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At the end of the last thread, we were discussing this article. Bringing over the last few posts from thread 3:

Originally Posted by Comfortably Numb (View Post) Interesting article. I don't much about biology, but yeah culturally it is less acceptable for men to feel pain then women. That I think is taught to us at a young age.

Originally Posted by Gray Ghost (View Post) What if men had babies and women didn't? Would you females prefer it that way or the way it is? Or would you prefer for men to be put in female bodies and experience childbirth as women? This sounds like the next Jennifer Aniston Adam Sandler or Reese Witherspoon romantic comedy. Hollywood loves crap. I better call them.

Originally Posted by _vega_ (View Post) I would personally prefer it if men had babies instead of women . I'm seriously dreading childbirth, I don't want to have a baby in the next five to ten years though. I think it's funny how those results came out. Usually, in my experience with my family and friends, the men tend to be more affected when sick.

Originally Posted by Gray Ghost (View Post) So men in their male bodies having babies or men in female bodies having babies? If you don't want to have a baby, then don't. There's nothing wrong with adoption. There's also nothing wrong with not having a baby too. I think it's a little sexist and somewhat rude when people belittle women if they are not married and/or don't have children. The same could be said when people belittle men over the same thing. Marriage and kids aren't for everyone.

[sunnykerr]

The thing I don't understand is why we're talking about adoption.

What does it have to do with the different levels of pain men and women may or may not be experiencing? Or what does it have to do with Women's Rights?

I don't mind broadening the discussion, but it seems to me like we're just trying to get super off-topic reactions in order to pretend to be incensed at something completely ridiculous that no one said.

The point was to get us back to topic. If talking about why it could be that the two genders experience or feel like they experience different levels of pain doesn't particularly interest anyone as topic in connection to Women's Rights, then just say so and I will try to find something.

Or someone else could also post a new story.

[Gray Ghost]

Adoption and babies have a lot to do with women's rights. Silly goose.
It's a sexist view to think that women have to be moms and have several babies.

[Comfortably Numb]

Tftnt!

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Originally Posted by Gray Ghost (View Post) It's a sexist view to think that women have to be moms and have several babies.

Is anyone saying this, though? I don't see it.

[_vega_]

Thanks for the new thread, I love the title.

I really don't get where this conversation is going. Am I being called sexist because I'd like to have a kid at some point in my life? .

[Gray Ghost]

Who said women weren't people? I find that accusation sexist and rude.

[_vega_]

What?

[Gray Ghost]

The title of the thread should be changed to something that is not sexist and rude about women. Of course, women are people. And why do women have to have a moment in order to be people? They already are people.

[Comfortably Numb]

It is a little satirical, but the title works. It's not sexist.

[sunnykerr]

The title is satyrical. The title is fine.

How about answering Dan's question?

Jacob, you said:

It's a sexist view to think that women have to be moms and have several babies.

Dan wanted to know who here made that statement? Or, possibly, just where such a statement comes from.

[Comfortably Numb]

I don't like statements like that. Biology is destiny crap irks me.

[Gray Ghost]

The boogey man said it.

[sunnykerr]

If you're not going to take it seriously, Jacob, I don't understand why you bother addressing serious comments.

Domestic violence laws are not enough: Rights groups Colombian domestic violence laws will not work as long as attackers go unpunished, said women's groups Friday. Responding to a raft of new government measures aimed at preventing violence against women, NGOs told Colombia Reports that the real issue was not being tackled. While important legislation had been passed in Colombia and across Latin America, following decades of campaigning by activists, there remained "almost total impunity for perpetrators of violence against women -- across the board," said Amanda Klasing, Americas researcher for Human Rights Watch's Women's Rights Division. Klasing said, "This impunity creates a distrust of the judicial system, resulting in more than 80% of victims of gender-based violence in Colombia reluctant to report crimes committed against them." A 2010 study by Colombia's national Legal Medicine Institute found that a woman was killed every four days by her partner, while a UN report the same year found that half of Colombian men admitting abusing their wives or girlfriends. Decrees announced by the Colombian government Wednesday laid out policies for public officials and medical professionals to follow to make sure Ley 1257 -- a historic piece of 2008 legislation dealing with the prevention and punishment of violence and discrimination against women -- was properly implemented. Measures included making sure men who posed a danger to their partners were removed from their homes, teaching children about domestic violence, obliging medical professionals to report suspected cases, and sanctions for workplace discrimination against women. Diana Mollina, project coordinator at CERFAMI, a Medellin-based domestic violence organization, said no amount of legislation could be effective until there was a transformation of social attitudes towards women. Mollina said, "For the legislation to be effectively implemented we have to socially delegitimize gender-based violence, [ensure] it is not justified under any circumstances." She called for "actions [to] transform thoughts, beliefs and practises, ones which question established power dynamics and gender roles which cause discrimination, and which promote genuine equality between men and women." To truly tackle violence against women, said Klasing, there had to be a concerted effort to investigate and effectively prosecute it. "Ending violence against women is simply not a priority to top government officials," she said. "New policies must be accompanied by a commitment to hold officials at every level of government accountable for implementing them." According to Mollina, "The decrees give weight to the state's intention to eradicate [the violence] that occurs on a daily basis in our country -- but they're not enough." The government had to back up its policies with financial and human resources to strengthen the Prosecutor General, the Legal Medicine department, the National Police, and judges, among others, she said. Meanwhile, Colombian medical professionals voiced opposition to the proposal they be obliged to report suspected cases of domestic violence, reported Radio Caracol. "We cannot turn into a police authority," said Rodrigo Cordoba, president of the Colombian Association of Scientific Societies, adding that the proposal would completely violate the confidentiality principle enshrined in medical ethics.

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One woman killed by her partner is a scary statistic, and I don't say that thinking that it means it's worse in Colombia than it is anywhere else. Objectively speaking, it's a scary statistic.

And I wonder at the medical community for shirking the obvious responsibility to be an advocate for their patient when they are confronted with the victims of these abuses.



That's my serious opinion. What is yours, everyone?

[_vega_]

I wish doctors would help these women by coming forward about their abuse but I understand the need to protect the confidentiality principle.

I think legislation on the crime is not enough when you have this type of behavior so integrated to society. There needs to be a big plan that includes education reforms and the media and the message should not just be in the physical abuse but there should be a plan to change the way women are seen by society. And this is not just needed in Colombia.