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Old 09-24-2004, 07:49 PM
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Roswell Appreciation #1

Ah! I hate/love tv series.... They are so cool, but makes me stay to much time in the front of the tv watching them... hehehe
Roswell, one of my favorites series, is coming out on dvd on dvd on Oct. 5th and again (it's the second season), I'll spend something like 924 minutes watching everything! It's a dvd box-set with 6 discs... But I like it...hehehehe... And I'm so excited with this release that I already pre-ordered my copy (amazon.com)....
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Yay, a Roswell thread! Love the show! My favorite character is Michael and after him Liz. Also very fond of Sean DeLuca and the much-maligned Jesse Ramirez, plus I like various other characters. I dislike Isabel and Tess. Rath, the Michael duplicate, was downright cool.

The show does a great job involving you in the characters and their relationships and it's a very classy piece of work overall. Brendan Fehr really makes something of the character of Michael and makes him both the most human and the most alien of the aliens. And Shiri Appleby makes Liz very human and easy to feel for.

I just wish they'd had Mulder and Scully turn up in Roswell. Or the cigarette smoking man. Or maybe the Roswell characters visit Smallville.

The show's out on dvd now. On the US side of the Atlantic, season 1 is out, with season 2 coming. On my side of the Atlantic, seasons 1 and 2 are out and season 3 is coming in October.

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I dislike Isabel and Tess.

The show does a great job involving you in the characters and their relationships and it's a very classy piece of work overall.
sum1 I think that is safe to say on the subject of Roswell we won't agree on character likes.

Classy? To me the overall show was not classy. The end of season 2 and season 3 ruined it for me. Bad writing, just bad.

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I've said my faves are Michael and Liz, with also a particular liking for Sean and Jesse, and that I think Rath is cool. Well... here's some other characters I like: Alex. Great guy well acted. Very human. Jim Valenti. Sadler did a marvellous job with him and gave him complexity and depth. Some characters I like with mixed feelings: Maria (well acted, very alive and often fun but also good at being annoying), Max (could be a real a$$, but very well acted and there's a lot I like about him), Kyle (started out as a jerk and sometimes seemed pointless, but matured into a decent guy and was often great fun).

I'm in favor of Michael/Maria and Max/Liz, though not without some misgivings. Also would have liked if Liz had hooked up with Sean more for real. I think he was better for her than Max. Though I suppose it wouldn't have made as much of a story.
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sum1 I think that is safe to say on the subject of Roswell we won't agree on character likes.

Classy? To me the overall show was not classy. The end of season 2 and season 3 ruined it for me. Bad writing, just bad.

Also hotpot There is a Roswell Board
I gotta say, I disagree about bad writing or not being classy. Roswell strikes me as one of the classiest around. As for bad writing, well, that's Angel in recent seasons, not Roswell. Not to say Roswell didn't make some mistakes, but it went far less wrong than a lot of shows.

And the end of season 2 was downright marvellous. Best of all was when Michael decides he belongs on Earth and embraces his humanity. His character really came of age there, lovely moment. I soooo wanted Tess killed though, carrying Max's child or no. I'll never forgive Alex's death. She murdered the decentest guy on the show. And I can't stand characters who casually mess with other people's minds.
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And the end of season 2 was downright marvellous. Best of all was when Michael decides he belongs on Earth and embraces his humanity.
I'm a Rebel as Max/Tess fan. Like many of us and some others who are not Rebels we believe that the entire story of Tess being evil was pulled out of nowhere. In an attempt to make Tess "evil" because the show was ending or so we thought. Because it would please a lot of Tess haters who are/were the majority of fans.

I also liked that Michael embraced his humanity. However, I can not agree with their choices not to engage in the reason they were alive. To fight a war. How could anyone just turn their back on their blood family and leave their people to suffer in a war. They betrayed everything about the show. If they never would have brought up the whole civil war and the goal of winning that war. Then I wouldn't have mind that the show took the we just want to not be discovered and live on Earth. However, they did metion it and so it needed to be explored. You can't just bring up a war, a reason for being made in a sci-fi show and then just abandon that entire way of thinking.

