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Cherishing Max & Liz #636: Because Max and Liz make Romeo and Juliet look like wimps!

Welcome to the Max and Liz Appreciation Thread





Everything - Lifehouse
find me here
and speak to me
I want to feel you
I need to hear you
you are the light
that's leading me
to the place
where I find peace again

you are the strength
that keeps me walking
you are the hope
that keeps me trusting
you are the life
to my soul
you are my purpose
you're everything

and how can I
stand here with you
and not be moved by you
would you tell me
how could it be
any better than this yeah

you calm the storms
and you give me rest
you hold me in your hands
you won't let me fall
you still my heart
and you take my breath away
would you take me in
take me deeper now

and how can I
stand here with you
and not be moved by you
would you tell me
how could it be
any better than this

and how can I
stand here with you
and not be moved by you
would you tell me
how could it be
any better than this

cause you're all I want
you're all I need
you're everything
everything

you're all I want
you're all I need
you're everything
everything

you're all I want
you're all I need
you're everything
everything

you're all I want
you're all I need
you're everything
everything

and how can I
stand here with you
and not be moved by you
would you tell me
how could it be
any better than this

and how can I
stand here with you
and not be moved by you
would you tell me
how could it be
any better than this
would you tell me
how could it be
any better than this







by Arosia




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Season 1 Survivor - Winner is #16 - Sexual Healings

2nd Place - Destiny

Third Place - Pilot


Season 2 Survivor - Winner is #5 - The End of World

Second Place - The Departure

Third Place - Viva Las Vegas

more to come!

Season 3 Survivor - Winner is #18 - Graduation

Second Place - Chant Down Babylon

Third Place - Busted



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Max&Liz Weddings:






Christmas poem by KenL:
Liz is in the kitchen baking an apple pie,
with visions of Christmas flashing before her eyes.
Little Liz is making noise in the living room,
while Michael is walking up the driveway wearing a Santa suit.
Max is at the door greeting Santa Claus,
who has just arrived carrying a bag of toys.
A Christmas celebration is underway,
creating lasting memories on this festive day.





















Arts credited to Liz, Coccy & Naturellebella.

Quotes from cast and crew on Max & Liz (Jason & Shiri):

"It was more about... without you i couldn't become the person I'm now. And I think that throughout the season no matter what has happened.. good or bad.. it made these people who they're i think that's the way it is with life. That choices that we make in our lives and the people that we know help us, in one way or another, be the people we're. And that moment he was thanking her for helping open his eyes to a complete different world. She's a sane voice, some sort of reasoning. The person that he trust the most is Liz who knows him better, I think, than anybody" - Jason Behr (about the last scene from A Roswell Christmas Carol)

"The Max-Liz connection works so well, as is so popular with "Roswell"'s fans, because, in Moore's opinion, "It's very romantic in the classic sense of the word. Max is a young man from another planet, with secrets. He saved her life in the first episode, and they became soulmates across time and space. It's a classic set-up. Beyond that, the appeal of their relationship has a great deal to do with the chemistry between Shiri Appleby and Jason Behr." - Ron Moore, co-executive producer & writer Ron Moore talks Roswell in Dec Starlog.

"The episodes that I have really found have worked in that way are the pilot episode, which works really well because that’s really, to me, Romeo and Juliet. It’s really about two people meeting and falling in love, but not being able to be together, and I think it grabs you in that way." - Jason Katims, executive producer and creator of the Roswell talks about Roswell episodes that he thinks is a real top television moment.

"Heart and Soul of Roswell, I think that Jason [Katims] would share this opinion, has always been the relationship between Max and Liz. That's where the plot begins. He saved her life and he exposes himself at the same time. The love between those two characters is fundamental to the show's success. - Ron Moore, Roswell season 2 DVD, Ask Not commentary

"When we did this scene you just kind of expect that this scene's going to be great. You know it's gonna be great because their chemistry is so good together but then watching it a few years later and seeing how good they are together, you know that doesn’t come off - It's not that easy for that to happen. When you have chemistry... we were very lucky with the two of them, what great chemistry the two of them have together on the screen. For three years they could still do a scene like that and could still kinda get you. That’s pretty amazing."
(Jason Katims, graduation commentary of the proposal scene)

"I though he was an amazing choice for Max. He really does have that intensity — just the way he looks at Liz —and you feel the longing. I always felt that Max was the cautious, responsible and a good person, but with all this bubbling underneath. I think he really conveys that, which is hard to do,because it's all internal." Melinda Metz (Soap Opera Weekly)

"I love that! he's a kid! He's a kid, he doesn't care about his "destiny", he's not a captain Kirk. He doesn't care about his unseen planet he just found out about. What he cares about is a very human thing. He cares about this girl. He loves her and she loves him. It's the world to him! That's what it's primary in his mind. And I think that's what the show is about. That's what brings people to this show is this strong love between them" (Ronald Moore about the "I'm coming for you Liz" scene- Ask Not commentary)

