place in the group, everyone knew who they wanted, loved etc etc.
The only one who had nothing to do with the story and the group was her.
it was always *her* problem not the group's. She couldn't pretend that the majority had to change their own life according to her liking and what *she* wanted.

and like you said, the humans were the one who helped Max&Co from the start and no one forced them.
without the humans Max&Co were totally LOST

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Max and Liz's connection was beautiful.

it's one of the things i love the most about them

MTVVJ08 · 05-26-2009, 11:22 AM

So my friend was talking up this show this past weekend so I had to check out the first couple of eppies and i just have to say how much I am in love with these two!!! i wish i knew about this ten years ago

~*Sonia E.*~ · 05-26-2009, 08:10 PM

Welcome MTVVJ08!

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i love how in the fanfictions' world people transform Zan in the superhero rebellious and passionate because it's such a big assumption with no clues. From what we saw he was, most likely, not the most brilliant man of the world. I don't think that he was so different to Rath. I mean... his only line was so damn stupid "I'm da-man" and so? O_o yes you're "da-man" but you died following a stupid ball, my compliments!

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I can't see Max saying something like that

We didn't see so much of Zan but i believe that Max is way better.

In MitC, when Rath was talking crap to Max about not taking the deal, Max said "I am the man."

Max was standing up for himself, but I can't see Max saying something like that either.

I believe Max is way better than Zan too.

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of course Zan was very hot too!

Jason was the only one that i liked in the punk version too.
also, like Max it seems that he sensed that the summit was a big trap and he didn't want to go.

Zan was hot! Ava was cute too with her punk look and pink hair, except for her runny panty hose.

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one thing that i will never understand is why Nicholas contacted the dupes and Zan first. I mean, if the roswell's set was the chosen one it means that Max only had the royal seal no? so i don't understand how Zan could have passed the test.
Maybe he had a royal seal too?

That's why I didn't care for the kings, queens, and countrymen aspect of Roswell. Trying to decipher all that was given to us gives me a headache. I just LOVE Max Evans, a half-human teenaged guy trying to live his life on Earth without all the drama, and with the love of his life.

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(one of the big BS of the "destiny" thing is that Max needed her in order to be a king. by the end of the series it's pretty obvious that he can be the king with or without her and his romantic life is totally irrelevant. she isn't even able to create a real alien heir with him. It seems to me that the king is always the king just like the second in command and his sister. while the queen is like that only if the king makes her one. )

So true! I don't remember anyone giving Max helpful info that he could use to save Antar. It seemed Nasedo, Tess, Skins, Dupes, Kal, and even mommy dearest had something important to say, but nothing concrete to help Max with his purpose. I believe Max was better off in the end giving up the throne, and living his life the way he wanted and whoever he wanted to live it with!

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some people simply fail to understand that when we watch fiction we're watching the story created by someone not us. A writer/author can't write his own story the contrary of what he likes LOL it's a nonsense. He will, obviously, write it the way he likes it just like the fans write their fanfictions in the way they like them not the contrary (and they surely don't like to be criticized because people don't like their personal choices, no? The example is basically the same. When we read ff we surely can't ask the author to transform his own story into something completely different that is the opposite of what he wants to create. )

WORD!

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true.
for some reason Max got criticized for something that everyone was doing anyway
and he was the one who loved the girl since 10 years but had to keep it secret.

Max wasn't supposed to get close and serious with Liz. Isabel and Michael made sure to drill it inside Max's head every time they thought he was getting too close for comfort. It was fine for Max to make out with Liz to get clues about his planet, but getting serious and having a real relationship was a big no-no for Isabel and Michael. Max made me proud when he said that he didn't want to use Liz and respected her enough to tell her the truth in SH. Though, I don't believe Liz minded one bit cuddling and making out with Max - such a hardship.

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and like you said, the humans were the one who helped Max&Co from the start and no one forced them.
without the humans Max&Co were totally LOST

So true! Max needed Liz's help even though he didn't want it because of the danger. And Liz stayed right by Max's side and told him point blank that she was going to help him. Even when Max and Liz were not together, Liz helped him causing them both heartache and pain.

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Originally Posted by *Coccy* (View Post)

it's one of the things i love the most about them

Me too.

*Coccy* · 05-27-2009, 04:20 AM

Welcome MTVVJ08!

I just have to post this

Max and Liz won the second place at lovetripper.com in Romance Hall of Fame top 10 Sci-Fi TV Couples Category!

Just as one touch of the hero's healing hand left its imprint on the show's heroine, the cosmic connection between a girl and her celestial soul mate has left an impression on the hearts of devoted Dreamers which, years after Roswell's final episode, has yet to fade away.

Over the course of three seasons, fans followed the love story of Max Evans (portrayed by actor Jason Behr), an alien hybrid from the famed Roswell incident who defies his stars to be with Liz Parker (played by actress Shiri Appleby), and in so doing this modern Romeo and Juliet create their own destiny.