Of Sci-Fi shows, Roswell was one of the worst in history. I'm not judging based on one or two seasons. However the overall story of the show. It was just disappointing. For me a "true" tv series is not a bunch of short hour long stories. But a long story/movie that can only truely be judged after the end of the show. Each season is like a chapter of the story and each episode a paragraph. You can't just reset what was done the paragraph before but evlove from what has already been written. They didn't do that. They just dropped the alien aspect of the show.


I didn't mind Angel the last seasons. However Roswell was one of the worst and betrayed shows to ever grace the screen of tv. The first season was good and built up. Season 2 started out good and then was turned to crap by making Tess evil after they had stressed her importance. Season 3? Well, that is just dead to me. The entire season made no sense.

The writers betrayed the basic personalities of the characters of almost everyone on the show. The only one that I could see remaining true to themselves was Michael. I would say Alex as well but he wasn't around for the entire show.

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I'm a Rebel as Max/Tess fan. Like many of us and some others who are not Rebels we believe that the entire story of Tess being evil was pulled out of nowhere. In an attempt to make Tess "evil" because the show was ending or so we thought. Because it would please a lot of Tess haters who are/were the majority of fans.
Well, Tess seemed kinda sinister to me from the very beginning and I was feeling there was something not quite right with her throughout season 2, so the storyline of her being evil and a traitor never seem pulled out of nowhere to me. It seemed to fit real well, actually.
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I also liked that Michael embraced his humanity. However, I can not agree with their choices not to engage in the reason they were alive. To fight a war. How could anyone just turn their back on their blood family and leave their people to suffer in a war. They betrayed everything about the show. If they never would have brought up the whole civil war and the goal of winning that war. Then I wouldn't have mind that the show took the we just want to not be discovered and live on Earth. However, they did metion it and so it needed to be explored. You can't just bring up a war, a reason for being made in a sci-fi show and then just abandon that entire way of thinking.
I admit I wasn't entirely satisfied with that either, but for a number of reasons I'm too tired go into right now, I felt it worked out ok despite that. Certainly I feel that a lot of shows end up with problems of that sort that are much worse.
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Of Sci-Fi shows, Roswell was one of the worst in history. I'm not judging based on one or two seasons. However the overall story of the show. It was just disappointing. For me a "true" tv series is not a bunch of short hour long stories. But a long story/movie that can only truely be judged after the end of the show. Each season is like a chapter of the story and each episode a paragraph. You can't just reset what was done the paragraph before but evlove from what has already been written. They didn't do that. They just dropped the alien aspect of the show.
Personally, I feel Roswell was one of the very best sf shows ever. And that conclusion comes from a lot of careful consideration and comparision. And I think they did far better on the overall story than most shows do.
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I didn't mind Angel the last seasons. However Roswell was one of the worst and betrayed shows to ever grace the screen of tv. The first season was good and built up. Season 2 started out good and then was turned to crap by making Tess evil after they had stressed her importance. Season 3? Well, that is just dead to me. The entire season made no sense.
I found Angel in recent seasons to be unbelievably bad and to be an utter betrayal of everything the show had started out as and of the audience. And I feel the show made zero sense later on and lost all credibility. And watching it ended up being like drowning in a super-heated mix of sewage, barf and charcoal. As for Roswell, I feel it did indeed "grace" the tv screen. I think it was one of the best shows ever on tv. Season one and two were both great (though not perfect) and season 3 had its faults but plenty of good too.
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The writers betrayed the basic personalities of the characters of almost everyone on the show. The only one that I could see remaining true to themselves was Michael. I would say Alex as well but he wasn't around for the entire show.
What to some people is destroying a character is to others developing the character. And from what I've seen, I'd say that sort of disagreement probably comes up in all shows' discussions. Some characters are certainly destroyed on shows, but some just develop and change. I guess we just don't agree which is which.
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Hmm. Sum1 has saved me the trouble of writing up my own opinions. Just reverse all his posts, and that's what I think.

Roswell started out great, became the worst thing ever to appear on television.

Isabel is wonderful.

The Interloper is the worst fictional character ever.

I loved the last season of Angel!

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Hmm. Sum1 has saved me the trouble of writing up my own opinions. Just reverse all his posts, and that's what I think.

Roswell started out great, became the worst thing ever to appear on television.

Isabel is wonderful.