"That moment to me seems like a transcendent moment. It's the gift he gives to her. It's him thanking her for being there for him and being a friend.
And it's not a moment about them getting together as a boyfriend and girlfriend. It's beyond that(...) he's able to go to her even with everything that they've been through" (Jason Katims - A Roswell Christmas Carol commentary of the "I believe in you" scene )

"The moment you look at Shiri you know why Max is in love with her: she was so REAL" (Thania St. John- The Balance commentary)

"And then enter Liz. And you know we're playing. One of the great things about season two was playing Max chasing Liz. You know I thought that was a really fun thing. I think it really said a lot about his feeling for her. That he wasn't willing to give it up and that, you know, you were awaiting for for her resolve to weaken and hoping she's gonna go back into his arms." (Ronald Moore about the "I'm coming for you Liz" scene- Ask Not commentary)

"We're going to play things a little lighter in some instances. But the relationships are still going to carry forward, because they are the heart and soul of the show. The Liz-Max relationship is front and center, right from the first episode." (Ronald Moore's interview )

"People will go to any length if they love someone..." "These two people. They weren't acting at this point. This was real stuff."
(David Nutter, Blood Brother's commentary scene "I guess these are the things you do when...when you feel a certain way about someone."")

"Look at how great these two are together. Romeo and Juliet" (David Nutter - Secrets and Lies commentary)

"I love the music in this episode--especially the love theme between Max and Liz. This was just magical stuff and I think...I know that with the great combination of Snuffy Walden and Joe Williams...I think there was a real great musical fanatic that really helped I think bond these two characters and also get a sense of sadness because of the fact that they can never ultimately be together. I think it pulls the audience in even more..." (David Nutter)


"and here it comes. That's the moment where they know in their hearts that they're in love with each other. They've never said it. He doesn't actually say it now either. But what he's telling her is 'I'm breaking out with you because I'm in love with you' - and the pain in her heart right now is making her angry yet she understands. But she's still so alone when he walks down that... and we know that they belong together and they're in love and what Max is doing right now is for the good of both of them. And half way thought our first season we've broken them up and yet we've completely allowed them to profess their love for each other at the same time.
We've given ourselves more fodder for the back half of the season because the love story really needed a wrench thrown into it. We wanted to see what it was like for them to be so happy so that we would know ultimately what they needed to search for and find and live thorough the pain to get there again. (Thania St. John- The Balance commentary, last scene when M&L broke up)

Q: My question is about the amazing looks you give Max (Jason) during your scenes together. What are you thinking or what experiences do you draw from for those steamy eyes you have?
A: (Shiri Appleby): While Jason and I are looking into each other's eyes I just think about the most pure love possible because their relationship is based strictly on the heart. What they share is what I someday hope to find.
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Hi everyone! I don’t know if you all know this, but the Cherishing Max & Liz thread was the very first shipper thread in all of Fan Forum! I used to think the Dawson and Joey shipper thread on the Dawson’s Creek board was the very first shipper thread here, but the person who started that thread actually got the idea from this thread, so you Max and Liz fans (and I consider myself to be a Max and Liz fan) started a tradition of expressing your love and support for your favorite couple that has been copied on almost every board here, so bravo to all of you! I’m glad to see that so many people still post on this thread.

"There couldn't have been a better way to end the series. The talented young cast make the most of their moments, with Behr and Appleby especially strong as the starcrossed lovers Max and Liz. When the two look at each other across the room during a moment of great danger, their look is so full of love that the moment is one that seems destined from the very first episode when Max saved Liz's life and we discovered how much he'd always loved her. And that's what this series was really about"~Kathie Huddleston, SciFiWeekly
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~ Future Thread Titles ~
-He couldn't be without her.
-Her kisses made him feel heaven.
-They couldn't bare to be apart.
-She brought him back.
-Liz couldn't give Max alien herpes....but Tess could!
-She's his everything and he proved it with his life
-In the show, all the books..their love is always amazing
-Fate kicked "Destiny's" ass!
-If the van's rocking, don't bother knocking!
-Because she's the first image that people always saw into Max's mind.
-Because wherever they went... they were there when they got back.
-Because when he got his priorities in order, she was at the top of the list
-Because every kiss and smile came as natural as breathing.
-Because they are each other's destiny
-Because she would go anywhere if it means being with him
-Even after his body became dust, his soul still loved and only wanted her
-Because when he came out from behind the tree, Liz was all he could see
-Because he healed her with his hands and she saved him with a kiss

Previous thread.

