*Ledi*

From Yahoo!

This seriously makes me so sick. I really can't believe that some people say and actually believe that women are completely equal now. Obviously that isn't the case.

migamoo

I honestly cannot say that I'm surprised.

TheAngel

That's disgusting. As a young woman graduating college in two years, that's a very depressing statistic. I do plan on having a husband but as of right now I don't even plan on having children and if I do I want to adopt. I don't understand why I shouldn't be promoted when I have no intention of ever leaving work for a family or using my maternity leave. Especially if I'm just as, if not more so, qualified for the position.

Jacob1983

Where is affrimative action when you need it? LOL

Indian Summer

...How does affirmative action factor in? We're talking about women with jobs who make less, not women being turned down for jobs since they're not men...

Jacob1983

It was a joke. Jokes are things that people tell in an attempt to be funny. You're familar with them right?

If these women are so mad about their pay, why not hook up with the ACLU and sue. Isn't that what people do, when they feel they have been "disenfranchised"?

Affirmative action must not have helped those women if they didn't get their way.

One of my professors put it best when he said this yesterday. Sometimes, things in life ain't easy or fair. You just gotta keep yourself together and realize that you may not always get your way or that things will not always go your way.

Indian Summer

I'm familiar with them. It was the part about being funny that must've thrown me.

I have a really hard time believing your professor said that, Jacob. I'm not calling you a liar- I'm just saying I have a funny feeling your paraphrase is biased considering that's almost word for word what you say every few days.

I don't see how getting sue-happy will help the situation. They can't prove that the employers are holding them back because they think they'll leave to procreate- that's the issue here.

*Ledi*

Oh well, things don't go the way all women would want them to - it's OK. We should just deal, huh?

Jacob1983

Ledi, yes you should just deal with it. LOL (sarcasm)

If you are so mad and offended by this awful injustice that women have endured then why not get off the computer and go out and form a parade, protest, or both? Or why not start a petition or even go to Washington, D.C. if this problem is so horrible and awful?

But yeah if women are so ticked off about this then they should either do something political about it, try harder in the workplace, or just forget about it.

The people on Red Eye were talking about this last night. And they made some funny but interesting points on the issue. I think one of them said that the gap between genders might be because men are better negotiators than women when it comes to jobs. And they are more vocal. They also said that if there wasn't a gender gap in the workplace then the researchers wouldn't have jobs because there wouldn't be anything to research. LOL

Indiansummer, I will gladly take a polygraph for anything that I say on here that you don't believe. My professor tells us all the time that life isn't always fair, that you will get screwed, things won't always go your way or the way you hoped for, and that you just have to work your stuff out. He also tells a lot to stay safe and keep yourself together. I will also swear under oath in a court room confirming that my professor did say those things.

*Ledi*

First off, I live in Canada, so I have no desire to go protest in DC.

Secondly, if you read the article, you would understand that it's not about "working harder." Women who work just as well (or even better than) men still don't get paid as much as they do.

When we try harder, people like you start complaining that women should stop acting as if they're not equal yet because they have a lot of rights now.

Jacob1983

What do you mean by "people like you"? I better call up Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson and report you. LOL

Stuff like that happens around the world and in America all the times. Sometimes, you just gotta suck it up and try harder.

I hate the talk of women not being equal and that they get treated badly. That is bull crap. Women have as much if not more rights, benefits, and special treatment than men do. So don't be making this about the 1920s. That's history. Women aren't stuck in the kitchen or house anymore. Stop acting like they are. They aren't victims either.

Besides, could it be possible that most men are just better at the jobs that were involved this great outstanding very useful study?

Sometimes, a person is just better than you at something. Ya wanna know the big reason why that is? It's simple: they are just better than you at that certain thing. And no, it's not because they're getting special treatment or because they are a certain gender, age, religion, race, or sexual orientation. It's because they are possibly more talented than you, have more experience, and are more qualified.

You may think you're the best at something but trust me there is always someone better.

sunnykerr

That's certainly possible, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about when a man and a woman do the same job, the woman still gets paid 20% less than the man.

Which is interesting considering that there's all these studies going around about how there are more and more women in universities and how they tend to do better in university than men (as a group).

So they do better in school, more of them are in university, and yet their salary doesn't reflect that equity.

This may not be the 1920s anymore, but that's certainly a remnant of 1950s mentality.

Jacob1983

Just because you do well in high school or college does not mean you will be successful. That's just common sense. Having straight A's in high school and/or college is not going to give you a high paying job. In my opinion, you gotta earn it the hard way. That means no handouts. You gotta work your butt off and doing your best to get what you want or feel you deserve.


I have worked in places in which I got treated poorly and paid less than illegal immigrants and minorities mainly because I was a white male but you don't see me making a big deal about it. You will get screwed in life. Do you not know that?


Do you guys honestly think that life is a piece of cake and that nothing bad or unfortunate will happen to you? You really think that in life everyone will always get their way or what they want?

LMAO@America being like it was in the 1950s.
That might be one of the dumbest clueless things I've heard.

Affirmative action exists now to give handouts to minorities and women. It didn't exist back in the horrble awful 1950s.

I would say that women right now have it the best they have ever had in in American history. Isn't that something to be proud of?

I think a lot of women go to college because they feel they have to prove to men that they're equal or something. That's a dumb reason to go to college in my opinion but different strokes for different folks.
If women feel they have to prove themselves to men when it comes to equality, then I would say those women are very insecure and are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

So you do admit that it's possible that some men in America and around the world are better at certain jobs or fields than some women? And that it's not because that one group is getting special treatment?

I'll admit that there are probably millions of women and minorities that are better than me when it comes to work.

I think that's a big problem in our society. Sometimes, people can't just accept things and they also always love to dig for a reason why. There will always be someone better than you. It's just how life is. Life ain't fair nor easy. Accept it!

I will give you an example. If a white man gets paid more than a black man say at Morgan Stanley, then there will be a big hissy fit on how Morgan Stanley is racist. There is never any talk that the white person may be a better more talented and more experienced worker than the black man. It's always about race or gender when it comes to gaps in workplace pay. I think a lot of people just want to start stuff because it makes them feel better.

migamoo

No one is saying good grades equate high paying jobs. But Studies have shown that women have done better than men in education. Now, using that education and getting a job doing the same thing as a man, and still getting paid less, is not right. Two equally qualified people, no matter what sex they are, should be paid the same.


If you have concrete proof of that, than you could have sued the employer. And, please, don't give me that "but I can't afford a lawyer" speech, because lawyers would still take the case for a minimal fee and/or a percentage of the winnings.



First, there are still sentiments remnant of some 50s thought. Second, this has nothing to do with Affirmative action, so please don't make it about it.

Jacob1983

I will make it about affirmative action. If women are so fed with making less money than men then they need to hire affirmative action officers.


I hate to break this to you but no one is equally talented or qualified in the work place. There is always someone better. If everyone was equally talented and qualified in life, there would be no point and no meaning of the word that is work .

Besides, having everyone make the same amount of money sounds a lot like communism.

How do you know I would have won my case? If I lost the case, I would be up a creek.
And don't give me that "white men never suffer and always get special treatment". LOL

I believe that a lot of minorities and women have that attitude sometimes that white men have it good and never suffer in anything. I just get really ticked off at minorities and women who make everything about race and gender. Get over it. Not everything in life is about your color and/or private parts.