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Ah! I hate/love tv series.... They are so cool, but makes me stay to much time in the front of the tv watching them... hehehe
Roswell, one of my favorites series, is coming out on dvd on dvd on Oct. 5th and again (it's the second season), I'll spend something like 924 minutes watching everything! It's a dvd box-set with 6 discs... But I like it...hehehehe... And I'm so excited with this release that I already pre-ordered my copy (amazon.com).... |
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Yay, a Roswell thread! Love the show! My favorite character is Michael and after him Liz. Also very fond of Sean DeLuca and the much-maligned Jesse Ramirez, plus I like various other characters. I dislike Isabel and Tess. Rath, the Michael duplicate, was downright cool.
The show does a great job involving you in the characters and their relationships and it's a very classy piece of work overall. Brendan Fehr really makes something of the character of Michael and makes him both the most human and the most alien of the aliens. And Shiri Appleby makes Liz very human and easy to feel for. I just wish they'd had Mulder and Scully turn up in Roswell. Or the cigarette smoking man. Or maybe the Roswell characters visit Smallville. The show's out on dvd now. On the US side of the Atlantic, season 1 is out, with season 2 coming. On my side of the Atlantic, seasons 1 and 2 are out and season 3 is coming in October. (Cryostar: PM) |
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Classy? To me the overall show was not classy. The end of season 2 and season 3 ruined it for me. Bad writing, just bad. Also hotpot There is a Roswell Board |
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I've said my faves are Michael and Liz, with also a particular liking for Sean and Jesse, and that I think Rath is cool. Well... here's some other characters I like: Alex. Great guy well acted. Very human. Jim Valenti. Sadler did a marvellous job with him and gave him complexity and depth. Some characters I like with mixed feelings: Maria (well acted, very alive and often fun but also good at being annoying), Max (could be a real a$$, but very well acted and there's a lot I like about him), Kyle (started out as a jerk and sometimes seemed pointless, but matured into a decent guy and was often great fun).
I'm in favor of Michael/Maria and Max/Liz, though not without some misgivings. Also would have liked if Liz had hooked up with Sean more for real. I think he was better for her than Max. Though I suppose it wouldn't have made as much of a story. Quote:
And the end of season 2 was downright marvellous. Best of all was when Michael decides he belongs on Earth and embraces his humanity. His character really came of age there, lovely moment. I soooo wanted Tess killed though, carrying Max's child or no. I'll never forgive Alex's death. She murdered the decentest guy on the show. And I can't stand characters who casually mess with other people's minds. Last edited by sum1; 09-24-2004 at 11:01 PM |
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I also liked that Michael embraced his humanity. However, I can not agree with their choices not to engage in the reason they were alive. To fight a war. How could anyone just turn their back on their blood family and leave their people to suffer in a war. They betrayed everything about the show. If they never would have brought up the whole civil war and the goal of winning that war. Then I wouldn't have mind that the show took the we just want to not be discovered and live on Earth. However, they did metion it and so it needed to be explored. You can't just bring up a war, a reason for being made in a sci-fi show and then just abandon that entire way of thinking. Of Sci-Fi shows, Roswell was one of the worst in history. I'm not judging based on one or two seasons. However the overall story of the show. It was just disappointing. For me a "true" tv series is not a bunch of short hour long stories. But a long story/movie that can only truely be judged after the end of the show. Each season is like a chapter of the story and each episode a paragraph. You can't just reset what was done the paragraph before but evlove from what has already been written. They didn't do that. They just dropped the alien aspect of the show. I didn't mind Angel the last seasons. However Roswell was one of the worst and betrayed shows to ever grace the screen of tv. The first season was good and built up. Season 2 started out good and then was turned to crap by making Tess evil after they had stressed her importance. Season 3? Well, that is just dead to me. The entire season made no sense. The writers betrayed the basic personalities of the characters of almost everyone on the show. The only one that I could see remaining true to themselves was Michael. I would say Alex as well but he wasn't around for the entire show. Last edited by Subject; 09-24-2004 at 11:28 PM |
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Hmm. Sum1 has saved me the trouble of writing up my own opinions. Just reverse all his posts, and that's what I think.
Roswell started out great, became the worst thing ever to appear on television. Isabel is wonderful. The Interloper is the worst fictional character ever. I loved the last season of Angel! |
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Roswell was a great show from start to finish. It was one of the best things ever on tv. Isabel was awful. Jesse, the so-called "Interloper", was a good character and the real interloper was the unbearable Tess. The last two seasons of Angel were unbelievably awful and included some of the worst tv ever in existence. |
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Roswell was a great show from start to finish. It was one of the best things ever on tv.