The Interloper is the worst fictional character ever.

I loved the last season of Angel!

Hiya Brian, deluded as ever I see.

Roswell was a great show from start to finish. It was one of the best things ever on tv.

Isabel was awful.

Jesse, the so-called "Interloper", was a good character and the real interloper was the unbearable Tess.

The last two seasons of Angel were unbelievably awful and included some of the worst tv ever in existence.
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Roswell was a great show from start to finish. It was one of the best things ever on tv.

Sadly, you're not being sarcastic.

For quite a while, I took this show way too seriously, and until the last few episodes of the second season, I really did like it. After that, it was pure crap. Before that, it was pure fluff. Nobody will ever be able to convince me that a show isn't pure crap when the writers didn't remember, or rather, didn't acknowledge and remain consistent with what had happened in even the episode before, and when the two main characters were downright despicable.

Liz and Max are two of the most selfish, self-involved, irresponsible, inconsiderate, and *stupid* characters ever. Heroes they are not.

And to think that, once upon a time, I liked them. *sigh*

What to some people is destroying a character is to others developing the character.

Character development should be logical, and consistent with the existing characterizations. The character "development" on Roswell was anything but.

There is a big difference between destroying a character in the sense of illogically and irrationally betraying the character's personality and "destroying", or rather, deconstructing, a character in the sense of him/her falling from grace. A perfect example of this would be Londo in Babylon 5. Was the character's personality betrayed? No. Did he become a tragic character? Absolutely. Did it make sense and was it logical and consistent? Hell yes.
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Well, I agree about Londo, but not anything else in your post. It's kinda like you saw a totally different show from me. There's plenty threads for awful or seriously overrated shows on this board -Seaquest, Stargate, Xena, Andromeda, Firefly, Lois & Clark, HHGTTG, etc. But this isn't one of them. Most tv is crap and sf tv is no exception. But Roswell is different. There's a lot more to the show than you seem to have seen in it.
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Well, Tess seemed kinda sinister to me from the very beginning and I was feeling there was something not quite right with her throughout season 2, so the storyline of her being evil and a traitor never seem pulled out of nowhere to me. It seemed to fit real well, actually.
Tess seemed sinister because she was meant to early on. She was raised by Nasedo after all. However, Tess if the deal was true had many chances to help it along and help her "allies". She could have let Max and the others get tortured by Nicholas. She could have tried to make Max give Kivar the Granalith. Just to name a few.


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Certainly I feel that a lot of shows end up with problems of that sort that are much worse.
Worse then abandoning the reason for characters to exsist? Worse then making main characters disappear? Worse then turning the heroes of the show into selfish love sick dogs?

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Personally, I feel Roswell was one of the very best sf shows ever. And that conclusion comes from a lot of careful consideration and comparision. And I think they did far better on the overall story than most shows do.
Roswell can't be one of the best sci-fi shows ever when it almost threw away all ascpet of sci-fi. The only left that was sci-fi about the show was the fact that these characters were alien. Nothing else. Alf had an alien but that doesn't make it a great sci-fi show.

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I What to some people is destroying a character is to others developing the character. And from what I've seen, I'd say that sort of disagreement probably comes up in all shows' discussions. Some characters are certainly destroyed on shows, but some just develop and change. I guess we just don't agree which is which.
It seemed to me that the characters that Liz didn't like became "evil". Tess was made evil after they tried to make people like her more. When that wasn't happening they decided, hmm well lets make her evil. Liz hated Nasedo because he was a "killer" Nasedo did what he had to do in a war. He was protecting his people's only hope. However, lets make him evil as well. Even though he died warning Max of their enemies.

Liz didn't like Max and the alien aspect. So, they forgot about the whole destiny and war issue. Which was the entire reason for the Pod Squad to be there. They can't do that. No matter what anyone says. You can not get rid of a person's basic reason for being. Now if it was said that the war was some how over then I would have thought fine.


Season 1 - They were trying to find about themselves and stay hidden.

Season 2 - They were trying to fight a war somewhat. While keeping their humanity.

Season 3 - They decided to find a child, give him up. (Because he was Tess/Max's and not Liz/Max) And abandon their people. All while thinking, hmm I hope I have a family and get a good job.