(candies are there too #8. Roswell rulezzzz)

i just discovered it, I didn't know about that before the poll ended otherwise i would have voted too

(if i'm not wrong you were supposed to vote by email) but i'm happy that other people voted them!!!!

I love the comments people made about them

here some of my fav:

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Max and Liz are the definition of love. They are the only couple I've ever seen that portrays love perfectly. They show you that love is when you would do absolutely ANYTHING for the other person. It's about being there for each other 100% and even though times get hard, you know everything is going to be okay because of one single look or smile from the one you love. You trust them fully no matter what. They show you that love is difficult and being in a relationship is difficult but if you just give it a shot, it will all be worth it.-- Michelle

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Their love surpassed boundaries and what they have is nothing I've seen before in other shows. They really set the bar higher...-- Anna

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I think this is the most romantic couple because even though Max was different, he always acted out with more human kindness than any other actual human being would. He tried to compensate for his being different and that made him so much better to love. Liz stayed by Max through everything, even though the situation with Tess was hard and it did cause her alot of heartache, she loved Max more than her own life as he loved her. They always treated each other with respect and with kindness and like I said, even though they had very hard times and their relationship was almost impossible to continue, they did it and they conquered every challenge. I think this is by far the best love story and Romantic Couple I've seen. They deserve to win because when I watch Roswell and see them together, it gives me tingles and makes me wish I had people like Max Evans & Liz Parker on my side.-- Jessica

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They were born to love each other, they loved each other before they knew each other, and soul mates should never be apart.
Anyone who can stand the tests of time as they did/do, should be the couple of the century...She sacrificed and so did he. True love only comes once and when destiny calls, you take it.-- Lori

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Of all the TV couples that I have seen those two made it look the most real. The looks that they gave each other made you see
two people that were truly in love. The emotion between them felt real the good and the bad times, it made feel part of them. You wanted to find someone to share those kind of feelings with.-- Robert

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Originally Posted by ~*Sonia E.*~ (View Post)

In MitC, when Rath was talking crap to Max about not taking the deal, Max said "I am the man."

Max was standing up for himself, but I can't see Max saying something like that either.

I believe Max is way better than Zan too.

oh i forgot about that line

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That's why I didn't care for the kings, queens, and countrymen aspect of Roswell. Trying to decipher all that was given to us gives me a headache. I just LOVE Max Evans, a half-human teenaged guy trying to live his life on Earth without all the drama, and with the love of his life.

i think that they made a mistake when they changed their back story/origins and transformed it into a thing about kings, princesses etc etc-
In the original story it's so much more believable and simple. The royal four thing was so damn stupid and cliché
not to mention that it never made sense and it was so contradictory that it became pathetic and i think that it only ruined the show.

in the original story i love that Max&Co were simply the children of normal "antarians" who died trying to save them
the whole thing about their origins seems way more intimate, more real. Less cold like in the television series where Max&Co were basically engineered and they were clones.
At one point i remember that Max got the chance to sense the presence of his original parents, it was sweet even if it lasted for a very small moment. Also Michael for example had a brother and he met him.

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So true! I don't remember anyone giving Max helpful info that he could use to save Antar. It seemed Nasedo, Tess, Skins, Dupes, Kal, and even mommy dearest had something important to say, but nothing concrete to help Max with his purpose. I believe Max was better off in the end giving up the throne, and living his life the way he wanted and whoever he wanted to live it with!

good observation.
it's one of the reason of why i roll my eyes at the royal four storyline. Because it was useless. Max needed to be a king.. ok but why? the lack of concreteness and real believable reasons was so obvious.

also the whole thing about the royal four saving antar was so lame.
they had no useful informations, the destiny book got translated by a human because they weren't able to understand that language, they had no allies here in earth, they had only one spaceship, the granolith, that they couldn't use twice. Their protectors were enemies and sucked bit time.
I really don't understand how four teenagers with no acknowledge and no allies could have saved a whole planet and kill Kivar&Co. come on!

Not to mention that they were actually 3 people not four if you consider that Tess was an enemy too and Kivar&Co were her allies

also the funny thing is that no one ever asked for Max&Co help. i'm talking about the antarians. We know that they were able to contact them if they wanted (think about Kivar and Brody) but it never happened. No one, in 3 years, ever went to Max in order to tell him "we want you back King". no one. it's very telling.
honestly, it seems to me that the antarians didn't give a single damn about Max&Co.
even in the third season Tess had to return here in order to save herself and her son. I understand that she was a betrayer but the baby was innocent and he was Max's baby too. Still, no one of the supposed "supporters" of the royal four tried to save him from Kivar. If they had tried you can bet that Tess wouldn't have returned into a planet she hated with passion especially when she knew that Max&Co hated her.

from what we know the antarians are pretty fine with Kivar as the king. actions speak louder than words and legends

**Roswell 10/2/00** · 05-27-2009, 11:13 AM

OMG that is amazing it just shows that even after 10 years this couple still touches our hearts!