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Old 01-01-2004, 10:58 PM
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Alien Quadrilogy Apreciation Thread #1 [cuz those aliens is nice on the inside]

Hhhhhmmmmm where to begin.....um.....ya.....ALIENS

ROCK! not just normal aliens [img]smilies/ufo.gif[/img] ...ALIENS ALIENS,

as in the movie ALIENS!!!! ya and i love it and i hope

sum1 out there does too.... [img]smilies/look.gif[/img]

anyhoo....ya....POST POST POST!
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Old 05-08-2010, 07:29 PM
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Alien Movies Series Discussion #1:

Alien, Aliens, Alien3, Alien Resurrection and the various Alien/Predator movies.

I've been watching some of these recently and felt like discussing them here.

The first one, Alien, is a rather limited film. Kind of primitive. Ian Holm makes an annoying robot. The cat was my favorite part, along with the fact that it survives. Yaphet Kotto was good. But the characters aren't really developed.

The second one, Aliens, is most people's favorite, but not mine. It's a much better film than the first one, but still kind of limited. The marines include some good characters (notably Hicks and Vasquez). Paul Reiser is good as Burke. The kid is slightly annoying. Lance Henriksen is very good as a robot. Bill Paxton's marine is a Pain In The Butt. And of course Sigourney Weaver is good. The aliens are made satisfyingly scary, the queen in particular. The best part of the film is from when Ripley goes back to find the kid onwards. Good stuff. But the film overall only goes so far, doesn't feel terribly real, with character portrayal feeling not quite right. Still, the film certainly has its merits.

The third film, Aliens3, is better made overall but not as much fun as #2 and kind of depressing, plus the aliens aren't half as scary as they were before. Charles Dutton and Charles Dance are both very good. There are numerous annoying characters, though. Character portrayal feels more real than in the last two. There's plenty atmosphere. Things generally feel more real than in the previous two films. But the film still doesn't work 100% And it's annoying how they kill off the previous film's survivors (except Ripley) in the beginning of the film. I get the impression Michael Biehn was pretty pissed off about that and I can sympathize -he's killed off in most films he's in. The director is David Fincher, who directed Fight Club.

The fourth, Alien Resurrection, is my favorite. It's just generally more interesting and works better. And Winona Ryder is really good as the android Call. I'd say she's the most relatable character in all four films. She makes the film. Ron Perlman's presence is welcome, and Dan Hedaya's. Kim Flowers is sexy and killed off too soon. Vriess is annoying -every film has to have at least one annoying character. Brad Dourif and J E Freeman are good. Sigourney Weaver turns in a good performance as a semi-alien Ripley clone.
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Old 05-10-2010, 05:12 AM
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My favourite is Aliens, yes the kid is annoying, but i just like everything about it.

Alien comes second....the others, i just try to pretend they don't exist, especially Alien 3. There was just so many continuity mistakes in it, its just a joke. Alien Resurection isn't as bad as the third, but nowhere near as good as Aliens. Of course thats just my opinion
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:05 AM
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You forgot Ron Perlman. Aliens 4 has Ron Perlman
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Old 05-10-2010, 03:25 PM
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I didn't forget Ron Perlman. See lines 2 and 3 of my paragraph on the film.

The first Alien film really isn't much use. It gives you very little real connection with the characters and the film just isn't built right. The alien is scary, though, and the cat is nice. But I didn't care much about the people, because we weren't given a real connection with them.

I'm not fond of Alien3. It's a downer and very negative. But the character portrayal feels more real than in the two previous films and there's a lot of atmosphere. It's a well-made film, just not a likable one.
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Old 05-12-2010, 04:11 AM
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Re the connected Predator franchise, the guy who wrote the original film is called John Thomas.
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Doh, my bad. You did mention him.

So, I see you didn't mention AVP.
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I don't recognize that Predators crap. The aliens are inspired scary monsters. The predators are just a boring cliche warrior race, not especially scary and also annoying. The first Predator film was ok, but 2 wasn't much use. The Predator stuff should never have infected the Alien franchise. There was a lot of bullcrap comics and video games putting the two franchises together before AVP ever happened, and that was bad enough, without them also dragging the contamination into the movies. AVP was a cheap cash-in. Boring movie full of cliche. Sanaa Lathan wasn't bad in it, but the film was pathetic. And it wouldn't stop beating you over the head about how cool the Predators supposedly are. There's a second AVP movie too, god knows why.
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You mean the, "Hey, look at this cool weapon". Or "I have this cool weapon".

I take it you won't be seeing the Preadtors movie this summer then
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They actually made two of those bloody AVP movies. One was bad enough. Both totally lame. Serious misuse of the Alien thing.

Also, the Predator and Alien creatures are in no way comparable. The Alien is a brilliantly designed scary-as-hell evocation of the archetype of the predatory carnivore, something sunk deep in the human psych. It resonates. The Predator is just a bland version of stereotypes of the hunter and the fierce warrior race. There is depth in the Alien. There is none in the Predator. One should not have been contaminated with the other. Also, there's a whole annoying macho pose in the Predator.

The AVP movies reduce the Alien franchise to basically just cheap slasher movies. Awful movies. I think the second is even worse than the first.

Apparently, Ridley Scott plans to make two Alien prequel films. I don't have much hope that anything good will be added to the franchise at this stage, so I don't expect much from them. Also, they're going to be in 3D.
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I found AVP 2 to be much better than AVP. It was a truer scenario, where the aliens really would have won if not for tact nukes.

As for the prequel....supposedly the story will center on the navigator that we saw in the hive, the one when they were exploring the ship the first time
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AVP 2 was a crappy film with no saving graces. I couldn't care about any of the characters. I didn't care much about anybody in AVP 1 either, but Sanaa Lathan wasn't bad. Plausible scenario? Maybe, but that's a small point next to how crappy the film was. I just don't see the point in making films like that. And I don't know whose bright idea it was to put the Aliens in the present day, but being set a good ways in the future is an important part of the Alien thing. Sticking it in the present was yet another thing that cheapened it in the AVP films.

Yeah, the prequel's supposed to be about the space jockey. I guess they figured it was time to go back and that up, too. It's so much better left unexplained. Some people don't seem to get that some things are better left to the imagination.
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What is this "imagination" of which you speak? Is that like THinking?

AVP is a hard concept to make in a film. The point of any AVP is mutual annhilation of all parties involved. Everyone should die, and that juts doesn't make for a successful movie.
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There's a point to AVP?
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nihlism?

Did you ever watch dead set? That's what I loved about that mini....it was Nihlistic...as a zombie apocolypse should be.
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