If I wanted a another basic teen drama, I wouldn't have started watching a show called Roswell

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Tess seemed sinister because she was meant to early on. She was raised by Nasedo after all. However, Tess if the deal was true had many chances to help it along and help her "allies". She could have let Max and the others get tortured by Nicholas. She could have tried to make Max give Kivar the Granalith. Just to name a few.
No, Tess always seemed to me like there was something not right about her. Not just early on when she was new, but also from then on and throughout all of season 2. I never found her a character I felt I could trust. And of course the deal was real. And "helping her allies" would have screwed up her completing the deal the way she wanted it completed, so naturally she didn't betray the others until she was ready.
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Worse then abandoning the reason for characters to exsist? Worse then making main characters disappear? Worse then turning the heroes of the show into selfish love sick dogs?
Well, you see, I don't think Roswell did those things. Not everybody sees Roswell the way you do. (And no, I don't consider valid killing or removing of main characters to be "disappearing" them, at least not in the sense of it being some sort of foul faux pas.)
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Roswell can't be one of the best sci-fi shows ever when it almost threw away all ascpet of sci-fi. The only left that was sci-fi about the show was the fact that these characters were alien. Nothing else. Alf had an alien but that doesn't make it a great sci-fi show.
Almost threw away all aspect of sf my a$$. Bunch of super-powered aliens running around Earth? Oh yeah, nothing whatsoever sf about that. Roswell was an sf show and it was one of the best tv shows ever, better than the vast majority of sf shows or tv shows of ther types. Hence it was one of the best sf shows ever.
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It seemed to me that the characters that Liz didn't like became "evil". Tess was made evil after they tried to make people like her more. When that wasn't happening they decided, hmm well lets make her evil. Liz hated Nasedo because he was a "killer" Nasedo did what he had to do in a war. He was protecting his people's only hope. However, lets make him evil as well. Even though he died warning Max of their enemies.
Nasedo was a cold, ruthless, murderous b@stard whose only hint of principles was devotion to some form of the Antarian royal cause. And that got twisted into trying to get Tess and Max's kid safely back on Antar, at the cost of eventually betraying three of the royal 4. His death was in service to that cause. He was evil by any human definition, however some aliens might view him. You say it was a war? Yeah it was, and he did plenty things that could be called war crimes. That's generally considered pretty d@mn evil. Tess was raised by him, it's no wonder she didn't turn out a good person.
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Liz didn't like Max and the alien aspect. So, they forgot about the whole destiny and war issue. Which was the entire reason for the Pod Squad to be there. They can't do that. No matter what anyone says. You can not get rid of a person's basic reason for being. Now if it was said that the war was some how over then I would have thought fine.
No, they didn't just forget about the war. Heck, they even killed number one bad guy Kivar. Which was, to say the least of it, of major significance for the war. And no, the war wasn't the Pod squad's reason for being. It was the reason they were made, yeah, but they were living beings with their own free will. Their reason for being was to live their own lives, wherever that might take them, just like anybody else, human or alien. And let's not forget, they were half human, not pure alien.
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Season 3 - They decided to find a child, give him up. (Because he was Tess/Max's and not Liz/Max) And abandon their people. All while thinking, hmm I hope I have a family and get a good job.
Season 3 was when they killed the big villain of the show, the guy who was oppressing their people. Or one of their peoples, seeing as the were half human and the human race was also their people. And they gave up the child so he could have a more human life than they felt they could give him. And they chose to try to live human lives themselves. The show was giving a message about the value of being a human being and living an ordinary human life.
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If I wanted a another basic teen drama, I wouldn't have started watching a show called Roswell
If Roswell was "another basic teen drama" I wouldn't be so enthusiastic about it and I wouldn't be spending so much time posting here defending it.

You seem to really hate Roswell. I utterly despise Stargate, have contempt for Andromeda and have major issues with Firefly. But I don't come onto their threads to bash them. I've repeatedy felt like doing so, but I decided it would be bad manners.
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Human is just a species. The idea of being "human" is greater. I can't see how it is human to abandon your people. Your family, the people who loved you, who saved you. If it was my family that was in a war. Or in trouble in anyway. I would do anything to save them. Right or wrong, good or evil. I wouldn't give up on them because I just wanted to be left alone and be with a girl.