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Season 3 Survivor


This survivor is dedicated to the amazing moments of Max and Liz from Roswell during Season 3. The moments are set up in a particular order (by episode) and will be eliminated by which has the most votes. Each episode will have to gain the most amount of votes after four-six have voted in order to be eliminated. You can only vote once per round. There are a total of 18 rounds. Let the games begin!

Round Eleven


#1 - 3x01 Busted!


#2 - 3x02 Michael, The Guys and The Great Snapple Caper


#3 – 3x03 Significant Others
Voted Out Round Eight

#4 - 3x04 Secret and Lies
Voted Out Round Three

#5 - 3x05 Control
Voted Out Round Six

#6 - 3x06 To Have and To Hold
Voted Out Round Eight

#7 - 3x07 Interruptus
Voted Out Round One

#8 - 3x08 Behind the Music
Voted Out Round Two

#9 – 3x09 Samuel Rising
Voted Out Round Ten

#10 - 3x10 A Tale of Two Parties


#11 - 3x11 I Married an Alien
Voted Out Round Four

#12 - 3x12 Ch-Ch-Changes


#13 – 3x13 Panacea
Voted Out Round Five

#14 - 3x14 Chant Down Babylon


#15 - 3x15 Who Died and Made You King
Voted Out Round Nine

#16 - 3x16 Crash


#17 - 3x17 Four Aliens and a Baby


#18 - 3x18 Graduation


Remember to vote for your LEAST Favorite
Remember to think about the Max\Liz moments only, not the episode as a whole.

#1 - 1
#16 - 2
#17 - 1


Keep voting!

The things that they have to cut out for length purposes shame shame. You're probably right though, it was in the script but wasn't filmed. But ya I hear the love scene b\w Max and Liz was filmed...and we didn't get it. Not even in the deleted scenes. SHAME! I have to skip that whole part in It's Too Bad and It's Too Late and the core couple of the show couldn't even get their scene? Insane.

Ya, he trusted her so much in the Pilot. He told her everything pretty much. It's funny by the time Missing came out Max said:
Liz: Can I ask you something?
Max: Sure, but I have to be honest with you, Liz. At this point, I don't think I have any secrets left.
and they weren't even dating yet!
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thank you for the thread
the title is so true

killing each other? they saved each other!

Quote:
Liz: Can I ask you something?
Max: Sure, but I have to be honest with you, Liz. At this point, I don't think I have any secrets left.

love that scene


as for the cut scenes.. for example they did cut some funny scenes too
this one from crash for example:

Liz- Chicago is a long way from here.
Max- I followed you to Vermont, what makes you think I won't go to Illinois?
Liz- You came to Vermont to kill me.
Max- Am I a romantic or what?
Liz- You slay me.

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LOVE the title. So true. When you think about it. Max and Liz came through so much. And showed their weaknesses and especially their strengths in spades. I don't think I could have made it through, half of those obstacles.

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Max: Sure, but I have to be honest with you, Liz. At this point, I don't think I have any secrets left.
From the start they were... Which is when the chips were down; they did trust each other. Which is why Liz keeping the truth about Future Max, Kyle from Max hurt because they did trust each other.

But in the end, they made it through it. And were better for it.

LMAO.....

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Max- I followed you to Vermont, what makes you think I won't go to Illinois?
Liz- You came to Vermont to kill me.
Max- Am I a romantic or what?
Liz- You slay me.
They should have left that scene in... To show that they could have a sense of humor about Vermont. But it was so hilarious...

Max was a romantic in so many ways.

What I liked was the contrast between Max and Michael. Michael could never get it right in the romance department. But Max just knew how to make a girl feel romantic.

Of course it was demented because he technically did go to Vermont to kill Liz. But in a twisted way, it was just another element about Max and Liz.

Because in the end, Liz saved Max's life there... He sacrificed his life for Liz. And Liz brought him back to life with a kiss.

I wish real life was like that...
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love the the art

jasper that scene is really hilarious especially for the double meaning
he's of course a romantic and he kinda proved it even in that occasion because his soul survived for her and he wanted to protect her even if it meant kill himself/Clayton
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It was... Which is why they should have left it in...

Max was truly a romantic. At his core, he just wanted to make Liz happy. He worried so much before they got involved about if it went bad. He didn't want to hurt her. He clearly adored Liz. And if you have a guy who is like that with a woman; that is a good relationship.

He made mistakes. She made mistakes. They weren't perfect. Neither stayed on the pedastal each had the other on...

But still, they were tested but at the core of it, was their friendship and that he truly loved Liz. They were truly a balanced couple and a very unique one at that.
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Love the title and the OP!

Love the art Ken!


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From the start they were... Which is when the chips were down; they did trust each other. Which is why Liz keeping the truth about Future Max, Kyle from Max hurt because they did trust each other.

