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Old 01-04-2020, 10:38 AM
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I personally don’t think the parents knew Alex and liz were in jail, I mean the two just walked out alone. The parents NEVER mentioned it. Also being caught with alcohol at a party was way way less then holding a gun in a robbery attempt!
I forget to look whether it was on Phillip's evidence board LOL. I never questioned it at the time, and it took many rewatches to wonder if yeah Jim was bluffing about having called the parents. Everyone else sketchy from the party had been bailed out by their parents. And yet, when Liz and Alex had barely done anything wrong to that point, Jeff or at least Alex's parents never showed. Yeah, Jim was bluffing. Hoping it would get them to spill, but it didn't.

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I thought Diane and Phillip kicking Max out was way over the top. I agree Diane was the most clueless of the four parents. Seemed odd Diane wouldn’t talk sense into Phillip. But, the writers wanted Max out so he could come and go without the parents asking questions. Although they never seemed concerned s1 or s2 with all the overnight excursions!
Technically it was only Phillip who gave the threat. Max took it further. I think he was hoping it would get Max to tell him what was going on, but Max couldn't lie to him anymore, and and now it would be definitely holding a secret and lying because they were suspicious. Thanks to Utah.

The way Diane was freaking in the aftermath about Max. Made me think it was rash on Phillip, and more his move than Diane's. She would have continued to be oblivious if it meant her son was at home. To Isabel it sounded that Max was more her favorite than her daughter was. Which had to frustrate Isabel, and why she battled with Diane over the wedding, which definitely Diane didn't agree with...

Yeah, I liked Max and Michael as roommates. But yeah it gave them more laditude. But it didn't stop Phillip's questions, and just egged it on.
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Was Philipp supposed to call at the board school where Liz was, and her roommate told him Liz had to return to Roswell because her boyfriend died?
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Old 01-04-2020, 01:21 PM
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Was Philipp supposed to call at the board school where Liz was, and her roommate told him Liz had to return to Roswell because her boyfriend died?
Yeah I it was one of the cut scenes from Who Died and Made You King. Phillip calls the school, and talks to Eileen, who informs him that Liz left because she was grieving because her boyfriend, Max died, and how Maria showed up, which made him even more suspicious.

Tells me they might have done more with that if they hadn't cut those episodes. So, they cut the scene. But would have loved how that had sounded to Phillip. And Michael might not have gotten over Max's death once Max took back the seal as easy, and it might led to more.
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there would be another story there .. but in general I liked the last episodes for Max and Liz except maybe 4aaab
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Old 01-04-2020, 05:03 PM
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Yeah I feel like Max/Liz had a lot to talk about there but for Katims it was more important that Liz and Tess have a closure and it would have been interesting to see the Liz/Max/babyZan dinamic in that one week.
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Old 01-04-2020, 11:12 PM
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OK outside of Tess trying to seal Liz's man I always thought the two had a soft spot for one another. Ok Ok I know ducks and hides from angry dreamers

Anyway what I mean is they had a friend enemies relationship meaning I think if Tess was after another guy then her and Liz could of actually of been friends.

You see glimpses of their friendship in Tess Lies and Video Tape and in Crazy.

Even after all they went though you can see how Liz didn't want Tess to be thrown into the White Room and how Tess wanted to make amends for all the harm she had done.

is: So you're really gonna go and do this huh?

Tess: At least I can do one good thing with my life.

Liz: You just did. Hey, Tess. You're not going to let them throw you in the white room are you?
Tess: No.

She gets out of the car. Burns her way through the fence. Liz hears Shouting and gunfire and then the place blows up.


Ok now back to Max and Liz Dreamer land where all is well and Tess is on a galaxy far far away.
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Old 01-05-2020, 09:37 AM
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Even if I put my hardcore status as Dreamer aside. I really don't think they would have been friends. I think Liz had the sense that Tess was up to something, from the very beginning. Even if you took Max out of the equation. Being that immediately on her arrival, she played games and got Max to kiss her.

Now Ava was someone different, and I see there was a soft part there if she had stayed around. She was different. But the real Tess. Nah, she was different because of how she was raised. Liz was compassionate, but for both of them to really form a friendship, I doubt it.

I think Tess saw Liz as a non factor. Naive.

But who knows if everything was different. Friendships can be with contrasting personalities.
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Old 01-05-2020, 12:53 PM
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If I'm grateful for something, we didn't have to see them play happy family as if nothing happened..

Aw the dupes i wanted Liz and dupe Zan to meet!
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Old 01-05-2020, 03:23 PM
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I'm just going to say there could be a lot of spark there
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I was never a fan of the Dupes. So I didn't need to see it. But I guess I could if only to confirm the fact that maybe there was a Liz on Antar and Zan was just waiting her, and Tess was just the average Royal mate required by being King and needing a Queen.

The fact Max fell for Liz on Earth, in third grade. That has to mean there was more than the simple fact that she was cute, and he was different, and she was the first girl he saw. There was no one else but her.

Which has to mean right that there had to be a Liz on Antar.

Ava seems to think Dupe Zan was waiting for someone else, and her eyes went wide when she realized that Max had healed Liz.

That would have been the only good to see...
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I wish we had seen more of Ava as the season went on. I agree the dupes storyline was pointless to me as well. I wanted more Zan is anything and wanted to know what happened to all of them at the end of Max in the City.
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Ava seems to think Dupe Zan was waiting for someone else, and her eyes went wide when she realized that Max had healed Liz.
The implications....... so bad Liz wasn't that important to Katims.
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Old 01-06-2020, 07:09 AM
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As I have said before. I do think they cared about Liz, and she was important. She was treated better as a character than Max was... Max who turned abrasive and a jerk in the end of Season 2, and dabbled in it early in Season 3. Before he saw the errors of his ways. Liz on the other hand did some questionable things, but she always had the better excuse. For the greater cause. Solving Alex's death.

Of course they could have done things better. The show was struggling for it's run, and we were fortunate to get to Season 3. There was a lot of network interference late Season 1 and for Season 2. I think they could have done much with the stories, if only the show was more of a hit.

Still, Liz looked the best. Max is the one who drove the audience away. I don't blame him for Tess because Liz is the one who threw him at her, and she stayed away, pushed him away. And he's a teenage boy, and they are very weak at times when someone wants them. Liz and he had just had that blow out. Which he was looking the worse of the two.

It was because it was a story drive by finding more about Max's history and she was the human in the story. But I never didn't think they didn't care. I do think they could have done some stuff differently.
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Maybe they didn't care enough, I mean the way Liz was treated at the end of s2 and the first episodes of s3..
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