The person I feel most sorry for in Roswell universe is Max/Isabel's real mother. Her children gave up on her and left her to die or be enslaved in a war.


I think it's safe to say that we will never agree on almost anything about Roswell. Especially on the issues of Nasedo and Tess. So let's just agree to disagree.


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You seem to really hate Roswell. But I don't come onto their threads to bash them. I've repeatedy felt like doing so, but I decided it would be bad manners.
This is not an appreciation thread. It is a discussion thread. I'm not bashing Roswell and I don't "hate" it. I, as a fan of the show just feel betrayed. A show that I loved and posted so passionately about went into the trash for me. Thats a horrible thing. Roswell was the one show that I loved perhaps more then any other show. If it feels to you that I am bashing it, then it is only because I feel so deeply about this show. I felt disappointed in the direction that was taken with it and the writing of it. I could never watch a show that I hated. I loved the idea that Roswell was based on and tried to build on. Then they went and had re-construction. It makes me sick just thinking about it.

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Human is just a species. The idea of being "human" is greater. I can't see how it is human to abandon your people. Your family, the people who loved you, who saved you. If it was my family that was in a war. Or in trouble in anyway. I would do anything to save them. Right or wrong, good or evil. I wouldn't give up on them because I just wanted to be left alone and be with a girl.
No, in Roswell, being fully human in a humane sort of way is shown to be mostly a human species thing, with full aliens being shown to be more ruthless and unprincipled, having a truly alien mentality. They keep talking about the harsher side of the pod squads' personalites as their "alien" sides. So in Roswell "the idea of being human" fully is kinda restricted to the human species.

And I don't feel they abandonned their alien kin, they did what they could, including their conflict with Kivar. Plus Roswell was cancelled before the story could really end. If it had gotten another season, things might have ended up differently. So I don't buy this whole "they gave up on them" thing. Plus they didn't really know their alien kin, anyway. And they had human kin too, as Michael discovered in season 2. The pod squad had every right to have human lives, which is what they were doing, not trying to be "left a alone with a girl".

As for "your family, the people who loved you, who saved you", I'm not so sure about that. Strikes me as more the people who used them as pawns in a conflict and doomed them to an existence trapped between two worlds. And I think the pod squad fitted in better with humanity and Earth than they'd have fitted in on Antar.
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The person I feel most sorry for in Roswell universe is Max/Isabel's real mother. Her children gave up on her and left her to die or be enslaved in a war.
Not the way I see it. She dragged her children back from death to use them as pawns in a war and doomed them to be trapped between two species, two worlds, two lives. She projected a nicey-nicey human hologram and played up the nice-and-compassionate manner, but I never bought that as being anything to judge her true nature by. And I got the impression she was dead by now, anyway.
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This is not an appreciation thread. It is a discussion thread. I'm not bashing Roswell and I don't "hate" it. I, as a fan of the show just feel betrayed. A show that I loved and posted so passionately about went into the trash for me. Thats a horrible thing. Roswell was the one show that I loved perhaps more then any other show. If it feels to you that I am bashing it, then it is only because I feel so deeply about this show. I felt disappointed in the direction that was taken with it and the writing of it. I could never watch a show that I hated. I loved the idea that Roswell was based on and tried to build on. Then they went and had re-construction. It makes me sick just thinking about it.
Strikes me you pretty much came in here and told me I couldn't like Roswell because you'd decided it was a load of crap. This might not be an appreciation thread, but I bet the Stargate posters wouldn't much appreciate it if I came into their thread and told them how I consider their show an obscene piece of cheap cynical money-making, heartless soulless plastic crap churned out to make a buck, made with zero intelligence, zero feeling and incredibly awful acting. I gave that stuff a chance, but it makes my stomache churn. And seeing it so popular when good stuff is gone or ignored p1sses me off bigtime. Plus I think crap like that gives sf a bad name.

As for loving a show and hating how it turned out, well, not evereybody has to feel as you do, so I'd appreciate if you allow me to feel about Roswell as I chose. And I don't mean just talking about agreeing to disagree.