But in the end, they made it through it. And were better for it.
True. Liz keeping the truth from Max hurt because as he said in The Harvest, "we never lied to each other, never kept a secret from each other." Liz knew Max and where to hit him where it hurt the most. Max probably believed that Liz was lying to him, but he couldn't force her to tell him the truth and accepted the lies she told.


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Max was truly a romantic. At his core, he just wanted to make Liz happy. He worried so much before they got involved about if it went bad. He didn't want to hurt her. He clearly adored Liz. And if you have a guy who is like that with a woman; that is a good relationship.

He made mistakes. She made mistakes. They weren't perfect. Neither stayed on the pedastal each had the other on...

But still, they were tested but at the core of it, was their friendship and that he truly loved Liz. They were truly a balanced couple and a very unique one at that.
I couldn't agree with you more!


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True. Liz keeping the truth from Max hurt because as he said in The Harvest, "we never lied to each other, never kept a secret from each other." Liz knew Max and where to hit him where it hurt the most. Max probably believed that Liz was lying to him, but he couldn't force her to tell him the truth and accepted the lies she told.
So true. I think he only half believed her. I don't think he ever truly down deep believed it. On the surface he may have talked himself into believing it; but deep down...he knew something was up. Liz was holding something back but he couldn't force her to tell him what it was. So he believed it.

And unfortunately it set them both on a path that they probably needed to go through at the time to make them stronger, but I am just glad the truth was out by the end of the season.

Liz knew the buttons to push.

That is usually what happens if you really know someone. The tough times get really tough; but if you're balanced and able to see through it to the end...it's well worth it.
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And unfortunately it set them both on a path that they probably needed to go through at the time to make them stronger, but I am just glad the truth was out by the end of the season.
True. But it would have been great to see Liz come clean to Max about FMax ON SCREEN. Seeing Max and Liz have an honest to goodness talk about her lies and manipulation was definitely needed. Ron Moore said Liz told Max about FMax over the summer after Departure, so Max did find out the truth.


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Liz knew the buttons to push.
She most certainly did. Liz told Tess that she knew Max and offered to help her with him, but it backfired anyway. Then later Liz cut Max deep with that spiel about Romeo and Juliet and wanting to have a normal life with kids. Liz didn't get joy in lying to and hurting Max and she told FMax to go to someone else. Max and Liz needed trials and tribulations to make them stronger, but I believe their future selves were putzes. FMax should have just went to Isabel and Michael from the get-go.
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True. But it would have been great to see Liz come clean to Max about FMax ON SCREEN. Seeing Max and Liz have an honest to goodness talk about her lies and manipulation was definitely needed. Ron Moore said Liz told Max about FMax over the summer after Departure, so Max did find out the truth.
Very true. But the most important tidbit was that Liz hadn't slept with Kyle and it was out. I have said, I would have liked to hear her explain about Future Max and why she kept that such a secret. If not in "Departure." In "Busted". Let us see that Max knew.

Especially since both of them went soon after on a crime spree with both seeming back in co-insion with each other. Trusting each other.

It would have been nice to see a talk that they had... about everything. But then Liz had to continued her Tess resentment until it exploded in the "Changes" arc to give her a reason to run. Their inabiltity to stay and talk to each other. Liz couldn't face Max after those words came spilling out. So she went to boarding school.

But it would have been nice to see, at least a flashback.

But at least one crucial lie was exposed by the end. To bad Max had mucked up his life before the tidbit came out.

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She most certainly did. Liz told Tess that she knew Max and offered to help her with him, but it backfired anyway. Then later Liz cut Max deep with that spiel about Romeo and Juliet and wanting to have a normal life with kids. Liz didn't get joy in lying to and hurting Max and she told FMax to go to someone else. Max and Liz needed trials and tribulations to make them stronger, but I believe their future selves were putzes. FMax should have just went to Isabel and Michael from the get-go.
So true. I could never figure why he didn't see Isabel and Michael. We didn't see the Future selves of them. They were supposed to be dead. If he couldn't see his past self because it would mess up the continuium, why not seek out Isabel or Michael as well. Get some advice. Liz may been up on the alien chao in the 14 months she had known, but still she wasn't an alien. She wouldn't know everything.

But as I said in the past thread, I wonder if the real reason for the "End of the World" episode was so Liz would change the timeline so she would change. So the alien changes would come on her. Would she still had them in the other timeline. Because she didn't start to show sympthoms until the Dupes storyline...after "End of the World".

So that Liz could be a better match for Liz than Tess would be...

Still doesn't explain why Tess had to stay on... Or maybe she had to go down as a villian and have Liz stepped in as the true mate of Liz. One who could handle his current life as well as his past.

Hmmm...
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