Sadly, you're not being sarcastic. For quite a while, I took this show way too seriously, and until the last few episodes of the second season, I really did like it. After that, it was pure crap. Before that, it was pure fluff. Nobody will ever be able to convince me that a show isn't pure crap when the writers didn't remember, or rather, didn't acknowledge and remain consistent with what had happened in even the episode before, and when the two main characters were downright despicable. Liz and Max are two of the most selfish, self-involved, irresponsible, inconsiderate, and *stupid* characters ever. Heroes they are not. And to think that, once upon a time, I liked them. *sigh* What to some people is destroying a character is to others developing the character. Character development should be logical, and consistent with the existing characterizations. The character "development" on Roswell was anything but. There is a big difference between destroying a character in the sense of illogically and irrationally betraying the character's personality and "destroying", or rather, deconstructing, a character in the sense of him/her falling from grace. A perfect example of this would be Londo in Babylon 5. Was the character's personality betrayed? No. Did he become a tragic character? Absolutely. Did it make sense and was it logical and consistent? Hell yes. __________________
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Want better shows on TV? Then stop watching garbage. Farscape made me better. Last edited by enigma777; 09-26-2004 at 01:30 AM |
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Well, I agree about Londo, but not anything else in your post. It's kinda like you saw a totally different show from me. There's plenty threads for awful or seriously overrated shows on this board -Seaquest, Stargate, Xena, Andromeda, Firefly, Lois & Clark, HHGTTG, etc. But this isn't one of them. Most tv is crap and sf tv is no exception. But Roswell is different. There's a lot more to the show than you seem to have seen in it.
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Liz didn't like Max and the alien aspect. So, they forgot about the whole destiny and war issue. Which was the entire reason for the Pod Squad to be there. They can't do that. No matter what anyone says. You can not get rid of a person's basic reason for being. Now if it was said that the war was some how over then I would have thought fine. Season 1 - They were trying to find about themselves and stay hidden. Season 2 - They were trying to fight a war somewhat. While keeping their humanity. Season 3 - They decided to find a child, give him up. (Because he was Tess/Max's and not Liz/Max) And abandon their people. All while thinking, hmm I hope I have a family and get a good job. If I wanted a another basic teen drama, I wouldn't have started watching a show called Roswell Last edited by Subject; 09-26-2004 at 05:24 AM |
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You seem to really hate Roswell. I utterly despise Stargate, have contempt for Andromeda and have major issues with Firefly. But I don't come onto their threads to bash them. I've repeatedy felt like doing so, but I decided it would be bad manners. |
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Human is just a species. The idea of being "human" is greater. I can't see how it is human to abandon your people. Your family, the people who loved you, who saved you. If it was my family that was in a war. Or in trouble in anyway. I would do anything to save them. Right or wrong, good or evil. I wouldn't give up on them because I just wanted to be left alone and be with a girl.
The person I feel most sorry for in Roswell universe is Max/Isabel's real mother. Her children gave up on her and left her to die or be enslaved in a war. I think it's safe to say that we will never agree on almost anything about Roswell. Especially on the issues of Nasedo and Tess. So let's just agree to disagree. Quote:
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And I don't feel they abandonned their alien kin, they did what they could, including their conflict with Kivar. Plus Roswell was cancelled before the story could really end. If it had gotten another season, things might have ended up differently. So I don't buy this whole "they gave up on them" thing. Plus they didn't really know their alien kin, anyway. And they had human kin too, as Michael discovered in season 2. The pod squad had every right to have human lives, which is what they were doing, not trying to be "left a alone with a girl". As for "your family, the people who loved you, who saved you", I'm not so sure about that. Strikes me as more the people who used them as pawns in a conflict and doomed them to an existence trapped between two worlds. And I think the pod squad fitted in better with humanity and Earth than they'd have fitted in on Antar. Quote:
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As for loving a show and hating how it turned out, well, not evereybody has to feel as you do, so I'd appreciate if you allow me to feel about Roswell as I chose. And I don't mean just talking about agreeing to disagree. And frankly I think your view of Roswell is overly narrow, not allowing that the show might have a wider or different spectrum of focus then you thought, not allowing for it to develop within that focus. I don't think Roswell is about the war and the "destiny". That stuff didn't come up until the end of season 1. What Roswell is about is the aliens trying to live among humans, being alienated and trying to fix that. Fixing it being to a large extent achieved via their connections with their human friends and significant others. It's about people who don't fit in trying to find a place for themselves and achieving that through connections with other people. Running off to Antar would have been totally counter to that. Last edited by sum1; 09-26-2004 at 09:49 PM |
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