And frankly I think your view of Roswell is overly narrow, not allowing that the show might have a wider or different spectrum of focus then you thought, not allowing for it to develop within that focus. I don't think Roswell is about the war and the "destiny". That stuff didn't come up until the end of season 1. What Roswell is about is the aliens trying to live among humans, being alienated and trying to fix that. Fixing it being to a large extent achieved via their connections with their human friends and significant others. It's about people who don't fit in trying to find a place for themselves and achieving that through connections with other people. Running off to Antar would have been totally counter to that.
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And I don't feel they abandonned their alien kin, they did what they could, including their conflict with Kivar.
Kivar went to them. They didn't even try to go to him. I call that either the dumbest thinking for a leader or that they abandoned their people.

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Plus Roswell was cancelled before the story could really end. If it had gotten another season, things might have ended up differently.
If Season 3 became season 4 and they worked it to a point where things made sense. Sense for them to give up on the war, for Tess/Nasedo to betray them, ect. Then I would have a completely different view of the show overall.

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The pod squad had every right to have human lives, which is what they were doing, not trying to be "left a alone with a girl".
I agree, they have ever right to lead their own lives. However, when your life and what you do/or say(basicly in position if greta power) will affect others in such a profound way. You have a responsiblity to the people. That can't be ignored.

Do you watch The West Wing? Remember when the Presidents daughter was kidnapped? He envoked the 25th. Removing himself from power because he knew he might not act in the interest for his people. That's a leader.

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Strikes me as more the people who used them as pawns in a conflict and doomed them to an existence trapped between two worlds. And I think the pod squad fitted in better with humanity and Earth than they'd have fitted in on Antar.
We will never really know. I wish we would it would help to clear some things up if they would have went to Antar.

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Not the way I see it. She dragged her children back from death to use them as pawns in a war and doomed them to be trapped between two species, two worlds, two lives.
Her children were the leaders of their people. To say that they were not all ready involved is uncanny. All of us are trapped by something. I'm many different races of human. Do I blame my parents for this? No, I move past it. I deal if people have a problem it's their problem.

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Strikes me you pretty much came in here and told me I couldn't like Roswell because you'd decided it was a load of crap.
I never tried to force you to think anything. I was just stating my opinion. And it is my opinion that Roswell overall was bad.

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This might not be an appreciation thread, but I bet the Stargate posters wouldn't much appreciate it if I came into their thread and told them how I consider their show an obscene piece of.....
The Stargate threads are for appreciation. This was opened by a poster who said and I quote. "Ah! I hate/love tv series.... " Since this is the Sci-Fi board and we have a Roswell board. I assume that this is a place to not only talk about what you like about the show but also what you disliked about it.

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As for loving a show and hating how it turned out, well, not evereybody has to feel as you do, so I'd appreciate if you allow me to feel about Roswell as I chose.
I know that everyone doesn't feel like me. It would be a borning place if everyone did. I have never tried to stop you from feeling a certain way. Again, I am only expressing my opinion. You are free to do so as well. I would never try to deny anyone that basic right. I'm sorry if you felt that I was trying to "control" your way of thinking.

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And frankly I think your view of Roswell is overly narrow, not allowing that the show might have a wider or different spectrum of focus then you thought, not allowing for it to develop within that focus.
The same could be said about you view on the show. Or anyone's view for that matter.

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I don't think Roswell is about the war and the "destiny". That stuff didn't come up until the end of season 1.
In the first episode it was about finding their alien past. Ever since photos with the sliver hand print was seen by Liz. They found that past and learned their purpose. So the war and "destiny" was a huge driving force and the most source of sf for the show. They didn't have to make it a war but they did. Because wars get attention. They are important.

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What Roswell is about is the aliens trying to live among humans, being alienated and trying to fix that. Fixing it being to a large extent achieved via their connections with their human friends and significant others.
You can't fix feeling alienated some times when you come from different worlds. You can only try to understand and accept that fact. That you will always be different, special.

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It's about people who don't fit in trying to find a place for themselves and achieving that through connections with other people. Running off to Antar would have been totally counter to that.
I would agree with that but they introduced a war into the mix. They didn't have to make it a war. It could have been something different. They could have been abandoned or whatever. You can still make connections with people while trying to help save your people in a war. Especially if you are the last hope for your people. Not only yours but all of the Royal Families of your system.
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